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'Little Eichmanns' prof to speak here (At University of Wisconsin-Whitewater on March 1)
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel ^ | 7 Feb 2005 | Meg Kissinger

Posted on 02/07/2005 3:29:27 PM PST by edfrank_1998

MONDAY, Feb. 7, 2005, 2:31 p.m. 'Little Eichmanns' prof to speak here

Ward Churchill, the University of Colorado professor whose remarks comparing the victims of the World Trade Center attacks to a World War II Nazi war criminal, is scheduled to speak at the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater on March 1, a university spokesman said. Churchill, chairman of Colorado's ethnic studies department, was invited to Whitewater by a group of Native American students.

Churchill was scheduled to speak last week at Hamilton College in upstate New York but administrators there cancelled the appearance, citing clear and present danger of violence.

His writing, titled, "Some People Push Back," describe the nearly 3,000 who died in the World Trade Center attacks as "Little Eichmanns," a reference to Adolph Eichmann, who helped Hitler with plans to exterminate Jews from Europe during World War II.

-By Meg Kissinger


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To: demecleze
The Indians fought us in even more nasty ways than we fought them, but that part of the history has been cleansed.

This isn't some racist genocide as Native American activists have portrayed it. The settlement of the American frontier was just another episode of the clash between a hunter/gatherer civilization, which requires huge amounts of land to support a small population, and agriculturalists, who support far larger numbers but limit the herds. This clash has been going on ever since domestic agriculture was invented in Mesopotamia thousands of years ago. The agriculturalists always win.

(Please, I know there were some Native American agriculturist tribes, but they occupied a very small part of the American landmass.)

41 posted on 02/07/2005 5:19:41 PM PST by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: colorado tanker
The Indians actually farmed quite extensively. Plus, the Indian farmers should have prevailed if your thesis were to be true(considering the time span they were there).

There is another more serious problem with your thesis, many places were converted from nomadic to farming but the people were still the same.

The Indians are gone from quite large population estimates. They are limited to reserves.

I did not state that the Indians did not fight just as bad or worse, in fact there is evidence that Caucasians were in North America (a 7000 year old skeleton has been found and there are stories of a red haired tribe). These Caucasians were wiped out.
42 posted on 02/07/2005 5:28:18 PM PST by demecleze
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To: demecleze

Here's another from his essay:

"Hence, it can be concluded that ravings carried by the "news" media since September 11 have contained at least one grain of truth: The peoples of the Mideast "aren't like" Americans, not least because they don't "value life' in the same way. By this, it should be understood that Middle-Easterners, unlike Americans, have no history of exterminating others purely for profit, or on the basis of racial animus. Thus, we can appreciate the fact that they value life – all lives, not just their own – far more highly than do their U.S. counterparts."

I've been to ogrish and viewed videos of beheadings. He's wrong about them valuing "all lives, not just their own - far more highly than do their U.S. counterparts."


43 posted on 02/07/2005 5:30:16 PM PST by edfrank_1998
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To: edfrank_1998
Yes he is wrong about much. Humans everywhere as groups wage war for profit. That is the point of war, to secure land, influence, trade, security or whatever.

No one fights a war with the goal of loosing something of value.

Plus the people there are very cruel and hard hearted. As evidenced by the dull knife beheadings. Hammarabi actually warns us of this in his law code.

I would say the US values life more than the middle east, but I think that we do value our enemies lives in about the same contempt.

My whole point of being annoying about this is that his essay points out a truth of our existence on this planet. That groups of humans struggle for dominance and that is the way it has to be.

We all resent it (yes even Bin Laden himself). Wish there could be peace, but we know our destiny lies in War. And we know not how to change it.

I am of the opinion that truth such as that should probably be left unsaid, and even when it is studied only in an academic setting. But this is at odds with my belief in free speech.

So I am perplexed.
44 posted on 02/07/2005 5:39:36 PM PST by demecleze
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To: demecleze
Most of your post doesn't make much sense. To European agriculturalists the land looked empty, they occupied it and farmed it.

