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Terri Schiavo "Downside Legacy" Information Catalog -- 1st workthread
various sources ^ | 3/13/05 | cyn

Posted on 03/13/2005 11:48:24 AM PST by cyn

There's quite a lot of information about Terri Schiavo, much of it here on FR. FR is like a basement or storage room with lots of boxes labeled “Terri”. But the information in those dusty old threads, some of it painstakingly researched and retrieved, is getting buried and lost, unusable for latercomers (and, speaking from experience, forgotten except as an “I kinda remember...” foggy recollection). This leads to people putting precious time into rediscovering what had been put together a year or more ago, and an inability to relate information easily -- it's all here "somewhere". (Pause at this point to acknowledge and thank the earliest Freepers who posted about Terri here, and to enlist your comments and support.)

So “Terri Schiavo Info Cataloguing Threads” are just that:

an attempt to collect, source (or discredit), and catalog/categorize facts and information -- aka nuggets -- related to Terri Schiavo.
This will then permit easier access, scrutiny, analysis, and use by many more people, since very few have time to read every post. Each thread will in essence be a “parking lot” for what at first will be odd information. That will then be organized into a successively more usable and complete form.

This is roughly patterned after Alamo Girl’s Downside Legacy work. This is what I have in mind, and by golly, Alamo Girl already said it:

The following list is a compilation from Free Republic posters, edited by Free Republic posters. It is dynamic, subject to continuing authentication, editing, correction and expansion.

The list seeks to exclude emotion, judgment and rhetoric by using minimal qualifiers and gentler words - such as "contradiction" over the more inflammatory alternative. Please help to keep the list up-to-date, draw your own conclusions, and use it as you wish." (6/11/98)

It is also inspired by threads, such as the Waco ones, in which individuals pored over photos and information in an attempt to arrive at a better understanding of the situation. In those threads, a pile of rough information, known facts, half truths, obfuscations, red herrings, and dead ends is distilled into a picked-clean pile of truths.

Please respect the overall INTENT of these threads -- TO GATHER, SOURCE, and CATALOG INFORMATION (raw data, insight, expertise) -- and individual posters. Superfluous off-topic posts will make this more difficult. Either take arguments off thread, or agree to disagree to disagree. IOW, “big kids” only, no troll warnings necessary, and this should work.

Organization is according to the following keywords that have withstood my own initial feasibility checks which can certainly be supplemented and refined:

1 Schiavomedical** -- Medical, starting with proving or rejecting of these two points:

1a Terri Schiavo is not in a persistent vegetative state.
1b Regardless of her condition (PVS or not), Terri is not receiving the care that another similar patient would. -- which brings in the current DCF investigation.

1a Schiavomeddocs -- Catalog of medical info / records / documents / medical related depositions & witness statements -- to permit easier “fingertip” access instead of wondering where they went!

1b SchiavoDCF** -- DCF complaints and investigation, attempts to discredit it (talk about “don’t need to be a weatherman to see which way the wind blows”, this was it!)

2 Schiavomedia -- Media coverage, or not.

2a Schiavoimages** -- Photos / video / audio / images available, rare glimpses of Terri’s situation -- to permit easier access to

3 Schiavophilosophy -- philosophical view; meaning and importance of Terri’s life

3a Terriphilosophy -- Terri’s own beliefs, convictions, practices, lifestyle, worldview

3b Schiavoreligion -- church related information, vatican statements, local hierarchy actions, inactions, concerns, relationship to others (eg, business dealings, donations to campaigns).

3b Schiavosupport -- individuals and groups who have come out in support of, or opposed to, Terri’s return to her family so that she can receive the care she needs, and why.

4 Schiavobusiness -- left to others to organize and post -- financial and business aspects and relations, including that now-defunct but still mysterious Jerger Centonze Insurnace [sic, just as it was incorporated at SunBiz]

5 Schiavolegislative -- left to others to organize and post -- rationale, reality of 1999 change to make hydration and nutrition “extraordinary measures”; Jim King’s legacy

6 Schiavojudicial -- left to others to organize and post -- courts, lawsuits, guardian issues, recall efforts, depositions, witness statements (Carla Iyer et al)

6a Schiavojuddocs -- documents related to the above.

