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ZOT! U.S.: IRA must disband now
Reuters ^ | Wednesday, March 9, 2005

Posted on 03/09/2005 6:05:20 AM PST by Rogers324

BELFAST, Northern Ireland (Reuters) -- The United States has demanded that the IRA disband after the guerrilla group's astonishing offer to shoot the killers of a murdered Northern Ireland Catholic man. "It's time for the IRA to go out of business," U.S. special envoy Mitchell Reiss said Wednesday. For the IRA's political ally Sinn Fein, Northern Ireland's biggest Irish nationalist party, the U.S. demand was yet another blow to its democratic credentials. Reiss told BBC radio: "It's time for Sinn Fein to be able to say explicitly, without ambiguity, without ambivalence, that criminality will not be tolerated. "You can't sign up for the rule of law a la carte." The IRA's offer -- also condemned by London and Dublin -- handed fresh ammunition to Protestant rivals who say Sinn Fein is not fit for government until the Irish Republican Army disarms and disbands. The killing of Robert McCartney by a gang including IRA members has plunged the IRA and Sinn Fein into crisis -- coming just weeks after the guerrilla group was blamed for a £26.5 million ($50 million) bank raid in central Belfast. London and Dublin say there can be no progress on restoring the British-ruled province's regional government -- set up under a 1998 peace deal to share power between divided Protestants and Catholics -- until the issue of IRA criminality is resolved. Home rule was suspended in 2002 when unionists, who support ties to Britain, said they would no longer sit in government with Sinn Fein until the IRA got rid of the weapons which sustained its three-decade campaign against British rule. "It is their declared intent to murder," said hardline Democratic Unionist Party leader Ian Paisley in response to the IRA move.

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"The Sinn Fein/IRA commitment to terror and criminality is total." Bar fight McCartney, a 33-year-old forklift truck driver, was beaten and stabbed to death in a bar fight at the end of January. His family, who hail from a working class Catholic district considered an IRA heartland, have mounted a vociferous campaign for the killers to be brought to justice, accusing the IRA of intimidating witnesses and cleaning the bar of evidence. The United States has already signaled its displeasure with the political stagnation in the province by failing to invite the leaders of Sinn Fein and the other Northern Ireland political parties to the White House for St. Patrick's Day celebrations this month. In a statement released on Tuesday, the IRA said it had held a five-and-a-half hour meeting with the dead man's sisters and fiancee, during which it "stated in clear terms that the IRA was prepared to shoot the people directly involved." The family rejected the offer, saying they wanted the killers brought to court. The IRA did not spell out whether it intended to kill or wound the suspects, but Northern Ireland's police chief Hugh Orde said he had no doubt the offer was to assassinate them. "We are not in the business of applauding or being impressed by illegal organizations' statements," he told the BBC. "We have to remember that it was IRA members who killed Mr. McCartney, it was IRA members who destroyed the evidence and it was IRA members who threatened and intimidated the witnesses.
1 posted on 03/09/2005 6:05:20 AM PST by Rogers324
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

ping...God be with you


2 posted on 03/09/2005 6:06:45 AM PST by Cornpone (Aging Warrior -- Aim High -- Who Dares Wins)
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To: Rogers324

Im dissapointed....Anyone who knows the real history of what has gone on in Ireland for the past century, knows which side to be on.


3 posted on 03/09/2005 6:07:24 AM PST by Rogers324 (Tagline Sale, 9.95)
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To: Rogers324; Happygal; Irish_Thatcherite; Cillmantain; Colosis; aculeus; Maeve; slane; Youngblood
Irish Bump.

The time is nigh.
4 posted on 03/09/2005 6:08:05 AM PST by Incorrigible (immanentizing the eschaton)
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To: Rogers324; Happygal; Irish_Thatcherite; Cillmantain; Colosis; aculeus; Maeve; slane; Youngblood
Irish Bump.

The time is nigh.
5 posted on 03/09/2005 6:08:05 AM PST by Incorrigible (immanentizing the eschaton)
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To: Incorrigible

This is such a dissapointment, that a the group is responsible for the actions of a few. The IRA did not plan this murder.

