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CIA CONSPIRACY THEORIST
The Daily Standard ^ | February 16, 2005 | Thomas Joscelyn

Posted on 02/16/2005 6:14:19 AM PST by sinanju

"...According to Scheuer, the tiny nation of Israel is not a valuable ally in the Middle East, but instead the author of a vast conspiracy to hijack the direction of American foreign policy. Scheuer explained to the CFR crowd that Israel dictates the course of its relationship with the United States. He explained, "we can no longer afford to be seen as the dog that's led by the tail." Scheuer further warned, "I don't think we can afford to be led around, or at least appear to be led around by them."

So, not only has Israel "covertly" targeted the U.S. Congress, used the Holocaust Museum to make Americans "feel guilty," controlled the "the extent and even the occurrence of an important portion of political discourse [in the U.S.]," but it has also made it exceedingly "dangerous" for Scheuer to discuss this grand scheme.

In offering his appraisal of Israel's clandestine activities, Scheuer told the CFR audience that he wished "our clandestine service could do as well." Indeed, reforming this nation's clandestine service is a top priority for the new director of Central Intelligence, Porter Goss. But as Goss moves forward with his reformation of the CIA, perhaps we can get a better understanding of the challenges he faces by remembering Scheuer's views on the U.S.-Israeli relationship. If his opinions are widely held by other members of the CIA, then Goss has more work to do than any of us previously imagined."

(Excerpt) Read more at weeklystandard.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anonymous; cia; conspiracy; hubris; imperial; imperialhubris; jewish; michaelscheuer; scheuer; sympathizer
I would call the man an anti-semite but I don't think that begins to do him justice. He's plain nuts. I have seen and read other interviews and he sometimes contradicts himself in the course of a single sentence. If the agency bigwigs who sent him forth really thought he could change enough minds to affect the election then they are as dumb as they are corrupt.

You really ought to see some of the photos and interviews of this man. He has that Marshall Herf Applewhite psychotic stare.

1 posted on 02/16/2005 6:14:19 AM PST by sinanju
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To: sinanju

Israel may very well be the only remaining true ally that we have in this screwed up world.


2 posted on 02/16/2005 6:15:16 AM PST by standupfortruth
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To: standupfortruth

And we are their only ally.....and it better stay that way for our sake.


3 posted on 02/16/2005 6:28:11 AM PST by TexasTaysor
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To: sinanju

This Scheuer guys pretty much lost his marbles huh?


4 posted on 02/16/2005 6:29:43 AM PST by nuffsenuff
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To: sinanju
How does somebody get a job where you can just say any stupid thing, and not only will people pay attention to you, but they'll actually pay you well for it? Ward Churchill, this guy, Noam Chomsky... the list goes on of nut-cases who are obviously wrong, but get money and a following anyway.
5 posted on 02/16/2005 6:31:48 AM PST by wolfpat (Dum vivimus, vivamus)
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To: TexasTaysor
Amen

I've heard this "theory" before - from some very screwy in the head folk - they're worse than the little green men people

6 posted on 02/16/2005 6:34:13 AM PST by maine-iac7 (...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time - LINCOLN)
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To: sinanju

It wouldn't surprise me if Scheuer was on the Moslem payroll in order to drive a wedge between the U.S. and Isreal. This is an old trick that they have repeatedly used, as recently as several days ago when they blamed Isreal for blowing up the former Lebanese Prime Minister.


7 posted on 02/16/2005 6:34:38 AM PST by infocats
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To: sinanju

Don't tread on Isreal, unless one like walking around on nubs.


8 posted on 02/16/2005 6:36:50 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: sinanju
Scheuer needs professional help and vast quantities of medicine...he is wacko. Wonder how many more CIA wackos are bouncing around, ready to go off at any time!
9 posted on 02/16/2005 7:02:38 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero)
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To: sinanju
I would call the man an anti-semite but I don't think that begins to do him justice.

What do you find anti-Semitic about him?

...he sometimes contradicts himself in the course of a single sentence.

Examples?