10a Schiavocollapse -- Terri’s initial collapse, including reports of Micheal’s actions (or, in the case of CPR and calling 911, inactions, and discrepancies in his (and his lawyers) recounting of events of that night, eg court testimony on one occasion vs court testimony on another occasion vs Larry King Live vs other interviews.

** my most important topics. I'm thinking [ ] will show information and { } will show source; _____ means info needed.

I’ll post a few sample threads later to experiment with “parking information” onto them, and those links will be down thread. Let me know any suggestions, additions. I would prefer to turn the individual category threads -- especially legislative, and judicial -- over to the most involved, knowledgeable, and capable individuals in those areas.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: schiavo; terrischiavo; terrisfight
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Who: Us, according to interest and time, on an “as you come across something of interest in your daily FR travels” basis. You’re not answering to anyone! Me, if no one else, bit by bit.

What: collect, source (or disprove), and catalog / organize information on Terri Schiavo -- a “Downside Legacy of Terri Schiavo”, if you will.

When: immediately, acc. need and perceived importance, and long term

Where: uh, here! Jammies optional.

How: Cut and paste relevant info with HTML source code in the body of the related thread as you find it on current threads, other websites, newssources, or as you think of it. Build on someone’s previous posts. Scour old threads to retrieve info. This can’t all be organized at once, but it can be done one chunk at a time.

Why?: Because we can. This forum offers an unprecendented ability to consider and distill information, as noted above re: Alamo Girl’s Downside Legacy and other topic threads.


1 posted on 03/13/2005 11:48:25 AM PST by cyn
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To: Alamo-Girl; PrepareToLeave; tutstar

in the end, I just closed my eyes and hit the 'send' button.


2 posted on 03/13/2005 11:50:56 AM PST by cyn
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To: Pegita; amdgmary; floriduh voter; Ohioan from Florida; FL_engineer; supercat; nicmarlo; AnnaZ; ...

For your consideration. OfF, will you please ping your list -- thanks!


3 posted on 03/13/2005 11:55:05 AM PST by cyn
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To: cyn

I can't quite figure which link to click on. Some don't work.


4 posted on 03/13/2005 12:01:32 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: cyn

Monumental, dear heart ...


5 posted on 03/13/2005 12:02:21 PM PST by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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To: cyn

You not only inspire us, you organize us too! Thanks for all your hard work.


6 posted on 03/13/2005 12:06:03 PM PST by Faith
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To: Dog Gone
CORRECTION: "This is roughly patterned after Alamo Girl’s Downside Legacy work.

That's a Google search of "Downside Legacy" limited to free republic website -- for anyone who has not seen the work, or for those who want to consider the process used.

And, um, I meant to do that?

7 posted on 03/13/2005 12:13:21 PM PST by cyn
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To: Pegita; Faith

thank you all for your ongoing support -- those posts to the prayer thread are so encouraging and helpful!


8 posted on 03/13/2005 12:19:40 PM PST by cyn
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To: FL_engineer
CORRECTION:
1 Schiavomedical -- Medical, starting with proving or rejecting points 1a and 1b:

1a Not PVS?**

1b Not receiving appropriate care?**

1c SchiavoDCF** -- including last spring's [mysterious marks on Terri] and the [shut out of her family from visiting her for ____ days.]

1d SchiavoMedDocs -- old [MedPlex] and [other odd reports] [accidently released] as well as [recent affidavits from 17 physicians regarding current attempts to discontinue her feeding tube.]


9 posted on 03/13/2005 12:28:14 PM PST by cyn
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To: cyn

What hospice is Terri Schaivo staying at? She was moved from the one located off 66th St. in Pinellas Park a few months ago, and relocated to a place in Clearwater. What is the address to the present hospice? Thank you.


10 posted on 03/13/2005 12:40:25 PM PST by Ken522
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To: cyn
Thank you so much for the ping to your project and for using the Downside Legacy for a pattern to gather information.
11 posted on 03/13/2005 12:56:47 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Ken522
What hospice is Terri Schaivo staying at? She was moved from the one located off 66th St. in Pinellas Park a few months ago, and relocated to a place in Clearwater.

Terri is at Woodside Hospice and has been for sometime. The following are quotes.