What bothers me, the british killed millions of Irish from 1700-1916....and noone does anything. The IRA murders one, they get hoisted upon their own petard.


6 posted on 03/09/2005 6:10:17 AM PST by Rogers324 (Tagline Sale, 9.95)
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To: Rogers324

While their cause is just the IRA are terrorists and have been since the the early 70s. For a while they had the glamor and rightousness of 'freedom fighters', but nail bombs in public places are not pretty. All Republican parties now have access to legitmate political means and the continued existence of am 'armed struggle' - really now just a cover for a bunch of gangsters using terror for enforcement - cannot be justified.

But...read my tag and fire away.


7 posted on 03/09/2005 6:11:45 AM PST by johnmilken (75% of my posts are proved wrong within 10 minutes...)
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To: Rogers324
What bothers me, the british killed millions of Irish from 1700-1916....and noone does anything. The IRA murders one, they get hoisted upon their own petard.

Pretty sure the IRA has committed more than one murder during its existance.

I doubt you'll garner a lot of support claiming that the USA should throw its support behind a group of car bombers and thugs similar to the ones we're fighting and killing in Iraq.

8 posted on 03/09/2005 6:12:12 AM PST by TBarnett34 ("Unnngh!" -John F'n Kerry, 11/2/04)
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To: Rogers324

?


9 posted on 03/09/2005 6:12:29 AM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: MeekOneGOP
Im dissapointed....Anyone who knows the real history of what has gone on in Ireland for the past century, knows which side to be on.

I got the feeling we might need a horse nose for this one.

10 posted on 03/09/2005 6:13:35 AM PST by TBarnett34 ("Unnngh!" -John F'n Kerry, 11/2/04)
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To: TBarnett34

Im not supporting the IRA, and its killings...But I do support the Political Wing.
The IRA killings was a response to British Murders and Assinations that had been going on for hundreds of years.

Do I have to give a history lesson about England VS. The Irish Republic?


11 posted on 03/09/2005 6:14:10 AM PST by Rogers324 (Tagline Sale, 9.95)
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To: twinself

Ping!


12 posted on 03/09/2005 6:14:35 AM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Valin; AdmSmith

pong


13 posted on 03/09/2005 6:14:50 AM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: TBarnett34

I do not support the murder of the driver. Im Dissapointed it happened. And that now Sien fienn is taking the heat.


14 posted on 03/09/2005 6:14:55 AM PST by Rogers324 (Tagline Sale, 9.95)
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To: Rogers324

The 1700's?

Well, why not?

A bunch of Andalusian muslims are demanding that the Spanish applogize for chasing them out of Spain a while back.

Cheers.


15 posted on 03/09/2005 6:15:07 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: Rogers324

The IRA murdered far more than one, and while it's true that from 1700 - 1916 [and beyond - Bloody Sunday was more than a U2 song] the British killed many Irish Catholics, much the same could be said of whites killing Native Americans in the same period, and yet I think you'd have a rather different opinion of a Native American Independence group killing 'just one' white American.


16 posted on 03/09/2005 6:15:54 AM PST by johnmilken (75% of my posts are proved wrong within 10 minutes...)
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To: Rogers324
Im not supporting the IRA, and its killings...But I do support the Political Wing. The IRA killings was a response to British Murders and Assinations that had been going on for hundreds of years.

Do I have to give a history lesson about England VS. The Irish Republic?

I don't need a lecture; I'm quite aware. However, we simply cannot sanction their continued pursuits in murder due to past grievances. It'd be just as much of a mistake as it was for our lovely 42nd President to give political legitimacy to Arafat.

17 posted on 03/09/2005 6:16:10 AM PST by TBarnett34 ("Unnngh!" -John F'n Kerry, 11/2/04)
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To: Rogers324

Sinn Fien is a legitamite political party. They are the Modernized IRA...The IRA realized that bombs wouldnt work. They formed a political party.

Remember, London once considered a rag-tag band of rebels murders and killers as well.


18 posted on 03/09/2005 6:17:39 AM PST by Rogers324 (Tagline Sale, 9.95)
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To: Rogers324
And that now Sien fienn is taking the heat.

