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Bush Tapes Not a Precursor to Armageddon (FR mentioned)
Daily Texan ^ | 2/22/05 | Clint Rainey

Posted on 02/22/2005 7:33:39 AM PST by Flightdeck

"It's over!" Or: "Worlds are colliding! Unfastened is Pandora's box, and it heralds apocalyptic days of doom - the end of the Republican reign." Or even: "Hell hath no fury like Bush's unbridled tongue: Tapes of President Bush speaking unedited, uncoached and unchecked are loosed to do their bidding!"

This is what one would expect to hear from mortified Bush supporters after just such a bombshell announcement - the release of private presidential tapes.

From a president who has coined (and I use this word as disdainfully as possible) words such as "misunderestimate," "Hispanically," and "the Internets" in rehearsed stump speeches and - Heaven help us! - an actual presidential debate, news that The New York Times has heard nine hours of unabridged and unaided Bushspeak is surely a conservative dystopia.

Doug Wead, an author and former aide to George H.W. Bush, provided the Times this series of a dozen tapes which captured Bush's thoughts, ideas and candor on every issue from his faith and quasi-blemished past to Cabinet appointees and gay marriage.

The disaster that conservatives crossed fingers in hopes of avoiding never came, much to the chagrin of the circle-and-slash W. crowd. One relieved Free Republic blogger put it best: "Thank God... [Bush] is what he is, has been and will always be: himself."

This guy got it exactly right: Bush is always Bush. Just imagine the incrimination that would come from nine hours of off-the-cuff, "private" recordings between Clinton and a trusted friend. Remember the 18-minute mystery gap that "happened" into Nixon's secretly taped conversation with his chief of staff? Or what about Lyndon Johnson's confidential tape stash? For a president, secret tapes are about as damning as it gets. But, these tapes don't incriminate or condemn: Bush in private is Bush in public. He is himself.

I admit it: Having never met the president, I find it difficult at times to defend him or his thoughts (or lack thereof). And I can't trust the explications he or his press secretary or Cabinet members put forward to the public as guiltless, spin-free and veritable. Now, enter secret tapes.

No preparation, no politicking, no putting the best foot forward; if you want real, this is it. The tapes are full of Bush genuineness like misused words, a Texan patois and that occasionally braggart swagger. It's a complete package; Bush is always Bush, and that's inclusive of those idiosyncrasies that make him the object of vituperative, filthy mudslinging.

Here's a sampling of W., unplugged:

Speaking about prominent evangelical minister James Robison, Bush told Wead, "I think he wants me to attack homosexuals. [I told him], 'Look, James ... I'm not going to kick gays, because I'm a sinner. How can I differentiate sin?'" But he added, "Gay marriage, I am against that. Special rights, I am against that." Hardly anti-gay, yet consistent with his religious roots. (A bit of clarification on the motives behind a constitutional amendment.)

Though he's made mistakes, Bush is keenly aware that one of his duties is national role model: Bush told Wead about his past, "I wouldn't answer the marijuana questions. You know why? Because I don't want some little kid doing what I tried." In Bush's words, "Baby boomers have got to grow up and say, 'yeah, I may have done drugs,' but instead of admitting it, say to kids, 'don't do them.'" I doubt any ambitious politician's desire to conceal a past (shameful or not) is entirely altruistic; however, when the unguarded stance to which he defaults in private is setting a meritorious example, that's certainly a start. Let's assume Clinton and Gore initially denied marijuana use for the same reasons.

His faith brings balance and pushes him to be a better man: He lists five life-defining moments: "Accepting Christ. Marrying my wife. Having children. Running for governor. And listening to my mother." He said of his experiences as a Christian, "I've sinned, and I've learned." And, "I read the Bible daily. The Bible is pretty good about keeping your ego in check."

Many in conservative circles are harboring enough ire at Wead to sink an anchored ferry, insisting he released these tapes to get publicity. In his defense, Wead says he withheld the juiciest and most intimate bits of tape. (He incidentally has a new book, "The Raising of a President," available.)

These tapes do Bush more justice than a passel of fawning NewsMax stories. They are uncensored and true. They define the president's uncontrived, unpretentious staidness more than any biography ever will. Never have secret recordings of a president done anything but bring dishonorable ignominy and reprehension to the highest elected office. In these tapes, Bush is his himself when he didn't have to be.

But what did I expect? After all, Bush is Bush.