"In March, 2002, Michael Schiavo and his attorney, George Felos, secretively relocated Terri Schindler-Schiavo from the Palm Gardens Nursing Home to the hospice without court order and without notifying her parents.

George Felos also conveniently forgot to give notice to the court and her parents, Mary and Robert Schindler Sr. that he was chairman of the board of directors at the Hospice at the time and had been since at least Jan. 31, 1997 and perhaps earlier."

12 posted on 03/13/2005 1:06:26 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Life support. canned, frozen or fresh, it's good for you!)
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To: cyn
Wondering if there should be a "Schiavofinancial" ?

maybe q's& a's re: stuff like this ?:
Who gains what ? Who loses what ?
Who's paying the hosp & medical expenses ?
Total costs to date ?
13 posted on 03/13/2005 1:06:46 PM PST by stylin19a (I will become a Democrat on my deathbed....better one of them dies than a good Republican)
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To: stylin19a; Alamo-Girl

I like your suggestion -- Schiavofinancial is actually a better, more inclusive topic than Schiavobusiness, which I wasn't too crazy about.

THANKS, AG, for the pattern! Contemplating this mountain is, I'll admit, a bit daunting. I'm thinking "elephant, one bite at a time"!


14 posted on 03/13/2005 1:16:53 PM PST by cyn
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To: DJ MacWoW; Ken522
Hi, Ken -- it's 6774 102nd Avenue N. (near 66th Street N and 102nd Avenue N) Pinellas Park, FL

Terri's residences:

(early dates need to be filled in, include MedPlex)

from _/_/_ to 3/_/02: Palm Gardens Nursing Home, Clearwater, FL

from 3/_/02 [not '00?] to _/_/03 : Woodside Hospice NOTE: [In March, 2002, Michael Schiavo and his attorney, George Felos, secretively relocated Terri Schindler-Schiavo from the Palm Gardens Nursing Home to the hospice without court order and without notifying her parents.] {freeper DJ MacWoW}

from from _/_/03 to __: Palm Gardens Nursing Home Reason moved: Woodside was undergoing renovations; all residents moved out to other locations [were most placed at Palm Gardens, or were the TRUE hospice pts, ie those w/less than 6 months to live, moved elsewhere?].

from from __ to present: Woodside Hospice, 6774 102nd Avenue N. (near 66th Street N and 102nd Avenue N) Pinellas Park, FL {http://www.eeng.net/eeng/ribbon/index.html} Reason: Woodside renovations complete.

Thanks, DJ -- can you link those two quotes? let's see if this 'works'...
15 posted on 03/13/2005 2:16:18 PM PST by cyn
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To: cyn

cyn -

This is a fabulous idea! There is so much info out there and cataloging it will certainly make it easier to connect the dots. Thanks for all you do!


16 posted on 03/13/2005 3:32:12 PM PST by nanetteclaret (The LORD is known by his justice; the wicked are ensnared by the work of their hands. Psalm 9:16)
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To: bjs1779

Thanks for posting that.

wow, "Life expectancy -- less than 6 months" -- William Moore, M.D. sure missed that one, didn't he. followed for Victor Gambone, M.D.


18 posted on 03/13/2005 4:29:22 PM PST by cyn
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To: cyn; Ken522
"In March, 2000, Michael Schiavo and his attorney, George Felos, secretively relocated Terri Schindler-Schiavo from the Palm Gardens Nursing Home to the hospice without court order and without notifying her parents.

George Felos also conveniently forgot to give notice to the court and her parents, Mary and Robert Schindler Sr. that he was chairman of the board of directors at the Hospice at the time and had been since at least Jan. 31, 1997 and perhaps earlier."

Quotes are from here, Schiavo Attorney Felos No Stranger To Medicare Fraud.

19 posted on 03/13/2005 5:23:55 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Life support. canned, frozen or fresh, it's good for you!)
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To: cyn; floriduh voter; phenn; FreepinforTerri; kimmie7; Pegita; windchime; tutstar; Deo volente; ...

Terri ping! If anyone would like to be added to or removed from my Terri ping list, please let me know by FReepmail!


20 posted on 03/13/2005 5:30:23 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: cyn; itsahoot; LauraleeBraswell; maine-iac7; clyde asbury; johnnyb_61820; lonevoice; ...