That's typically what happens to a political wing of a group dedicated to murder when dealing with an American president who actually has a backbone.

Perhaps if Sinn Fein would condemn this act?

19 posted on 03/09/2005 6:17:54 AM PST by TBarnett34 ("Unnngh!" -John F'n Kerry, 11/2/04)
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To: Rogers324

The IRA has planted bombs in my city and killed my fellow citizens for years on end. If you want to start the discussion of who is murdering whom, be prepared to realise that there are victims on both sides. However, Britain is only in Northern Ireland because the Unionists want us there, and they are the majority. You and Sinn Fein need to grow up, get over yourselves, and realise it's 2005, not the age of Cromwell.

One final point - after September 11th, Britain has been supporting America in every way, including our dearest blood. Sinn Fein / IRA wrote editorials suggesting America got what it deserved. It's time you realised on which side your bread was buttered, who your friends are and who your enemies are, who sides with you and who sides with the terrorists (including FARC in your hemisphere). Keeping the IRA out of the White House's festivities is a sensible move.

Ivan


20 posted on 03/09/2005 6:19:07 AM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: Rogers324
Im not supporting the IRA, and its killings...But I do support the Political Wing. The IRA killings was a response to British Murders and Assinations that had been going on for hundreds of years.

Do I have to give a history lesson about England VS. The Irish Republic?



I'm more than familiar with the history of what King James nad Britian did until the present day. What happened 300, 200, 100, 50, or even 10 years ago does not give anyone the right to blow up innocent people with nail bombs. The IRA is a mudering bunch of thugs, and supporting them is the same as murder in the eyes of God.
21 posted on 03/09/2005 6:19:15 AM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Rogers324
What bothers me, the british killed millions of Irish from 1700-1916....and noone does anything. The IRA murders one, they get hoisted upon their own petard.

Michael Collins and Eamon De Valera would beg to differ with your assessment of "doing nothing".

Ireland gained it's independence in 1922.  The partition of the north was part of that settlement.  Of course people were not happy with that but they were more tired of the bloodshed and just plain worn out.

The modern IRA is not the IRA of 1916.  The IRA of Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness is a criminal organization using the ruse of Republicanism to continue their rackets.

Yes, I'm aware of the Ian Paisley and the other Protestant malcontents that foment division with the marching season every year but the Sinn Fien/IRA was at the cusp of becoming a legitimate political party but as most people on this board already knew, they just weren't honorable enough to live up to the task.

Let them consigned to the dustbin of history.

22 posted on 03/09/2005 6:19:21 AM PST by Incorrigible (immanentizing the eschaton)
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To: Rogers324

What's the problem with disarming then?

Cheers.


23 posted on 03/09/2005 6:20:29 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: Rogers324
What bothers me, the british killed millions of Irish from 1700-1916....and noone does anything.

To the time machine. Let's corect all past deeds NOW.

24 posted on 03/09/2005 6:20:34 AM PST by rhombus
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To: Rogers324
What bothers me, the british killed millions of Irish from 1700-1916....and noone does anything. The IRA murders one, they get hoisted upon their own petard.

Are you joking?! Go take this idiotic argument to a reparations for Black Americans board. You should find lots of friends there.

25 posted on 03/09/2005 6:20:36 AM PST by old and tired
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To: TBarnett34

The problem is the bias against Irish Catholics in London.
The Catholic vs. Protestant rift runs deep. It has caused death from Dublin to the five points. The IRA began as an Armed struggle, and does now need to disarm. But you cannot deny the IRA the right to assemble and support Sinn Fein.

http://sinnfein.org/


26 posted on 03/09/2005 6:20:46 AM PST by Rogers324 (Tagline Sale, 9.95)
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To: Rogers324

No one ever talks about the orangmen and the many they have killed.


27 posted on 03/09/2005 6:21:07 AM PST by Moleman
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To: Rogers324
The problem is the bias against Irish Catholics in London. Perhaps. I see an awful lot of anti-British bias in Americans of Irish descent who never ever lived in Ireland and maybe visited once.
28 posted on 03/09/2005 6:22:14 AM PST by rhombus
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To: Incorrigible

Right on!
Its plain that the IRA are nothing but terrorists and gangsters now that they have no excuse to continue with their 'struggle'. Demographics, the ballot box and a booming Irish economy wil see to that. Catholics, y'see, they breed like...Catholics [or Palestinians, to which this somewhat relates...] The romantic notions of Irish Americans are very sweet until they goes beyond the Guiness and the Joyce.