Rainey is a journalism junior


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Note it's a college newspaper: University of Texas at Austin. I don't know who the Freeper is who is quoted.

This guy's a total leftist, with surprisingly an intellectually honest bone in his body. (Albeit tongue-in-cheek with the obligatory Bush bashing)

1 posted on 02/22/2005 7:33:41 AM PST by Flightdeck
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To: Arrowhead1952

ping


2 posted on 02/22/2005 7:35:49 AM PST by Flightdeck (Liberals see Saddam's mass graves as half full. I prefer to see them as half empty.)
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To: Flightdeck

In another week, the left will be accusing Karl Rove of masterminding the leak of the tapes.

That's what they always do when an attepmted attack on Bush backfires. :)


3 posted on 02/22/2005 7:37:29 AM PST by cvq3842
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To: Flightdeck

Alas, this poor innocent has never met the sleazy likes of Pelosi, Reid, Waters, Dean and Kennedy. They certainly will find all the necessary meaning in W's tapes and inform us of what he really meant.


4 posted on 02/22/2005 7:38:21 AM PST by Tacis ("John ("What SF-180?") Kerry - Still Shilling For Those Who Would Harm America!")
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To: Flightdeck
Just imagine the incrimination that would come from nine hours of off-the-cuff, "private" recordings between Clinton and a trusted friend.

This would be interesting.

5 posted on 02/22/2005 7:40:48 AM PST by umgud
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To: Flightdeck
This guy's a total leftist, with surprisingly an intellectually honest bone in his body.

Absolutely, a very rare find. An ounce of honesty amoung a liberal. If Bush came out with a plan to feed the hungry, liberals would cry out that it is just a scheme to payoff Bush's 'Big Food' buddies.

6 posted on 02/22/2005 7:40:48 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Flightdeck
Just imagine the incrimination that would come from nine hours of off-the-cuff, "private" recordings between Clinton and a trusted friend.

Besides a trail of dead bodies including a previously trusted friend?

7 posted on 02/22/2005 7:42:43 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Flightdeck
This is what one would expect to hear from mortified Bush supporters

Some people just don't get it. After Podunk U. beats Notre Dame in basketball, you always hear how the Podunkers "over-achieved" and "played out of their minds", etc. etc.

You never heat the sportscasters or the prognosticators say "I GUESS OUR EXPECTATIONS WERE JUST PLAIN WRONG !"

8 posted on 02/22/2005 7:43:08 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: cvq3842
In another week, the left will be accusing Karl Rove of masterminding the leak of the tapes.

According to DU, Rove was busy suiciding Hunter S. Thompson yesterday, but being the multi-headed hydra he is, I'm sure he could have found the time to script some spontaneous Bush moments, prior to his forcing CBS to use obviously forged documents.

Imagine what he could accomplish if he wasn't getting gay with Gannon all the time!

9 posted on 02/22/2005 7:45:22 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Flightdeck; cvq3842; Tacis

Maybe the tapes weren't done in secret. The oped below is really interesting. Maybe the NY Slimes got roped a doped again by President Bush:

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2005/02/are-we-sure-wead-tapes-were-recorded.html

Althouse

Politics and the aversion to politics, law and law school, high and low culture, and the way things look from Madison, Wisconsin.

Sunday, February 20, 2005

Are we sure the Wead tapes were recorded secretly?

The NYT reports that Doug Wead secretly recorded private conversations he had with George Bush back when Bush was planning his run for the presidency:

Mr. Wead said he recorded the conversations because he viewed Mr. Bush as a historic figure, but he said he knew that the president might regard his actions as a betrayal. As the author of a new book about presidential childhoods, Mr. Wead could benefit from any publicity, but he said that was not a motive in disclosing the tapes.

"Might"? But of course it would be a flat-out betrayal to make secret recordings of a conversation with someone who came to you as an old friend and sought advice, as Bush purportedly did with the man he called "Weadie" or "Weadnik."

The NYT puts the story of the tapes on its front page, and the first few sentences hint that there may be some juicy morsels in the tapes. But:

The private Mr. Bush sounds remarkably similar in many ways to the public President Bush. Many of the taped comments foreshadow aspects of his presidency, including his opposition to both anti-gay language and recognizing same-sex marriage, his skepticism about the United Nations, his sense of moral purpose and his focus on cultivating conservative Christian voters.

