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Sherlock Holmes and me - (Barbara J. Stock on Ali Sina's debate w. hardcore Islamist)
RENEW AMERICA.US ^ | MARCH 12, 2005 | BARBARA J. STOCK

Posted on 03/13/2005 7:32:11 PM PST by CHARLITE

Professor Moriarty had Sherlock Holmes. Police Commissioner Dreyfus had Clouseau. Boris and Natasha had Rocky and Bullwinkle. Yamin Zakaria has me.

Who is Yamin Zakaria? Anyone who has followed my columns will remember Behold the Face of Islam and Followers of Islam: Can You See the Blood on Your Hands. Both were dedicated to, and about, the Islamic hate that is Mr. Yamin Zakaria. Yamin is a London-based writer and avowed supporter of Islamic terrorists. Consider this the third in a trilogy about the mindless meanderings of one Mr. Yamin Zakaria. Yes, you are entering the Twilight Zone. Welcome to the irrational world of Yamin Zakaria.

I have been following a debate between a rational man, Ali Sina, an ex-Muslim and owner of faithfreedom, and an irrational Islamic fanatic — Yamin Zakaria. The "debate" was a joke. Yamin never got his feet out of the starting blocks. Though he is braying like the jack-ass he is that he was victorious, anyone taking time to actually read the un-finished non-debate will realize otherwise. Even Muslims should be ashamed of his showing.

Let me ask this simple question: Do you understand, "Do unto others as you would like them to do unto you?" It's a simple concept. My children understood this "Golden Rule" when they were four years old, but this basic law in the fabric of civilized life baffled Mr. Zakaria. His Muslim mind simply couldn't grasp it. Page after page of "debate" was a calm Ali Sina explaining the concept over and over and Yamin trying to debate what it really meant. Not once did Yamin address the reason for the debate, which was for him to prove that Mohammed was a prophet from God and Islam is the only true religion and for Ali to prove the opposite. More than once Mr. Sina tried to steer the debate back on track, only to have Yamin say, wait, what about this "Golden Rule?" But what else can you say when you have no proof to put forth?

Let's examine some statements made by this rabid supporter of radical Islam and terrorism.

This from a column written by Zakaria titled, What would you rather be: Ethnic Minority, Gentile or Dhimmi: "If anything it is the Muslims that have always shown the greatest degree of tolerance." Yet, in an email to me, he made this statement: (The) prophecy of Prophet Muhammad (SAW), (is) that the end of time will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them all. Prior to that time anti-Semitism will become a virtue not a stigma!" He has even stated that moderate Muslims will have no safe haven. Now that's tolerance!

Yamin goes on to say in this same column that Muslims have "...no track records of the Islamic state forcefully converting people en masse or exterminating them." This statement would put anyone who is in touch with reality into fits of hysterical laughter! How does one explain the genocide in Sudan? The Islamic government has a policy of killing all those who refuse to convert to Islam. That is called extermination and forced conversion in anyone's dictionary but Yamin's. On average, 10,000 people a month are dying of starvation in camps in Sudan because the people have fled the marauding Islamic death squads. Then, the Islamic government blocks the food from getting to the camps. If you can't disembowel them — starve them to death. Sudan is but one example, there are many more.

The fact is, Muslims can't even get along with each other. Sunni hate Shia, Shia hate Sunni, and the Wahhabi sect hates everyone.

Another startling statement made by Mr. Zakaria is: "The recent convergences of the European countries to persecute the Muslim communities are not due to any real threats but driven by prejudice." The fact that Muslims are blowing up trains, slitting people's throats, and attacking firemen that dare enter Muslim neighborhoods to put out fires has nothing to do with people becoming intolerant of Muslims. The civilized world is expected to accept the violent and irrational behavior of Islam without question. Muslims are not expected to abide by the laws of the land or respect their host country's culture. It is their right to just be Muslim and all that encompasses. They don't have to "get along." Why? Because they feel they are above the rest of us "infidels."

Yamin's continued attacks on his debate opponent were a combination of twisted words and outright lies. In his epistle called: Freethinkers' VS Islam and the Burden of Proof, Zakaria makes the nonsensical statement: "The clearest evidence of their hypocritical and cowardly nature with pretence of being 'rational' lies in fact that they do not to elaborate on their alternative solutions as vociferously as they express criticisms of Islam and Muslims!" HUH? This is an old Yamin trick, use lots of big words to confuse the ignorant but actually say nothing at all. What did he say here? Those who try to debate with him had better not challenge him because his small, closed mind can't grasp the repetitive explanation of the "alternative solution."

