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Sherlock Holmes and me - (Barbara J. Stock on Ali Sina's debate w. hardcore Islamist)
RENEW AMERICA.US ^ | MARCH 12, 2005 | BARBARA J. STOCK

Posted on 03/13/2005 7:32:11 PM PST by CHARLITE

Professor Moriarty had Sherlock Holmes. Police Commissioner Dreyfus had Clouseau. Boris and Natasha had Rocky and Bullwinkle. Yamin Zakaria has me.

Who is Yamin Zakaria? Anyone who has followed my columns will remember Behold the Face of Islam and Followers of Islam: Can You See the Blood on Your Hands. Both were dedicated to, and about, the Islamic hate that is Mr. Yamin Zakaria. Yamin is a London-based writer and avowed supporter of Islamic terrorists. Consider this the third in a trilogy about the mindless meanderings of one Mr. Yamin Zakaria. Yes, you are entering the Twilight Zone. Welcome to the irrational world of Yamin Zakaria.

I have been following a debate between a rational man, Ali Sina, an ex-Muslim and owner of faithfreedom, and an irrational Islamic fanatic — Yamin Zakaria. The "debate" was a joke. Yamin never got his feet out of the starting blocks. Though he is braying like the jack-ass he is that he was victorious, anyone taking time to actually read the un-finished non-debate will realize otherwise. Even Muslims should be ashamed of his showing.

Let me ask this simple question: Do you understand, "Do unto others as you would like them to do unto you?" It's a simple concept. My children understood this "Golden Rule" when they were four years old, but this basic law in the fabric of civilized life baffled Mr. Zakaria. His Muslim mind simply couldn't grasp it. Page after page of "debate" was a calm Ali Sina explaining the concept over and over and Yamin trying to debate what it really meant. Not once did Yamin address the reason for the debate, which was for him to prove that Mohammed was a prophet from God and Islam is the only true religion and for Ali to prove the opposite. More than once Mr. Sina tried to steer the debate back on track, only to have Yamin say, wait, what about this "Golden Rule?" But what else can you say when you have no proof to put forth?

Let's examine some statements made by this rabid supporter of radical Islam and terrorism.

This from a column written by Zakaria titled, What would you rather be: Ethnic Minority, Gentile or Dhimmi: "If anything it is the Muslims that have always shown the greatest degree of tolerance." Yet, in an email to me, he made this statement: (The) prophecy of Prophet Muhammad (SAW), (is) that the end of time will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them all. Prior to that time anti-Semitism will become a virtue not a stigma!" He has even stated that moderate Muslims will have no safe haven. Now that's tolerance!

Yamin goes on to say in this same column that Muslims have "...no track records of the Islamic state forcefully converting people en masse or exterminating them." This statement would put anyone who is in touch with reality into fits of hysterical laughter! How does one explain the genocide in Sudan? The Islamic government has a policy of killing all those who refuse to convert to Islam. That is called extermination and forced conversion in anyone's dictionary but Yamin's. On average, 10,000 people a month are dying of starvation in camps in Sudan because the people have fled the marauding Islamic death squads. Then, the Islamic government blocks the food from getting to the camps. If you can't disembowel them — starve them to death. Sudan is but one example, there are many more.

The fact is, Muslims can't even get along with each other. Sunni hate Shia, Shia hate Sunni, and the Wahhabi sect hates everyone.

Another startling statement made by Mr. Zakaria is: "The recent convergences of the European countries to persecute the Muslim communities are not due to any real threats but driven by prejudice." The fact that Muslims are blowing up trains, slitting people's throats, and attacking firemen that dare enter Muslim neighborhoods to put out fires has nothing to do with people becoming intolerant of Muslims. The civilized world is expected to accept the violent and irrational behavior of Islam without question. Muslims are not expected to abide by the laws of the land or respect their host country's culture. It is their right to just be Muslim and all that encompasses. They don't have to "get along." Why? Because they feel they are above the rest of us "infidels."

Yamin's continued attacks on his debate opponent were a combination of twisted words and outright lies. In his epistle called: Freethinkers' VS Islam and the Burden of Proof, Zakaria makes the nonsensical statement: "The clearest evidence of their hypocritical and cowardly nature with pretence of being 'rational' lies in fact that they do not to elaborate on their alternative solutions as vociferously as they express criticisms of Islam and Muslims!" HUH? This is an old Yamin trick, use lots of big words to confuse the ignorant but actually say nothing at all. What did he say here? Those who try to debate with him had better not challenge him because his small, closed mind can't grasp the repetitive explanation of the "alternative solution."

I read every word of this non-debate. First, let me point out that "freethinkers" are not allowed in Islam. Second, Ali Sina made it very clear that he didn't care if people worshipped mushrooms as long as they didn't roam the world killing innocent people on the orders of the head mushroom. To put it simple enough for even Yamin to understand, Sina wanted people to simply live by The Golden Rule of life — "Do unto others..." At no time was it stated that Muslims should become Hindu or Catholic or Buddhist. They should be able to live their lives free from fear of their own religion. When that "religion" tells them to kill in God's name, and they follow that command, civilization must stop them. A six year old could understand this — but not Yamin.