The similarity between the private Bush and the public Bush is so great, in fact, that I suspect the Times is being taken for a ride and Bush actually knew he was being taped:

When Mr. Wead warned him that "power corrupts," for example, Mr. Bush told him not to worry: "I have got a great wife. And I read the Bible daily. The Bible is pretty good about keeping your ego in check."

Bush comes across as a remarkably consistent, morally grounded man. Look at the material about gay rights:

Mr. Bush appeared most worried that Christian conservatives would object to his determination not to criticize gay people. "I think he wants me to attack homosexuals," Mr. Bush said after meeting James Robison, a prominent evangelical minister in Texas.

But Mr. Bush said he did not intend to change his position. He said he told Mr. Robison: "Look, James, I got to tell you two things right off the bat. One, I'm not going to kick gays, because I'm a sinner. How can I differentiate sin?"

Later, he read aloud an aide's report from a convention of the Christian Coalition, a conservative political group: "This crowd uses gays as the enemy. It's hard to distinguish between fear of the homosexual political agenda and fear of homosexuality, however."

"This is an issue I have been trying to downplay," Mr. Bush said. "I think it is bad for Republicans to be kicking gays."

Told that one conservative supporter was saying Mr. Bush had pledged not to hire gay people, Mr. Bush said sharply: "No, what I said was, I wouldn't fire gays."

As early as 1998, however, Mr. Bush had already identified one gay-rights issue where he found common ground with conservative Christians: same-sex marriage. "Gay marriage, I am against that. Special rights, I am against that," Mr. Bush told Mr. Wead, five years before a Massachusetts court brought the issue to national attention.

If the tapes are what they purport to be, respect for Bush should grow. But how do we know Bush and his friend didn't stage the tapes? The Times tells us "The White House did not dispute the authenticity of the tapes or respond to their contents." Did the White House confirm the tapes were made secretly? That they were made at the time they are said to have been made?

The New York Times hired Tom Owen, an expert on audio authentication, to examine samples from the tapes. He concluded the voice was that of the president.

Well, good. But how did the Times convince itself that the tapes were made secretly? To me, they seem too good to be truly confidential conversations with an old friend.


10 posted on 02/22/2005 7:45:53 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: cweese; Zeppelin

UT ping


11 posted on 02/22/2005 7:47:16 AM PST by Flightdeck (Liberals see Saddam's mass graves as half full. I prefer to see them as half empty.)
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To: Flightdeck
From a president who has coined (and I use this word as disdainfully as possible) words such as "misunderestimate," "Hispanically," and "the Internets" in rehearsed stump speeches and - Heaven help us! - an actual presidential debate,
OK, little college junior journalism student, why don't you actually grow up a little and get a job and some real world experience before you presume to disdain the president. You remind me of the little 12 year-old girl that the dems trotted out and thought it was so cute to see her reprimand the VP for his choice of words directed toward a reprehensible senator.

Freedom of speech means that you have the right to express yourself. Responsibility and maturity involves recognizing when you do and do not have the life experience that establishes your credibility to make an authoritative statement about something.

(Note - my comment is directed to the smarmy little author of the column and not to the Freeper "Flightdeck")

12 posted on 02/22/2005 7:48:01 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: Flightdeck
The FReeper quoted is Virginia Queen
13 posted on 02/22/2005 7:51:02 AM PST by evets (God bless president George W. Bush)
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To: Always Right

When I was young, unexperienced, and had not yet truly learned the truth about the utopian fallacies of the left, I would have considered myself somewhat to the left. But I later learned that what I was interested in was fairness and freedom for people, especially from abuse of power, and the marxist/socialist way was not it. Perhaps this is what happens to all of us who follow Winston Churchill's paradigm of liberal youth, conservative maturity.

And the intellectually honest will often go this way with time.

Wish they all would.


14 posted on 02/22/2005 7:52:56 AM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Virginia Queen

Some loser picked one of your posts to publish in a student newspaper in the above article.


15 posted on 02/22/2005 7:55:10 AM PST by Flightdeck (Liberals see Saddam's mass graves as half full. I prefer to see them as half empty.)
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To: Flightdeck
This guy's a total leftist . . .Rainey is a journalism junior

All it means is that he has a heart. In 15 years, he'll have a brain.

16 posted on 02/22/2005 7:57:57 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: Flightdeck
More honesty than from most Liberals....

The only prt I really have interest in commenting on is this-

The disaster that conservatives crossed fingers in hopes of avoiding never came

I never crossed my fingers. I know my President. I voted largely for him in 2000 on basis of Character and Faith. He makes mistakes but he has a good soul. That is not subject to Doubt, at least in my case.