10 posted on 02/16/2005 7:14:15 AM PST by secretagent
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To: sinanju
I have seen and read other interviews and he sometimes contradicts himself in the course of a single sentence.

And I thought it was just me.

Like you I've seen and read Scheuer multiple times, and I can't makes heads or tails of his positions. He is extremely contradictory and a very shoddy thinker.

On this single topic of Israel he does seem to whine a lot. Guess he hasn't realized that Israel is our only real strategic and democratic ally in the Middle East, and is worth protecting.

If this is the way the guy thinks and speaks, its no wonder that he was in charge of the OBL task force at CIA for 6 years, and that nothing happened.

11 posted on 02/16/2005 7:21:13 AM PST by angkor
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To: wolfpat
you can just say any stupid thing, and not only will people pay attention to you

He showed up at the big Terrorism conference in DC a few weeks back, and they stood in awe of him. But it must have been due to his undue celebrity, because (as usual) nothing he said or asked made any sense whatsoever.

The guy is a geek showboater. He should get a real job.

12 posted on 02/16/2005 7:24:07 AM PST by angkor
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To: secretagent; sinanju
Examples?

One doesn't normally try to remember nonsensical utterances. But I can attest and do second that Scheuer is in the habit of saying things that don't "hang together" very well.

I will assert that *every* time I've seen him, without exception, I listen and try to understand what his actual and fundamental point or position might be, but come up empty.

In fact I've seriously wondered whether he has some sort of disconnect between his cognitive and speech faculties. Really, he's that bad.

13 posted on 02/16/2005 7:31:57 AM PST by angkor
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To: sinanju

I predict that one of these days, Scheuer will be found dead in bed with Scott Ritter.


14 posted on 02/16/2005 7:32:11 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: standupfortruth
Israel may very well be the only remaining true ally that we have in this screwed up world

Hey Dude! A big hug from Downunda - don't forget your little Aussie Mates.

Mel

15 posted on 02/16/2005 7:32:16 AM PST by melsec (No other Name!)
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To: melsec

Of course we can't forget you guys, or the Brits right now. It's just that there is a special connection between the US and Israel, that doesn't mean we don't have other true allies.


16 posted on 02/16/2005 7:42:18 AM PST by TexasTaysor
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To: standupfortruth

Only as long as we keep funneling tons of cash and equipment to them.


17 posted on 02/16/2005 7:44:57 AM PST by clearsight
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To: maine-iac7

And you have seen and spoken to these little green men ????? Ahem..........done an evaluation Eh....???? Have you picked up the new Aluminum hats at the mother ship yet??????


18 posted on 02/16/2005 7:47:43 AM PST by clearsight
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To: sinanju
>"MICHAEL SCHEUER has uncovered "the most successful covert action program in the history of man." Or, at least that's what he told an audience at Council on Foreign Relations in New York City on February 3. The CIA's former bin Laden-hunter-turned-public-persona is the widely cited author of a scathing critique of the Bush administration's war on terror, Imperial Hubris. Since his resignation from "the Agency" in November 2004, he has become best known for his view that the West is really losing the war on terror. Perhaps he should also be known for his work uncovering conspiracies."

It's hard to believe
it's become acceptable
to make such a speech!



19 posted on 02/16/2005 7:49:57 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: angkor


I think the following explains how this guy got where he is today.

What makes 100%
What Makes 100%? What does it mean to give MORE than 100%? Ever wonder about those people who say they are giving more than 100%? We have all been to those meetings where someone wants you to give over 100%. How about achieving 103%? What makes up 100% in life?

Here's a little mathematical formula that might help you answer these questions:

If:
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z

is represented as:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26.

Then:

H-A-R-D-W-O-R-K
8+1+18+4+23+15+18+11 = 98%



and


K-N-O-W-L-E-D-G-E
11+14+15+23+12+5+4+7+5 = 96%

But,

A-T-T-I-T-U-D-E
1+20+20+9+20+21+4+5 = 100%

And,

B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T
2+21+12+12+19+8+9+20 = 103%

AND, look how far ass kissing will take you.