I read every word of this non-debate. First, let me point out that "freethinkers" are not allowed in Islam. Second, Ali Sina made it very clear that he didn't care if people worshipped mushrooms as long as they didn't roam the world killing innocent people on the orders of the head mushroom. To put it simple enough for even Yamin to understand, Sina wanted people to simply live by The Golden Rule of life — "Do unto others..." At no time was it stated that Muslims should become Hindu or Catholic or Buddhist. They should be able to live their lives free from fear of their own religion. When that "religion" tells them to kill in God's name, and they follow that command, civilization must stop them. A six year old could understand this — but not Yamin.

While Yamin doesn't tote a gun, he uses his words to incite hatred and violence. He enshrines those that kill and urges them to kill more. Sadly, his words are eagerly posted on Islamic sites. Many of these sites don't know the real Yamin Zakaria. I do. I will continue to closely follow his hate filled rhetoric, as are others more powerful than I. From time to time I will report on his more outlandish statements. There is no way to keep him honest, but I will continue to expose his true nature — a terrorist who uses words instead of a sword. Yamin fights his wars like he debates: as a coward, hiding behind his computer screen, urging others to do his murderous dirty work.

Yamin Zakaria: "We as Muslims are obliged to support our Mujahideen; we should pray for their victory — they are our boys!"


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alisina; christians; conquest; dhimmi; faithfreedomorg; global; intolerance; islam; jews; jihad; koran; koranimals; religionofpeace; religionofpieces; sina; terror; terrorists; tolerance; trop; yaminzakaria; zakaria
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To: LauraleeBraswell
**I read it in a history book and THEN I read it on line**

Name of book? Author? Publishing company? Those facts alone will offer a great understanding.

141 posted on 03/17/2005 5:54:31 PM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Kid,I NEVER Google anything; not ever!

I know history cold; especially English history. You can be "a 1,000% positive",but that doesn't really mean anything whatsoever.Your constant uneducated posts prove that you are abjectly ignorant of all that you do post about. Give it a rest.

Dig,dig,dig,dig,dig...aren't your arms getting tired?

142 posted on 03/17/2005 5:59:38 PM PST by nopardons
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To: mrs tiggywinkle

Yes,that it would and likewise,I am more than happy and willing to post but a few of my sources;but NOT until after she does...for obvious reasons. LOL


143 posted on 03/17/2005 6:01:28 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons; LauraleeBraswell
nopardons, are you familiar with Charles C Coffin, a civil war journalist? Three of the books he wrote were Land of Liberty, Sweet Land of Liberty, The Boys of 76. Excellent reads, all of them. Not fast reads either. Very thought provoking. Land of Liberty begins in the 13th century, sharing unfortunate church history and how the puritans ultimately ventured to the new land...and why. It also includes the truths of Salem's witch trials and how they were a percentage of what had been going on in Europe for many years. Much more is written of course.

I urge everyone to read these fine books.

144 posted on 03/17/2005 6:09:22 PM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: mrs tiggywinkle; nopardons
Well, MRS TIGGYWINKLE- I don't recall. It was a history book. But if you are SO interested please google it. No Pardons however, is above googleing things, and it also seems she is against learning new information about things she is misinformed on. Cromwell's England was no United States in terms of religious tolerance, but it was progressive for the time.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Oliver+Cromwell+Tolerance&hl=en&lr=lang_en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official_s&start=10&sa=N
145 posted on 03/17/2005 6:11:15 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: mrs tiggywinkle
Yes,as a matter of fact,I have read those books and they are quite good reads. I too would recommend them to everyone.
146 posted on 03/17/2005 6:11:39 PM PST by nopardons
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To: mrs tiggywinkle

"""nopardons, are you familiar with Charles C Coffin, a civil war journalist? Three of the books he wrote were Land of Liberty, Sweet Land of Liberty, The Boys of 76. Excellent reads, all of them. Not fast reads either. Very thought provoking. Land of Liberty begins in the 13th century, sharing unfortunate church history and how the puritans ultimately ventured to the new land...and why. It also includes the truths of Salem's witch trials and how they were a percentage of what had been going on in Europe for many years. Much more is written of course.