17 posted on 02/22/2005 7:58:33 AM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: VRWCmember

"(Note - my comment is directed to the smarmy little author of the column and not to the Freeper "Flightdeck")"

And I was just about to post an indignant response. Actually my theory is that the press is so liberal because conservatives are busy being the newsMAKERS and the pathetic following little leftists are left to report on what we do.


18 posted on 02/22/2005 8:01:17 AM PST by Flightdeck (Liberals see Saddam's mass graves as half full. I prefer to see them as half empty.)
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To: biblewonk

ping


19 posted on 02/22/2005 8:08:06 AM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: dead

LOL!


20 posted on 02/22/2005 8:20:16 AM PST by cvq3842
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To: cvq3842

What do you mean "in another week?" They started it almost immediately.


21 posted on 02/22/2005 8:24:13 AM PST by AggieCPA (Howdy, Ags!)
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To: dead

My hat is off to Rove. Someday they will substitute "Prince Rove" for "Prince Machiavelli," so great is his reach and subterfuge. In his very presence, one should greet him thusly: "Blessings and peace, shock and awe, oh noble prince."


22 posted on 02/22/2005 8:28:23 AM PST by Enterprise (President Bush thought Wead was a friend. Turns out he was just a huge tape worm.)
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To: Flightdeck; ohioWfan
One relieved Free Republic blogger put it best: "Thank God... [Bush] is what he is, has been and will always be: himself."

This sounds remarkably like what you said on ATRW, post 51, slightly paraphrased, of course. You're famous! Sort of.

23 posted on 02/22/2005 8:30:05 AM PST by Jemian
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To: cvq3842
In another week, the left will be accusing Karl Rove of masterminding the leak of the tapes

I heard Billy Crystol do just that last night on Fox News. It is as predictable as the tides.

24 posted on 02/22/2005 8:32:13 AM PST by Jemian
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To: cvq3842
In another week, the left will be accusing Karl Rove of masterminding the leak of the tapes.

There was a female reporter on the Talking Heads segment of FOX News Sunday that said that, but I think she had her tongue in cheek. She was a temp replacement for one of the Lib reporters, so you never know.

25 posted on 02/22/2005 8:35:55 AM PST by Oatka
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To: cvq3842

Not to worry, there are already callers to talk radio insisting that this whole deal was cooked up by Dubya.


26 posted on 02/22/2005 8:48:49 AM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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To: Flightdeck; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; Radix; Kathy in Alaska; MoJo2001; LaDivaLoca; Fawnn; ...

One relieved Free Republic [blogger??] put it best: "Thank God... [Bush] is what he is, has been and will always be: himself."

PING!!!!


27 posted on 02/22/2005 9:21:10 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 ("I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for," - Howard Dean 01/29/2005)
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To: Arrowhead1952; Flightdeck
One relieved Free Republic [blogger??] put it best: "Thank God... [Bush] is what he is, has been and will always be: himself."

Amen. He is what he is; a smart cookie.


28 posted on 02/22/2005 9:36:44 AM PST by Lady Jag (Honor)
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To: Lady Jag
I just love this one!!!


29 posted on 02/22/2005 9:51:46 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 ("I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for," - Howard Dean 01/29/2005)
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To: Flightdeck; Arrowhead1952; Alamo-Girl; onyx; ALOHA RONNIE; SpookBrat; Republican Wildcat; Howlin; ..
Bush Tapes Not a Precursor to Armageddon
(FR mentioned)

Excerpt:

The disaster that conservatives crossed fingers in hopes of avoiding never came, much to the chagrin of the circle-and-slash W. crowd. One relieved Free Republic blogger poster put it best: "Thank God... [Bush] is what he is, has been and will always be: himself."


Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my General Interest ping list!. . .don't be shy.


30 posted on 02/22/2005 9:54:26 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Flightdeck
The disaster that conservatives crossed fingers in hopes of avoiding never came,

He started with the premise that Bush supporters, when first learning there were secret tapes of Bush conversations, feared what would be on them.

I can honestly say I never did. Learning what they contained only showed my lack of concern was well placed. The only umbrage I took was Wead's deceit, which he proceeded to compound by issuing his various lies about why he taped and what the plans for their use was.