The Native Americans have made an enormous mistake by staying on the reservations. The European-Americans made their own painful transition from an agricultural to an industrial and urban economy. This has been very painful for the rural areas that have lost population and whole towns as fewer farmers are needed. By staying on the reservations, the Native Americans place themselves in an economically untenable position - there's not enough work in those rural areas and never will be.

45 posted on 02/07/2005 5:43:20 PM PST by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: colorado tanker

Why wouldn't the land look empty to the Indian agriculturalists as well?

That is the main problem with your Thesis.


46 posted on 02/07/2005 5:49:13 PM PST by demecleze
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To: colorado tanker

"Most of your post doesn't make much sense."

Sorry. But some of the ancillary stuff that might have confused you is just too much work to explain properly.


47 posted on 02/07/2005 5:50:57 PM PST by demecleze
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To: AnAmericanMother

Aren't 90% of college students "native Americans"? Perhaps they should check and see whether any of these people are really Indians.


48 posted on 02/07/2005 5:53:06 PM PST by kittymyrib
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To: kittymyrib
;-)

Me too.

49 posted on 02/07/2005 6:08:45 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: demecleze

You said:

"My whole point of being annoying about this is that his essay points out a truth of our existence on this planet. That groups of humans struggle for dominance and that is the way it has to be."

That's the nature of the beast at any level. I think the difference is our "dominance" is a dominance that permits an individual to think or do pretty much what he wants (within societal limits established as laws). Opportunity dominance, if you will. Other systems of government and society don't like or want that (see WWII and Hitler or any number of current demagogues).

Our republic is different. In a sense, our message is "Knock off the foolishness and let's make some money." And the individual has an opportunity to share in that.

Groups struggling for dominance within our republic could be call political parties, among others. We manage to hold our elections without warfare, for the most part. And we don't impose our system on others without provocation or reason. We left governments in Europe pretty much the way they were after WWII (active monarchies remained and republics like Germany restored). We didn't arbitrarily impose our system on everyone. I don't think Churchill would make that distinction.


50 posted on 02/07/2005 6:12:25 PM PST by edfrank_1998
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To: edfrank_1998
No. I think he is clearly in opposition to the US in many ways.

But he does work within the system and shows us the other side of the coin. From his writing I don't think he hates America but he does seem to think there are some serious problems yet to address. He is also not an entirely stupid man.

I just don't get the traitor vibe off his writing(like I do with Moore for instance) or the man himself. He is not trying to manipulate people, he has just put his thoughts out on the table.

It is not for political gain as he will catch heck from left and right of the spectrum for his remarks.

I just can't quite label him as an enemy at this point I guess.
51 posted on 02/07/2005 6:32:06 PM PST by demecleze
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To: demecleze

I don't think he's out for political gain, I think he's just trying to cash in. He's a tenured professor (granted he just resigned his department chair and dropped about $20k in salary) but still pulls in a good buck and is active as a speaker. And he doesn't do that for free. There's a contact point at the link below where you can find out his speaking fee. Note that he promotes himself as a member of the Keetoowah Band Cherokee. This contrasts greatly with that 1993 letter.

I don't know about labeling him a traitor or enemy, I'd call him more of an academic "Howard Stern." That's what keeps him in the news and those speaking fees rolling in.

A form of "opportunity dominance," if you will.

found at: http://www.speakersandartists.org/People/WardChurchill.html

Ward Churchill
From a Native Son: Conquest and Colonization in the Americas

Ward Churchill (Keetoowah Band Cherokee) is one of the most outspoken of Native American activists and scholars in North America and a leading analyst of indigenous issues. He is a Professor of Ethnic Studies and Coordinator of American Indian Studies at the University of Colorado. Churchill serves as Associate Director of the Center for Studies of Ethnicity and Race in America at the institution. He is also co-director of the Colorado chapter of the American Indian Movement and vice chair of the American Indian Anti-Defamation Council.