I urge everyone to read these fine books."""

You urge everyone? Or just me. Somehow, I don't think that
that you were sincerly earnest in your recommendation.


147 posted on 03/17/2005 6:15:41 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Laura, earlier in this thread I encouraged you to read those books. My last post was yet another encouragement to do so. In fact, everyone *should* read them to gain an amazing knowledge of how 'we' came to desire and appreciate the liberty set before us in this great land. Good reads for EVERYONE! I have the set of three and plan to acquire his writings from the civil war (would go rather nicely with my ancestor's civil war diary and picture). Charles Coffin had amazing insight to go along with his incredible knowledge of history.
148 posted on 03/17/2005 6:24:08 PM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: LauraleeBraswell

btw...post 17 shares my original suggestion of reading Coffin's books.


149 posted on 03/17/2005 6:28:46 PM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: mrs tiggywinkle


- Nopardons and I were engaged in an arguement. NoPardons has insulted my intelligence which heightened the intensity,


this is clear in the posts.


And then you come along, post to both of us, and ask Nopardons if she has read a certain book on History. No no wait. You have the audacity to ask me what publisher of the book I read certain information in.

As if I had not been forthright.

So no, you were not earnest and you are being an antagonizer.


150 posted on 03/17/2005 6:32:12 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
My post 17 shows where I suggest the books to read

My post 148 shows where I suggest the books to read

My post 149 shows that I first suggested the books in post 17

Your post 150 is simply childish.

151 posted on 03/17/2005 6:37:06 PM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: LauraleeBraswell
You read a book,but don't know the title of it? All you have is a Google link,but I am the one who is "misinformed"? REALLY?

Cromwell may have allowed Jews back into England,but they were treated VERY harshly under his rule and refused citizen rights of any and every kind.

The Diggers and the Ranters and the Levellers were all not only suppressed by him,but put down and they were Christians.

Try reading "A SOCIAL HISTORY OF ENGLAND", by Asa Briggs, "THIS WAR WITHOIUT AN ENEMY", by Richard Olland, "THED OXFORD ILLUSTRATED HISTORY OF BRITAN",edited by Kenneth O. Morgan, "THE LIFE AND TIMES OF CHARLES II", by Christopher Falks, and " LONDON THE BIOGRAPHY", by Peter Ackroyd (whose other books are absolutely wonderful,well written,brilliantly researched,and eminently readable!) for starters. Once you've managed to aster the material in the aforementioned books, I'll give you another book list.

152 posted on 03/17/2005 6:38:44 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons


"" Once you've managed to aster the material in the aforementioned books, I'll give you another book list.""

Why would I want your book list? Why would I want to ask you for your personal recommendation. I should do my own damn research, remember?

Unless, you are making an effort to conciliate but I doubt it.


153 posted on 03/17/2005 6:52:23 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: mrs tiggywinkle
"" Are you aware, Laura, that google search results don't always link for truth? ""

Yes, and that's why I look for credible sources. There are credible sources on line, organization sponsored, government sponsored, University sponsored. Thanks.


"You need to dig deeper and research who the authors are of what you're reading."

I do.


""There are people in this world who desire to feed untruths to unsuspecting individuals.""

I live in the state that elected Hillary Clinton for Senator, HILLARY "NATIONAL HEALTHCARE" CLINTON! I am VERY informed don't doubt it.
154 posted on 03/17/2005 6:57:30 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Okay,ignore the book list; it's no skin off my nose.

Just learn a new word,kid? ROTFLOL

155 posted on 03/17/2005 7:05:10 PM PST by nopardons
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To: mrs tiggywinkle; nopardons


Also,

The internet has aided and full blown brought about the conservative revolution. Because of the internet, and search engines like google people have been able to learn the truth.
"Democrats are afraid people will learn the truth, Republicans are afraid they won't. "




156 posted on 03/17/2005 7:07:22 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: nopardons


You are an elitist.


157 posted on 03/17/2005 7:08:34 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Why do you consider nopardons an elitist?

She has challenged you on some serious issues/subjects. I hardly consider her being guilty of elitism. Share, please?

158 posted on 03/17/2005 7:20:39 PM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: mrs tiggywinkle



I would say it's her hubris.


159 posted on 03/17/2005 7:25:18 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

I would venture to say that could apply to any one of us, one time or another. Would you agree?


160 posted on 03/17/2005 7:32:00 PM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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