31 posted on 02/22/2005 10:02:11 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: Grampa Dave
More and more my admiration for Dubya increases. And more and more he validates my reasoning for becoming Republican. The smartest thing I've done since marrying the greatest man on earth.
32 posted on 02/22/2005 10:05:47 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Grampa Dave

I think that theory is stupid and offensive.

Bush is not going to let his spokesman say the conversations were thought to be in confidence if they were in fact taped with his knowledge.

This theory has been crafted by the left to explain why Bush is the same in private as he is in public. They do not like how well the tapes reflect on him and so started spinning an alternate scenario much akin to the CBS attack.

Bush, instead of being the victim of treachery (in this case a "friend" secretly taping him, in CBS the presentation of fake documents) is re-cast as the architect of pulling one over on the hapless media.

The media then becomes the victim of the machiavellian Bush administration.

What a crock.


33 posted on 02/22/2005 10:11:37 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: Flightdeck

" Just imagine the incrimination that would come from nine hours of off-the-cuff, "private" recordings between Clinton and a trusted friend. "

Jesse Jackson was Clinton's spiritual advisor after Monica.
Imagine if Jesse had secretly taped Clinton.
And offered them to the NYT- I bet their existence would never have seen the light of day.
Which would probably be a good thing, as even a triple XXX rating would't have been a sufficient warning.


34 posted on 02/22/2005 10:13:20 AM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Jemian

Bill Kristol was mocking the lefties.

He was being dry as dust. I saw it, too.


35 posted on 02/22/2005 10:15:13 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: MeekOneGOP

Thanks for the ping!


36 posted on 02/22/2005 10:16:13 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: MeekOneGOP
This well sums it up, I think.

"No preparation, no politicking, no putting the best foot forward; if you want real, this is it."

That's why these tapes are a non-scandal.

37 posted on 02/22/2005 10:39:57 AM PST by JLO (Minnesota Nice)
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To: Grampa Dave

The fact that the NYTimes had to pose the question is the best proof that there is nothing they could use to hurt Bush in any of the tapes.

I guess it it time to back to the TANG issue!! LOL!!


38 posted on 02/22/2005 11:56:17 AM PST by SpinyNorman (Islamofascists are the true infidels.)
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To: Flightdeck

"I don't know who the Freeper is who is quoted."

Actually, he was quoting me and last time I checked I was still a "she." Perhaps he felt the name "Virginia Queen" implied I was another type of queen.


39 posted on 02/22/2005 12:17:16 PM PST by Virginia Queen (Virginia Queen)
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To: MeekOneGOP

I've always figured this whole bogus tape thing was done in an effort to resurrect the ghost of Watergate (Hillary!s glory days)

Remember right after the election, the mass media talking heads were telling us over and over that Bush might not be so popular in his second term, hands tied, yada yada, reminding us that Watergate hit Nixon and Monicagate hit Clinton in their second terms


40 posted on 02/22/2005 12:34:57 PM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: cake_crumb
I think when all is said and done, history will look
back on Bush as one of the finest Presidents ever.

41 posted on 02/22/2005 12:44:51 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: SpinyNorman

Your two comments below, sum up the NY Slimes as it flounders around:

"The fact that the NYTimes had to pose the question is the best proof that there is nothing they could use to hurt Bush in any of the tapes."

"I guess it it time to back to the TANG issue!! LOL!!"

Or maybe trot out the old yellowcake, Plame/Wilson blame game.


42 posted on 02/22/2005 1:07:07 PM PST by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: SpinyNorman

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1348716/posts?page=1#1

EX=PROSECUTOR: PLAME LEAK NOT ILLEGAL
NEWSMAX ^ | 2/22/05


Posted on 02/22/2005 10:14:45 AM PST by areafiftyone


The former prosecutor who helped draft the law that Democrats say was violated when someone in the Bush administration leaked a CIA worker's name to columnist Robert Novak now says that no laws were broken in the case.

Writing with First Amendment lawyer Bruce Sanford in the Washington Post recently, former Assistant Deputy Attorney General Victoria Toensing explained that she helped draft the law in question, the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act.

Says Toensing, "The Novak column and the surrounding facts do not support evidence of criminal conduct."

So why – with a special prosecutor now threatening to toss Time magazine's Matthew Cooper and New York Times reporter Judith Miller in jail if they don't give up their sources in the Plame case – aren't their lawyers invoking the "no laws were broken" defense?

Explains the National Review's Rich Lowry: The Miller-Cooper defense hasn't made this argument because it would be too embarrassing to admit that the Bush administration's "crime of the century" wasn't really a crime at all, especially after a year and a half of media chest-beating to the contrary.