29 posted on 03/09/2005 6:22:51 AM PST by johnmilken (75% of my posts are proved wrong within 10 minutes...)
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To: Rogers324; TBarnett34; 4mycountry; TheBigB; VRWCmember; Zavien Doombringer; jriemer; mhking; ...


30 posted on 03/09/2005 6:22:55 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Rogers324

Telling the IRA to "DISBAND" is different than "Disarm"


31 posted on 03/09/2005 6:22:56 AM PST by Rogers324 (Tagline Sale, 9.95)
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To: Rogers324

>The IRA killings was a response to British Murders and Assinations that had been going on for hundreds of years.

B.S.!

The killings are their m.o. for silencing anyone who dares to oppose their marxist and criminal activity. They try to color this with a green republican face, but their primary aim is to turn Ireland into another Cuba.

They'd off you in a second if they thought you had the goods on them.


32 posted on 03/09/2005 6:23:05 AM PST by Lovely-Day-For-A-Guinness (Eenie meanie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak....)
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To: TBarnett34
thugs similar to the ones we're fighting and killing in Iraq

You can not compare the Irish to those 6th century goons in the middle east. Not to make light of the situation but at least the Irish guy can blow up something and go back to the pub, unlike these fools blowing themselves up :-)

33 posted on 03/09/2005 6:23:40 AM PST by Moleman
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To: Rogers324

Terrorist sympathizers sicken my stomach.


34 posted on 03/09/2005 6:23:53 AM PST by Happygal (liberalism - a narrow tribal outlook largely founded on class prejudice)
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To: Rogers324
You're advocating tyranny of the minority -- that because an obvious minority in Ireland isn't getting their way, they should be allowed to go stabbing and blowing people up?

I don't care who people assemble to support. But when they commit acts such as these to achieve their ends, they lose any and all credibility.

If the leaders of Sinn Fein had any brains in their collective skulls, they'd condemn these brutal acts. What they're doing today is no different than with the Islamofascists and their "supporters".

35 posted on 03/09/2005 6:24:19 AM PST by TBarnett34 ("Unnngh!" -John F'n Kerry, 11/2/04)
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To: johnmilken

I am worried that ordering the IRA to disband (Which London has also done) Will only worsen things.
It will just give the IRA one more cause to use. Its own survival.
When backed into a corner, it will do anything to surivive.
That is true with all things.


36 posted on 03/09/2005 6:25:02 AM PST by Rogers324 (Tagline Sale, 9.95)
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To: Moleman
You can not compare the Irish to those 6th century goons in the middle east. Not to make light of the situation but at least the Irish guy can blow up something and go back to the pub, unlike these fools blowing themselves up :-)

Hah! You've got a point! (and I'm 1/3 Irish, myself...)

Okay, I really need to get to class!

37 posted on 03/09/2005 6:25:31 AM PST by TBarnett34 ("Unnngh!" -John F'n Kerry, 11/2/04)
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To: Rogers324

You are a troll.


38 posted on 03/09/2005 6:26:16 AM PST by Happygal (liberalism - a narrow tribal outlook largely founded on class prejudice)
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To: Rogers324; Happygal

The Irish government wants the IRA to disband. As Happygal (of Wexford, Ireland) has noted - the one thing that unites every other political party in the Irish Republic and Northern Ireland is hatred for Sinn Fein / IRA.

Ivan


39 posted on 03/09/2005 6:26:20 AM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: Rogers324
Your anti-American terrorist pals are finally getting some of the attention they so richly deserve.

From today's WSJ (subscription only) ...