A-S-S-K-I-S-S-I-N-G
1+19+19+11+9+19+19+9+14+7 = 118%

So, one can conclude with mathematical certainty that While Hard work and Knowledge will get you close, and Attitude will get you there, it's the BullshiT and Ass kissing that will put you over the top
20 posted on 02/16/2005 9:01:52 AM PST by clearsight
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To: standupfortruth

Israel may very well be the only remaining true ally that we have in this screwed up world.


We don't have allies, we have dependents.............


21 posted on 02/16/2005 9:06:15 AM PST by WhiteGuy ("a taxpayer dollar must be spent wisely, or not at all" - GW BUSH)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
22 posted on 02/16/2005 9:41:54 AM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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To: melsec
Hey Dude! A big hug from Downunda - don't forget your little Aussie Mates.

A millions mea culpas from this red-faced Yank! You folks are great...and thank you for that.

23 posted on 02/16/2005 9:52:51 AM PST by standupfortruth
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To: Berosus; blam; Ernest_at_the_Beach; FairOpinion; ValerieUSA
Ping!

(that's the sound of some rivets comin' loose in the guy's brain.
24 posted on 02/16/2005 10:01:15 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Ted "Kids, I Sunk the Honey" Kennedy is just a drunk who's never held a job (or had to).)
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To: standupfortruth

Yeah, but too bad they keep bringing up releasing Pollard.


25 posted on 02/16/2005 10:12:48 AM PST by StolarStorm
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To: clearsight
LOGLOFLHHO

(Little ole granny laying on the floor laughing her hiney off)

26 posted on 02/16/2005 10:52:37 AM PST by maine-iac7 (...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time - LINCOLN)
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To: sinanju; angkor; secretagent; MissAmericanPie; nuffsenuff; Steve_Seattle; melsec; clearsight; ...
Do we have to excerpt articles from the weeklystandard.com?

Examples? His book, "Imperial Hubris", has many. One that bothered me was his statement that most of the Jewish terrorism experts were just "shills for the State of Israel", therefore we must discount everything they say. This is coming from one of the top men at the CIA -- who would have been expected and required to work closely with Israeli anti-terror intelligence.

I've OCR'd dozens of pages of "Imperial Hubris" and I'm in the process of checking line-by-line for errors and converting to HTML. I'll ping you when it's ready and we can discuss it.

Here's some previous discussions:

Ex-CIA Man Uncovers Jewish Conspiracy!

The "Cranks" at the CIA

CIA renditions of terror suspects 'out of control:' report-Boiling prisoner suspects' body parts

An Interview With Anonymous - Author of "Imperial Hubris"

Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror

The Worst Idea

Why I Resigned From the CIA / The agency did its job, but higher-ups endangered the nation.

Bin Laden not 'admirable' (Why the CIA needed a total house-cleaning)

The Evidence Scheuer Ignored


27 posted on 02/16/2005 11:00:52 AM PST by JohnathanRGalt (---- Fight Islamist CyberTerror at: http://haganah.org.il/haganah/ ----)
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To: sinanju; angkor; secretagent; MissAmericanPie; nuffsenuff; Steve_Seattle; melsec; clearsight; ...
Do we have to excerpt articles from the weeklystandard.com?

Examples? His book, "Imperial Hubris", has many. One that bothered me was his statement that most of the Jewish terrorism experts were just "shills for the State of Israel", therefore we must discount everything they say. This is coming from one of the top men at the CIA -- who would have been expected and required to work closely with Israeli anti-terror intelligence.

I've OCR'd dozens of pages of "Imperial Hubris" and I'm in the process of checking line-by-line for errors and converting to HTML. I'll ping you when it's ready and we can discuss it.

Here's some previous discussions:

Ex-CIA Man Uncovers Jewish Conspiracy!

The "Cranks" at the CIA

CIA renditions of terror suspects 'out of control:' report-Boiling prisoner suspects' body parts

An Interview With Anonymous - Author of "Imperial Hubris"

Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror

The Worst Idea

Why I Resigned From the CIA / The agency did its job, but higher-ups endangered the nation.