Ping! Hope you don't mind, this may be a good resource of info for us all.


21 posted on 03/13/2005 5:37:56 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: cyn; Pegita; Faith; Ken522; DJ MacWoW; stylin19a; nanetteclaret; bjs1779; Ohioan from Florida

LIST OF TERRI LINKS

22 posted on 03/13/2005 5:41:11 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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wow. FURTHERMORE:

Note that the answer to "Terminal Diagnosis:" is handwritten in, unlike all the other information, which is typed.

23 posted on 03/13/2005 5:43:50 PM PST by cyn
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To: DJ MacWoW

Thanks! I'm addressing & looking at everything here to start with, as I test if this is workable. So far, so good with the preliminary classification system.


24 posted on 03/13/2005 5:46:27 PM PST by cyn
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To: cyn
8/25/1990
Discharge Summary
Discharged from Bayfront Medical Center, here.

Progress Note Dr. Alcazaran
Meadowbrook, California facility 11/29/90 admitted, here
Done 12/12/90.
12/19/90 back to Meadowbrook from acute care.
Discharged 1/20/91 Has been home x 1 wk.

2/19/1991
Physical Therapy Monthly Summary
Terri came to Mediplex in a completely inadequate chair for her seating needs, no date found for admission.

7/16/1991 Pt discharged to Sable Palms, same links as above.

25 posted on 03/13/2005 5:48:09 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Life support. canned, frozen or fresh, it's good for you!)
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To: cyn

Why did #17 get deleted? Is it wrong to post an actual document?


26 posted on 03/13/2005 6:12:43 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: PhilDragoo

Not many, if any, women would want an estranged husband such as Michael, to be appointed their guardian and be given to power to have them killed.


27 posted on 03/13/2005 6:13:58 PM PST by Dante3
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To: bjs1779

And any analysis by Dr. Gambone should be considered suspect since he states life expectancy 6 months, and that was in 2000.
And he didn't sign it, now did he?

A mistake, or a mistaeak? Insurance or Insurnance ? What's a typo or two when your running Insurance scams for organized crime?


28 posted on 03/13/2005 6:45:54 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
And any analysis by Dr. Gambone should be considered suspect since he states life expectancy 6 months, and that was in 2000.

Doctor Gambone made his prognosis based upon what he knew at the time. How was he to know people would be as successful as they've been preventing Terri's execution"passing on"? Were it not for such unforeseeable actions, Terri would have been murdered"passed on" ages ago.

29 posted on 03/13/2005 7:49:41 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: cyn
THE TERRI SCHIAVO INFORMATION PAGE
30 posted on 03/13/2005 9:17:43 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: supercat
Doctor Gambone made his prognosis based upon what he knew at the time

Or based upon part of a minimum of $14 million dollars.

31 posted on 03/13/2005 10:08:15 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: supercat

Wonder who signed the death warrants on the other over 150 patients that the government is basing the fraudulent claims on?


32 posted on 03/13/2005 10:09:38 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: cyn

Praying for our Lord's Blessings to Rest Upon this Project, to the Praise of His Eternal Glory.


33 posted on 03/13/2005 10:41:34 PM PST by Kitty Mittens
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Goodnight prayers for Terri!


34 posted on 03/13/2005 10:46:47 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

I join you in prayer...


35 posted on 03/14/2005 12:03:44 AM PST by dandelion
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To: Ohioan from Florida; bjs1779

Hi, Ohioan -- it's because it contained personal information. Thanks again for finding that, bjs . . . can it perhaps be blacked out so it can be posted? That's the kind of thing that needs to keep coming out. Terri's tube should never get to the point of being pulled on Fri -- this is ridiculous, like a bad dream. Somebody pinch me.


36 posted on 03/14/2005 5:35:57 AM PST by cyn
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To: PhilDragoo

Actions for Terri;

http://tekgnosis.typepad.com
http://blogsforterri.com
http://www.terrisfight.org


37 posted on 03/14/2005 9:59:09 AM PST by pc93 (http://www.blogsforterri.com)
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To: cyn

Somewhere Dr. Gambone stated Terri was aware,she was not PVS.