Churchill’s many books include Marxism and Native Americans, Fantasies of the Master Race, Struggle for the Land, On the Justice of Roosting Chickens, From A Native Son, Critical Issues in Native North America, The COINTELPRO Papers, Indians R Us?, Agents of Repression, Since Predator Came, and A Little Matter of Genocide: Holocaust and Denial in the Americas.

In his lectures and numerous published works, Churchill explores the themes of genocide in the Americas, racism, historical and legal (re)interpretation of conquest and colonization, environmental destruction of Indian lands, government repression of political movements, literary and cinematic criticism, and indigenist alternatives to the status quo.

Churchill is also a past national spokesperson for the Leonard Peltier Defense Committee, has served as a delegate to the United Nations Working Group on Indigenous Populations (as a Justice/Rapporteur for the for the 1993 International People's Tribunal on the Rights of Indigenous Hawaiians), and as an advocate/prosecutor of the First Nations International Tribunal for the Chiefs of Ontario.


Topics

Media
Multiculturalism
Native Americans
Police Brutality, Abuses
Political Prisoners
Covert Operations, CIA, FBI
Racism
Environment
U.S. History
Film & Video
History of the Americas
Human Rights
Engagements

Eastern Washington University, Cheney, WA Apr. 5, 2005






Please contact Speak Out for more complete biographies,
publicity packets and information on costs and availability.


52 posted on 02/07/2005 6:48:51 PM PST by edfrank_1998
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To: demecleze

And a current message from AIM:

found at: http://www.aimovement.org/moipr/churchill05.html

AMERICAN INDIAN MOVEMENT GRAND GOVERNING COUNCIL


MINISTRY FOR INFORMATION
P.O. Box 13521
Minneapolis MN 55414
612/ 721-3914 . fax 612/ 721-7826
Email: aimggc@worldnet.att.net
Web Address: www.aimovement.org







Ward Churchill was scheduled to speak at Hamilton College in Clinton, New York on February 3, 2005. His appearance was canceled by the college after he caused a public furor over his loathsome remarks about the 9-11 tragedy in New York. AIM's Grand Governing Council has been dealing with Churchill's hateful attitude and rip-off of Indian people for years.







The American Indian Movement Grand Governing Council representing the National and International leadership of the American Indian Movement once again is vehemently and emphatically repudiating and condemning the outrageous statements made by academic literary and Indian fraud, Ward Churchill in relationship to the 9-11 tragedy in New York City that claimed thousands of innocent people’s lives.

Churchill’s statement that these people deserved what happened to them, and calling them little Eichmanns, comparing them to Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann, who implemented Adolf Hitler’s plan to exterminate European Jews and others, should be condemned by all.

The sorry part of this is Ward Churchill has fraudulently represented himself as an Indian, and a member of the American Indian Movement, a situation that has lifted him into the position of a lecturer on Indian activism. He has used the American Indian Movement’s chapter in Denver to attack the leadership of the official American Indian Movement with his misinformation and propaganda campaigns.

Ward Churchill has been masquerading as an Indian for years behind his dark glasses and beaded headband. He waves around an honorary membership card that at one time was issued to anyone by the Keetoowah Tribe of Oklahoma. Former President Bill Clinton and many others received these cards, but these cards do not qualify the holder a member of any tribe. He has deceitfully and treacherously fooled innocent and naïve Indian community members in Denver, Colorado, as well as many other people worldwide. Churchill does not represent, nor does he speak on behalf of the American Indian Movement.

New York’s Hamilton College Kirklands Project should be aware that in their search for truth and justice, the idea that they have hired a fraud to speak on Indian activism is in itself a betrayal of their goals.