Bin Laden not 'admirable' (Why the CIA needed a total house-cleaning)

The Evidence Scheuer Ignored


28 posted on 02/16/2005 11:00:55 AM PST by JohnathanRGalt (---- Fight Islamist CyberTerror at: http://haganah.org.il/haganah/ ----)
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To: JohnathanRGalt

(sorry, I accidentally clicked twice)


29 posted on 02/16/2005 11:01:58 AM PST by JohnathanRGalt (---- Fight Islamist CyberTerror at: http://haganah.org.il/haganah/ ----)
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To: iopscusa; nuffsenuff
nuffsenuff: This Scheuer guys pretty much lost his marbles huh?

iopscusa: Scheuer needs professional help and vast quantities of medicine...he is wacko. Wonder how many more CIA wackos are bouncing around, ready to go off at any time!

I know of at least one other:

AB "Buzzy" Krongard, the CIA’s third most senior executive until Dec. 2004 -- has also gone on record saying he viewed Bin Laden "not as a chief executive but more like a venture capitalist", That Bin Laden has "turned into more of a charismatic leader than a terrorist mastermind", and that America should just:
Let Bin Laden stay free, says CIA man
Times OnLine (UK) ^ | January 09, 2005 | Tony Allen-Mills
Posted on 01/08/2005 5:36:28 PM PST by Jim Robinson

30 posted on 02/16/2005 11:51:03 AM PST by JohnathanRGalt (---- Fight Islamist CyberTerror at: http://haganah.org.il/haganah/ ----)
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To: angkor

"In fact I've seriously wondered whether he has some sort of disconnect between his cognitive and speech faculties. Really, he's that bad."

Otherwise known as brain damage.


31 posted on 02/16/2005 12:03:01 PM PST by Esther Ruth
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To: clearsight

Bravo!!!


32 posted on 02/16/2005 12:03:56 PM PST by investigateworld (Babies= A sure sign He hasn't given up on mankind!)
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To: wolfpat
Noam Chomsky... the list goes on

Noam Chomsky's one claim to fame, IIRC "Comparative Lingusitics" is just as made up as Ward Churchill's "scholarship", with no empirical verification. Another slick-talking snake oil salesman.

33 posted on 02/16/2005 12:08:49 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Deadcheck the embeds first.)
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To: angkor

Thanks.


34 posted on 02/16/2005 4:00:35 PM PST by secretagent
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Thanks for the links and looking forward to your "Imperial Hubris" discussion.

One that bothered me was his statement that most of the Jewish terrorism experts were just "shills for the State of Israel", therefore we must discount everything they say.

Interesting, but I was looking for antisemitic (more precisely, anti-Jewish) comments of his, or examples of where he contradicted himself.

35 posted on 02/16/2005 4:08:13 PM PST by secretagent
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To: standupfortruth
That's OK my friend - any decent Aussie is pretty hard to offend. We are tied together by a somewhat common heritage and a common future.<>God Bless

Mel

36 posted on 02/17/2005 12:48:50 AM PST by melsec (No other Name!)
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To: standupfortruth; sinanju; TexasTaysor

<< Israel may very well be the only remaining true ally that we have in this screwed up world. >>

Almost. There's also Australia.

And that's absolutely it!


37 posted on 02/17/2005 4:18:34 AM PST by Brian Allen (I fly and can therefore be envious of no man -- Per Ardua ad Astra!)
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To: Brian Allen

As I stated in post #16


38 posted on 02/17/2005 5:39:29 AM PST by TexasTaysor
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To: TexasTaysor

<< As I stated in post #16 >>

No you didn't.

Australia is our nation's first and best ally and its People are of the same quality of ally as are the Nation of Israel and the Israelis.

And there are no others on Earth that even come close -- let alone the bloody Limeys!


39 posted on 02/17/2005 6:07:17 AM PST by Brian Allen (I fly and can therefore be envious of no man -- Per Ardua ad Astra!)
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