Then, the MSM tried to imply Dr. Gambone stated she was PVS by saying Dr. Gambone and 5 other doctors stated that.

His name was on the PVS eval, but no signature, and he resigned as her doctor soon after.

FL_engineer needs the info I stated in the first line. Are you aware of this or can you point him to the source?


38 posted on 03/17/2005 12:15:13 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: cyn

cyn -

I've been thinking about your categories. How about one with all of Michael's girlfriends/relationships since he and Terri were married? We know he had a couple after Terri's collapse but before Jodi (using the rationale that "Terri would want him to be happy") - but what if it could be proven that he had girlfriends **after** their marriage but **before** her collapse? That would disprove his lie that "he loves Terri and wants to fulfill her wishes" - it would pretty much prove that he NEVER loved her!


39 posted on 03/18/2005 8:03:12 AM PST by nanetteclaret (The LORD is known by his justice; the wicked are ensnared by the work of their hands. Psalm 9:16)
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To: pc93; cyn; FL_engineer; floriduh voter; nickcarraway; Pegita; pollywog; Republic; ...

Test post - working on my Terri ping list...


40 posted on 03/19/2005 7:08:39 PM PST by Golden Gate
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To: cyn

BUMP


41 posted on 03/19/2005 7:18:52 PM PST by Dante3
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To: Salvation
The Real Terri Schiavo Information Page
42 posted on 03/19/2005 7:25:17 PM PST by Hildy
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Sadly, Terri Schiavo is not unique.

We need laws to stop this precedent, otherwise we will end up like the Netherlands. Many elderly people in the Netherlands are leaving for Germany, because they are afraid of being killed against their will.


43 posted on 03/19/2005 7:59:16 PM PST by Sun (Visit www.theEmpireJournal.com * Pray for Terri. Pray to end abortion.)
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To: UCANSEE2
Hi, U -- I'm not sure about that or where that is.

By PVS evaluation, do you mean the hospice certification form? That's what was posted here for a while -- and Gambone's name is sure enough TYPED in, but he never did sign it. It was actually signed by __Moore MD on 4/11/00. The referral was taken by Catherine C. Hodge, GS and it was signed by ... can't read it well ... _____ndy Cusimano RN. It was done on 3/3/00 life expectancy less than 6 months; terminal diagnosis WRITTEN IN in this otherwise typed form): vegetative state.

In the bottom typed in it says: "Based on the patient's diagnosis and current condition, I expect this patient has a limited life expectancy of six (6) months or less, if disease continues to take its usual course, and hereby certify this patient as eligible for Hospice care." Then is the place for physician to sign as the one verbally certifying this info is true. Gambone's name is typed in, but Moore actually signed.

44 posted on 03/19/2005 8:06:49 PM PST by cyn
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To: nanetteclaret

Great additions, nanette -- thanks.

SCHIAVOGIRLFRIENDS

I thought of another one, too as I considered all that is happening:

STUNNING REVELATIONS (Schiavorevelations):

1) Michael Schiavo was hired as RN for the St. Petersburg Jail in Sheriff Rice's last 4 days in office.

IMPLICATIONS: Does Michael therefore enjoy increased access and credibility in his new capacity?

What does this mean for anyone who may be arrested in hospice protests, as 3-4 were today?


45 posted on 03/19/2005 8:14:03 PM PST by cyn
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To: Dante3; Golden Gate

goodnight back to you. May angels seen and unseen continue to guard and protect Terri . . . may any additional evil against her be thwarted.


46 posted on 03/19/2005 8:17:33 PM PST by cyn
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To: Golden Gate; cyn

Do you want me to ping my Terri list again?


47 posted on 03/19/2005 9:37:23 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: cyn

Thank you for this new thread!


48 posted on 03/20/2005 3:46:13 AM PST by amdgmary (Please visit www.terrisfight.org and www.theempirejournal.com)
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To: cyn

Added to my Favorite Places. Thank you!


49 posted on 03/20/2005 3:47:25 AM PST by shezza
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To: UCANSEE2; All

http://www.theempirejournal.com/03200506_help_save_terris_life.htm and http://www.terrisfight.org

Call or email your legislators NOW!



50 posted on 03/20/2005 6:49:50 AM PST by Scoop 1
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