Dennis J. Banks, Ojibwa Nation
Chairman of the Board
American Indian Movement
Phone: 218-654-5885


Nee Gon Nway Wee Dung, aka, Clyde H. Bellecourt, Ojibwa Nation
National Executive Director
American Indian Movement
Cell: 612-251-5836
Office: 612-724-3129


Press Contact:
WaBun-Inini, aka, Vernon Bellecourt, Ojibwa Nation
Executive Committee Member
Director Council on Foreign Relations
American Indian Movement
Office: 612-721-3914
Cell: 612-889-0796


See the following:

Us vs AIM

Us vs AIM Backgound

Indian Country Today: Editors' Report

Keetoowah Tribe Response

The Public's Response

Churchill Cartoon

For more information regarding Churchill’s fraudulent enrollment:

United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians of Oklahoma
Enrollment officer: 918-431-0385 or 918-456-8698



53 posted on 02/07/2005 6:52:47 PM PST by edfrank_1998
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To: edfrank_1998
Hope he leaves his suntan lotion at home.


54 posted on 02/07/2005 6:52:51 PM PST by reagan_fanatic ("Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence" - R. Kirk)
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To: edfrank_1998

This guy must be gay its the only way to explain such lunacy.


55 posted on 02/07/2005 6:54:41 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: demecleze

He was to get $3,000 for speaking at Eastern Washington University (since cancelled, see link below). Plus whatever he'd get from book and cd sales at the event (he's got plenty of those). I'm getting more and more convinced that he's about the money.

found at: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/aplocal_story.asp?category=6420&slug=WA%20Speaker%20Canceled


56 posted on 02/07/2005 7:18:50 PM PST by edfrank_1998
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To: demecleze

I read your entire reply and got the same opinion based on your statement.
The scary part is not that this um.. (gentleman) has this opinion. What is scary is that he is using his influence (read authority) to mold young minds.
When the American Indians fought back they didnt do so nicely. They attacked women and children and promoted genocide. War is sad on any side. This is not war it is eradicating murders and criminals who use victems to hide behind.
I was born here and so am a NATIVE American, and a veteran and a family man, and a Christian.
Incase WARD reads this and would care for a pop in the snoot, it could be arranged.
American and Damn proud of it!


57 posted on 02/07/2005 9:19:23 PM PST by moffrobb
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To: demecleze
I actually think we should stop messing around and fight a total war, wiping them off the planet.

Wiping them off the planet? That's the second moronic thing you've said. Of course not all Muslims are a threat to the United States and even those with an ounce of common sense know you don't wage war on the innocent. It would appear you fit the Eichmann moniker as much as Eichmann himself.

I don't know if the Genocide was systematic but blah, blah, blah...

That's what the Eichmann metaphor means, and that's how you recklessly and immaturely implied it. When you take world history in high school you'll learn about such things. Mean time you probably should sick around DU...it's more your speed.

58 posted on 02/08/2005 8:24:41 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Perhaps you should review the rules for the forums.

Regardless, if you continue to insult me with personal insults I will report you.

As far as my level of education. Although it should not be of any consequence in a free form blog like this, I should take the time to inform you that I am a biophysics pH.D student. With a chemistry degree and a minor in history. I also teach 3rd year molecular biology.

And I will reiterate my point: The Muslim culture has been and will continue to be the antithesis of western culture and I am not of the opinion that they are compatible in any way shape or form.

It is my assertion that we are seeing the results of this proposed incompatibility in our present difficulties.

My thesis is borne out by events like the fall of Constantinople, the Crusades and the large battle in Austria that occurred during the Muslim expansion. Have you heard of the Janissaries? In addition, the 'powder-keg' that is the Balkans can also be traced back to muslim-western conflict.

As far as the Eichmann equivocation (I do acknowledge it as such), I believe that from the perspective of Muslims and this wayward professor justify the actions of terrorists with that argument. The professor equates the innocent people of our society to the innocent Germans bombed in WWII. From our enemies perspective this comparison is a valid one, as they view our actions as reprehensible as we did(still do) the Germans.

And yes I know he was the train man, a genius really in organization and planning in a complex system that was being disrupted regularly.

In my opinion, the belief of a people or a person that there is only one truth/reality is at odds with the idea that there are only different perspectives on the same reality. It would seem paramount, even using simple logic, that acknowledging and understanding the perspective of other people is key to freedom, peace and even victory in war.

I believe that this professor gives us a glimpse of that perspective.
59 posted on 02/09/2005 8:48:25 PM PST by demecleze
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