It is no wonder, therefore, that Messrs. Adams and McGuinness have assumed that they could get away with anything. Yet even after September 11, they have been largely exempted from the full rigors of the anti-terrorism consensus. This anomaly must be rectified: Sinn Fein/IRA is a viciously anti-American movement whose closest foreign collaborators include the PLO (Arafat is a particular hero to republicans); the Colombian FARC (to whom it has supplied urban warfare techniques in exchange for cash to fund its rise to power in the Irish Republic); Castro's Cuba; and Hugo Chávez's Venezuela (where many IRA men, including a close relative of Gerry Adams, hang out). Significantly, one of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's lieutenants gave an interview recently to Time magazine in which he cited Sinn Fein/IRA's success as the model for the Iraqi insurgents' admixture of political and military action.

Sinn Fein/IRA was in the vanguard of opposition to giving U.S. military aircraft landing rights at Shannon International Airport during the Iraq war -- a privilege that would end if it entered an Irish coalition. Its policy documents have historically been hostile to private property and now advocate an increased capital-gains tax on owners of multiple properties and a 50% tax band for those who earn over €100,000. They also want a rethink of the role of multinationals in Ireland. U.S. investors beware: The combination of official and unofficial Mafia-style taxes will make a Sinn Fein/IRA-run Ireland a profoundly bad return on your money.

The second Bush administration is increasingly sensitive to the shift in Irish opinion. It now seems certain that Mr. Adams will not come within a hundred miles of the White House for the annual St. Patrick's Day party. Instead, invitations have gone out to the sisters of Robert McCartney, who have launched a campaign for justice that has already won the heart of southern Ireland. But an even more public rebuff is now required for republicans. One of the most popular women in Ireland today is Ann McCabe, widow of a southern Catholic police officer slain by the IRA in County Limerick in 1996. She has been determined that the killers do not benefit from the early release schemes of the peace process. She is no less deserving of an invitation to the White House. And at a political level, Sinn Fein/IRA should go back on the State Department's list of proscribed terrorist organization

40 posted on 03/09/2005 6:26:57 AM PST by aculeus (Ceci n'est pas une tag line.)
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To: TBarnett34

That is wrong.
The IRA does not want the destruction of an Entire race of people. It just wants Britain to stop meddling in its affairs.
London has troops in Northern Ireland, but it cant be called an occupation because the British appointed government asked for the troops to come.


41 posted on 03/09/2005 6:27:21 AM PST by Rogers324 (Tagline Sale, 9.95)
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To: Rogers324

So, you are on the side of murderers and terrorists?

YOU ARE A TROLL !!


42 posted on 03/09/2005 6:28:21 AM PST by PilloryHillary (I lead a simple, heteronormative exsistence.)
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To: Rogers324

I seem to have come off that I support the IRA...I dont support the IRA...I just support Sinn Fein's right to existance.


43 posted on 03/09/2005 6:28:30 AM PST by Rogers324 (Tagline Sale, 9.95)
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To: Happygal
You are a troll.

I believe him to be a "Zombie"!  :-)

44 posted on 03/09/2005 6:28:38 AM PST by Incorrigible (immanentizing the eschaton)
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To: PilloryHillary

see post 43


45 posted on 03/09/2005 6:28:59 AM PST by Rogers324 (Tagline Sale, 9.95)
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To: Rogers324
Anyone who knows the real history of what has gone on in Ireland for the past century, knows which side to be on.

And anyone whose bothered to read the United States Constitution knows that we should be on neither 'side'. Let them deal with it, although for the record I know what you mean and I agree fully. But in continuation of 'stick our nose into other nation states internal affairs' foreign policy (contrary to the intent of the Framers) I doubt that will happen.

46 posted on 03/09/2005 6:29:33 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Blurblogger

cleanup in aisle 666


47 posted on 03/09/2005 6:29:45 AM PST by PilloryHillary (I lead a simple, heteronormative exsistence.)
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To: Rogers324

DRAT! I thought it said "IRS."


48 posted on 03/09/2005 6:30:13 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (One Iraqi purple finger took more courage than John Kerry's three purple hearts.)
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To: PilloryHillary

See post 43


49 posted on 03/09/2005 6:30:14 AM PST by Rogers324 (Tagline Sale, 9.95)
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To: Rogers324

see post 43

See this, troll.

50 posted on 03/09/2005 6:30:26 AM PST by PilloryHillary (I lead a simple, heteronormative exsistence.)
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