Yep!Bye, ainitfunny.
"He/she/it's dead, Jim!"
Posted on 02/08/2005 10:48:57 PM PST by ainitfunny
Book them a flight on that mysterious gulf stream. I for one hope the story is true. I hope people with no names working for agencies that don't exist are busy dealing with these scumbags in ways that I couldn't even dream up and if we don't have the stomach for it, let the Egyptians do it for us.
ainitfunny is history.
"The wheels of justice grind slowly but they grind exceeding fine."
Total fabrication made up by someone who has no clue what he is talking about. Moral issues aside, torture is the worst way to get information. The best way is to develop a relationship with the individual and then key in on what motivates him. Information obtained through torture is totally unreliable. This story is classic "axe to grind" sourcing.
Sounds good to me Sam.
Where do you start with this cr@pola?
Yep!Bye, ainitfunny.
"He/she/it's dead, Jim!"
I don't doubt this story. I recall an interview just after the AbuGrieb flap erupted. They were asking a former spook about what sort of methods were used for extracting information. One of the tactics that was cited, was that they would blindfold the prisoner, fly him around in circles for awhile, then land at the same place they left from. They would then take the prisoner into a room where there would be US officials dressed as whichever country they wanted the prisoner to think they had flown him to, complete with flags of the "host" country and such. The whole purpose was to lend credibilty to threats of torture by making the prisoner believe he was in a country that actually allowed torture tactics. All this and they didn't even have to jolt him once. The psy-ops guys are tricky, eh?
sounds like a plan.
a very good plan. ship them back to countries that understand the mid-eastern mind set and "rendition" .
Thanks for the update!
It was because of the counter-terrorism restrictions imposed during the Carter and Clinton administrations that we're in the situation now. Carter made sure the intelligence communities couldn't take to each other. Then Clinton made sure that during counter-terrorism "investigations" the agents couldn't talk to "dirty people". (I'm somewhat paraphrasing)
I know this from personal experience ...
I would believe that...
My thoughts as well. ;)
I believe you. Our intelligence capability, especially humint, was gutted and left to rot.
Good Lord. This was going the rounds a month ago. Mysterious jet tied to torture flights It must not have gotten enough traction so they'll bring it back.
So we're outsourcing torture?
Stifle yourself junior.
Despite US laws that ban America from expelling or extraditing individuals to countries where torture occurs
Expelling or extraditing? If they were picked up outside the U.S. they have not been expelled, or extradited.
By holding detainees without counsel or charges of wrongdoing, the administration of US President George W. Bush (news - web sites) "has jeopardized its chances of convicting hundreds of suspected terrorists, or even of using them as witnesses in almost any court in the world," the report said.
I don't want to try them, or their colleagues. I want a team of guys in ninja suits to kick in their doors and double tap them in the head. This is war, not a criminal investigation.
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