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CIA renditions of terror suspects 'out of control:' report-Boiling prisoner suspects' body parts
Yahoo News, Agency France Presse- Later The New Yorker. ^ | FEB 6 2005 | AFP

Posted on 02/08/2005 10:48:57 PM PST by ainitfunny

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Yahoo! News News Home - Help AFP CIA renditions of terror suspects are 'out of control:' report

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WASHINGTON (AFP) - The Central Intelligence Agency (news - web sites)'s 'rendition' of suspected terrorists has spiralled 'out of control' according to a former FBI (news - web sites) agent, cited in a report which examined how CIA (news - web sites) detainees are spirited to states suspected of using torture.

Michael Scheuer a former CIA counterterrorism agent told The New Yorker magazine "all we've done is create a nightmare," with regard to the top secret practice of renditions.

In an article titled 'Outsourcing Torture' due to hit newsstands this week, the magazine claims suspects, sometimes picked up by the CIA, are often flown to Egypt, Morocco, Syria and Jordan, "each of which is known to use torture in interrogations."

The report said suspects are given few, if any, legal protections.

Despite US laws that ban America from expelling or extraditing individuals to countries where torture occurs, Scott Horton -- an expert on international law who has examined CIA renditions -- estimates that 150 people have been picked up in the CIA dragnet since 2001.

The New Yorker report said that suspects in Europe, Africa, Asia and the Middle East "have been abducted by hooded or masked American agents" and then sometimes forced onto a white Gulfstream V jet.

The jet -- marked on its tail by the code N379P which has recently been changed to N8068V -- "has been registered to a series of dummy American corporations ... (and) has clearance to land at US military bases," it said.

Maher Arar was arrested in 2002 by US officials at John F. Kennedy airport and then claims he was put on a "executive jet" which flew him to Amman, Jordan, before he was driven to Syria.

Arar says he was tortured in Syria and told his interrogators anything they wanted due to the beatings He was released without charge in 2003 and is suing the US government for his mistreatment.

He claims that the crew onboard the Gulfstream identified themselves as "the Special Removal Unit" during radio communications on his flight to Jordan.

"The most common destinations for rendered suspects are Egypt, Morocco, Syria and Jordan, all of which have been cited for human rights violations by the (US) State Department," the report said.

By holding detainees without counsel or charges of wrongdoing, the administration of US President George W. Bush (news - web sites) "has jeopardized its chances of convicting hundreds of suspected terrorists, or even of using them as witnesses in almost any court in the world," the report said.

The article cited Dan Coleman, an ex Federal Bureau of Investigation counterterrorism expert who retired in July 2003.

Coleman told The New Yorker that torture "has become bureaucratized," by the Bush administration, and that the practice of renditions is "out of control."

Scheuer said there had been a legal process underlying early renditions, but as more suspects were rounded up following the September 11, 2001, attacks, "all we've done is create a nightmare."

Abductees are effectively classified as "illegal enemy combatants," by the US government, which is how it also classifies the estimated 550 'war on terror' detainees held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Such a classifiction, the US argues, exempts such detainees from the protections of the Geneva Conventions, part of which govern the treatment of prisoners.

The report also cited the former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan, Craig Murray, as saying Washington has accepted intelligence from Uzkbekistan that was "largely rubbish."

[B]The ambassador claims to know of at least three individuals rendered to Uzbekistan by the United States, where cases of the authorities boiling prisoners' body parts have been documented.[/B]

Washington has admitted it is holding some suspects, including top Al-Qaeda operative Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, but it does not say where he is detained.

Mohammed has reportedly been "water boarded" during interrogations: So called 'water boarding' refers to a practice whereby a detainee is bound and immersed in water until he nearly drowns.

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1 posted on 02/08/2005 10:48:57 PM PST by ainitfunny
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To: ainitfunny
The ambassador claims to know of at least three individuals rendered to Uzbekistan by the United States, where cases of the authorities boiling prisoners' body parts have been documented

Mmmmm... Forbidden Broth...

2 posted on 02/08/2005 10:54:44 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Celibacy is a hands-on job.)
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To: ainitfunny
He claims that the crew onboard the Gulfstream identified themselves as "the Special Removal Unit" during radio communications on his flight to Jordan.

Bull.........

3 posted on 02/08/2005 10:57:18 PM PST by Doofer
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To: ainitfunny
The "no torture" bill going through congress has one very important goal, as descibed by what's-her-name on O'Reilly tonight--once you cut through all the justifications, it's to say that the President is the one responsible for torture being used on a suspect. It's about "accountability"--something that's never a question elsewhere in the government, or in terms of terrotist nations, only in our "torture" of suspect. What is means is that in any cases of torture found from now on, the one who's finally responsible is President Bush.