"It was just a Washington flap played for all it was worth by the same news organizations now about to watch their employees go to prison over it," says Lowry.

"That's the truth that the media will go to any length to avoid."


43 posted on 02/22/2005 1:31:29 PM PST by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: Flightdeck
"Never have secret recordings of a president done anything but bring dishonorable ignominy and reprehension to the highest elected office. In these tapes, Bush is his himself when he didn't have to be."

Possibly a liberal, rather than a leftist - meaning there's hope for him. I thought the piece was fairly well written and extremely positive, albeit the truth is couched in leftyspekk so the target audience will understand his points.

44 posted on 02/22/2005 2:16:32 PM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: Grampa Dave
"The similarity between the private Bush and the public Bush is so great, in fact, that I suspect the Times is being taken for a ride and Bush actually knew he was being taped: ..."

Of course there couldn't be the teeniest, tiniest possibility that the Private Mr Bush is remarkably like the public governor Bush and later President Bush because they ARE exactly the same person?

I'd say what you see is what you get, but the left collective doesn't SEE him, usually to their serious embarrassment.

45 posted on 02/22/2005 2:23:23 PM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: MeekOneGOP

ta for ping.

from the same author, Doug Wead
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/choice2000/bush/wead.html

"Is there any story you can tell us that helps define another aspect of him that you think is important?

Yeah, one thing I haven't seen covered in the press a lot is his almost anal sense of integrity; anything fishy, anything grey. When he was running his dad's campaign, there were girls who would have loved to have slept with the vice-president's son, the future president of the United States, and they'd send signals out and he'd send signals back saying, "Not interested."

There was even one that was kind of pushed. I remember sitting in his office when a very prominent public figure walked in and said, "G.W., you really made her feel bad, you really hurt her." G.W. said, "Good. I'm married. Not interested. Case closed. Good, I hope she feels bad, good. Glad she got the message." And in his business life I saw that. "

another story:

"There was a congressman, former congressman, who came to me with a wonderful business deal that would be good for the cause, it involved a media purchase, it was a good deal. They had one little piece of the puzzle missing and G.W. had the contact and could make the phone call to make this work, to add, to make this work. So this congressman, I said, "Ok, I'll get you in to see G.W."

And we were rehearsing in his hotel room before the meeting, and he gets to a part where he's going to say to G.W., "And there's something in this for you, if you can be helpful to us, da da da da da." ...So I plead with the congressman "Don't do this, don't say this to G.W., he'll spot it" and, he says, "That's not the way Washington works, this is what we do here, it's quid pro quo, this is long before Washington, this is the essence of people, of politics and business and there's nothing illegal about this." I said, "You understand Washington, I understand G.W. Bush. Please don't do that, you're going to embarrass me and it will backfire." He says, "Alright," I say, "Promise me," he says, "Ok, I promise." So I took him in there, and sure enough, we get in the middle of this thing, G.W.'s listening to it, sounds good, and then this congressman says, "And we're not going to take advantage of you, and if you can help us and da da da da da" and G.W. jumped out of his chair so fast and lifted the congressman up-- former congressman-- and said, "Well, this was great, thanks, buddy, thanks," and basically threw him out of his office... "


46 posted on 02/22/2005 2:25:45 PM PST by bitt ("Conservatism is the dominant political creed in America,")
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To: cake_crumb
Excellent summary of our president now and then as governor of Texas:

Of course there couldn't be the teeniest, tiniest possibility that the Private Mr Bush is remarkably like the public governor Bush and later President Bush because they ARE exactly the same person?

I'd say what you see is what you get, but the left collective doesn't SEE him, usually to their serious embarrassment.

47 posted on 02/22/2005 2:28:24 PM PST by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: MeekOneGOP
"I think when all is said and done, history will look back on Bush as one of the finest Presidents ever."

As do I. Had a feeling about him from the beginning. Still do.

48 posted on 02/22/2005 2:31:21 PM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: bitt
Thanks for that info/post. Very good.

49 posted on 02/22/2005 2:34:54 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: cake_crumb
My first experience with Dubya goes back to the days when he was managing partner of the Texas Rangers.

I remember when I'd go to the games I'd take my binoculars cuz it was fun to watch the players and fans, etc. I remember checking each game to see if Dubya was there. He'd always sit behind the home team dugout on the first base side.


50 posted on 02/22/2005 2:40:11 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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