This story may or may not have legs, but at some point we will see Pelosi and Reid calling for an investigation of torture which will lead to the President.

4 posted on 02/08/2005 11:00:54 PM PST by Darkwolf377 ("Of the four wars in my lifetime none came about because the U.S. was too strong."-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Doofer

sounds like the report is a wet dream and nothing more.


5 posted on 02/08/2005 11:01:36 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn
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To: ainitfunny
"Despite US laws that ban America from expelling or extraditing individuals to countries where torture occurs, Scott Horton -- an expert on international law who has examined CIA renditions -- estimates that 150 people have been picked up in the CIA dragnet since 2001."

Scuze me, but handing a Saudi someone picked up in Iraq back to the Saudis is not Extradition, nor is it covered by such policy. The policy only applies if we grab him here in the US.

Just another twisting of the truth by the liberal press.

6 posted on 02/08/2005 11:04:37 PM PST by konaice
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To: ainitfunny

This is too good to be true. But coming from the dark side, I have my doubts. :O)


7 posted on 02/08/2005 11:07:04 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (This just in from CBS: "There is no bias at CBS")
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To: ainitfunny
Old Story:

Gulfstream N379P becomes N8068V: the price of carelessness with flight logs, or notoriety, or just business practice - Gordon Housworth 11/14/2004

Cool Jet:


8 posted on 02/08/2005 11:07:17 PM PST by Between the Lines ("Christianity is not a religion; it is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.")
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To: ainitfunny
"Maher Arar was arrested in 2002 by US officials at John F. Kennedy airport and then claims he was put on a "executive jet" which flew him to Amman, Jordan, before he was driven to Syria."

I'm sure Syria is giving us a helping hand. They really like helping us every chance they get.

9 posted on 02/08/2005 11:07:38 PM PST by cibco (Xin Loi... Saddam)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

If 150 "abductees" is "out of control" to this reporter, then what was September 11th?


10 posted on 02/08/2005 11:12:32 PM PST by i get it
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To: i get it

An accident?


11 posted on 02/08/2005 11:12:51 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Celibacy is a hands-on job.)
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To: ainitfunny

"the Special Removal Unit"

Sounds like the Mossad.


12 posted on 02/08/2005 11:15:52 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (NEW AND IMPROVED TAGLINE!)
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To: ainitfunny
Washington has admitted it is holding some suspects, including top Al-Qaeda operative Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, but it does not say where he is detained.

I picture Khalid's unit being boiled! Gotta love it.


Jeremy?
13 posted on 02/08/2005 11:16:01 PM PST by Pro-Bush (Can't afford Medical care? Thank an illegal alien.)
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To: ainitfunny

"My give a dam is busted".


14 posted on 02/08/2005 11:17:23 PM PST by datura (Destroy The UN, the MSM, and China. The rest will fall into line once we get rid of these.)
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To: cibco
I'm sure Syria is giving us a helping hand. They really like helping us every chance they get.

Yea .. I wondered about that part myself

BTW .. isn't Syria one of the countries sending the "insurgents" to Iraq?

15 posted on 02/08/2005 11:20:54 PM PST by Mo1 (Question to Liberals .. When did supporting and defending Freedom become a bad thing??)
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To: ainitfunny
Scheuer said there had been a legal process underlying early renditions, but as more suspects were rounded up following the September 11, 2001, attacks, "all we've done is create a nightmare."

Where's the nightmare?? 550 POW's at Gitmo and another 150 "rendered" elsewhere. We're talking peanuts here. I think Scheuer is trying to capture a few minutes of fame. These are enemy troops out of uniform and should be shot after we extract all their information.

17 posted on 02/08/2005 11:24:40 PM PST by kimosabe31
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To: Jeff Chandler

We should have a "Unit Removal Unit" for terrorists.


18 posted on 02/08/2005 11:24:54 PM PST by HAL9000 (Skype me at "FreeRepublic")
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To: ainitfunny
...and then sometimes forced onto a white Gulfstream V jet.

Sweet.

19 posted on 02/08/2005 11:36:51 PM PST by Prince Caspian (Don't ask if it's risky... Ask if the reward is worth the risk)
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To: ainitfunny
By holding detainees without counsel or charges of wrongdoing, the administration of US President George W. Bush (news - web sites) "has jeopardized its chances of convicting hundreds of suspected terrorists, or even of using them as witnesses in almost any court in the world," the report said.

I suppose it never crossed the writer's mind that this administration is less interested in bringing terrorists before a judge than it is in GETTING THE REQUISITE INFO for finding as many of them as we can, and KILLING THEM.

20 posted on 02/08/2005 11:41:22 PM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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