While Yamin doesn't tote a gun, he uses his words to incite hatred and violence. He enshrines those that kill and urges them to kill more. Sadly, his words are eagerly posted on Islamic sites. Many of these sites don't know the real Yamin Zakaria. I do. I will continue to closely follow his hate filled rhetoric, as are others more powerful than I. From time to time I will report on his more outlandish statements. There is no way to keep him honest, but I will continue to expose his true nature — a terrorist who uses words instead of a sword. Yamin fights his wars like he debates: as a coward, hiding behind his computer screen, urging others to do his murderous dirty work.

Yamin Zakaria: "We as Muslims are obliged to support our Mujahideen; we should pray for their victory — they are our boys!"


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alisina; christians; conquest; dhimmi; faithfreedomorg; global; intolerance; islam; jews; jihad; koran; koranimals; religionofpeace; religionofpieces; sina; terror; terrorists; tolerance; trop; yaminzakaria; zakaria
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

Thanks, I knew you guys would know.


61 posted on 03/15/2005 8:12:39 PM PST by xone
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To: xone

arounf=around

And I got a spelling cop badge.


62 posted on 03/15/2005 8:14:47 PM PST by xone
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To: LauraleeBraswell

I think understand what you are trying to say, not to give up hope on anything because things change. I argue the same thing myself, that Christianity has changed and so can Islam. I think that the problem is that the fundamentalist Muslims don't want change. Most of the Muslims I have met in America abandon their faith when no longer forced to participate. It is really a rather sad excuse for a religion when you read the Koran and study it's history. I am not sure where it can go in it's evolution except to some sort of watered down Islam lite. As to Malcolm X being a leader, he was a interesting person but was as bigoted and ignorant as the younger George Wallace but in reverse. I enjoyed a record I had many years ago of some speeches that he made. He really didn't lead people anywhere but he was a devil's advocate of the first waters.


63 posted on 03/15/2005 8:26:20 PM PST by dog breath
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To: LauraleeBraswell

'I'm waiting....'

So am I re: post 60


64 posted on 03/15/2005 8:39:31 PM PST by xone
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To: LauraleeBraswell
The Salem witch trials had less than NOTHING to do with Puritanism.And FWIW,Salem's witch trials were not even the biggest ones in colonial America;just the best known. Congregationalists had them too.

Witch trials and far worse, were begun but the Catholic church against other Christians;fellow Catholic included, and to Jews and Muslims and atheists.

The Roman Catholic church even put animals on trial and burned them at the stake.

All of which is quite beyond the point of this discussion.

"THE SCARLETT LETTER" is about adultery.

Oliver Cromwell was NOT lenient with Protestant Christians of other sects, and ruined Christmas.

Quakers were EXPELLED from the Mass.Bay colony,founded Rhode Island, and you can;t equate 17th century behavior to 21rst century barbarity of the Islamocrazies.

65 posted on 03/15/2005 8:43:41 PM PST by nopardons
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To: LauraleeBraswell
JESUS WAS NOT A "PROPHET" !
66 posted on 03/15/2005 8:45:22 PM PST by nopardons
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Mussolini's DEAD BODY was "given to a crowd". Mussolini,alive,was NOT "given to a crowd".
67 posted on 03/15/2005 8:46:45 PM PST by nopardons
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Nope,you were just being idiotic,as you usually are.
68 posted on 03/15/2005 8:47:24 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

"I believe she was betrothed at 14, conceived Christ at 14 1/2 and gave birth at 15."

It seems to me that that was what the nuns taught me about 100 years ago, but my memory isn't what it used to be. That age level would be about right, even perhaps a year old for the times. Sorry I can't be more help. Its never been a real big question for me. :)


69 posted on 03/15/2005 9:12:14 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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To: mrs tiggywinkle
Malcolm X was a great leader? How so?

Read The Autobiography of Malcolm X and find out.

70 posted on 03/15/2005 9:12:40 PM PST by wideminded
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Lauralee, I was around to see Malcolm X assassinated by our own African-American versions of early (mid 60s) Islamic Fundamentalists. So Malcolm may have been an early martyr, in the Islamic sense, but that doesn't make him a great leader. He was a very interesting, bold and complex man, all the more so because he transformed himself from a pimp, criminal and numbers runner into a serious person.
I was around at the time, about as old as you are according to your profile, and it was a very compelling "either/or" choice offered between Malcolm and MLK. Lots of armchair revolutionary Liberal guiltomaniacs preferred Malcolm, for obvious reasons. But neither does that make him a great leader. BTW, I know that he shifted his positions , as you put it, "in his later years", but it would be better put, "in his later YEAR", because he really wasn't around as a personality for very long at all.
King was known in the fifties as a leader, and outlived Malcolm by more than two years.


71 posted on 03/15/2005 9:39:16 PM PST by willyboyishere
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To: nopardons


"""The Salem witch trials had less than NOTHING to do with Puritanism.""

Right uh hu.


""And FWIW,Salem's witch trials were not even the biggest ones in colonial America;just the best known.""

I know that. But since that's the best known example I used it.

""Congregationalists had them too.""

Congregationists were a sect of Puritans.

Christianity has done countless amazing things for the world. But people were still able to pervert it's message. Many of the people at the time were still primitive and barbaric.

Can we really expect to convert 1.3 billion people?


72 posted on 03/16/2005 3:08:44 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: dog breath

""It is really a rather sad excuse for a religion when you read the Koran and study it's history. ""


You've read the Koran?

I read parts of it, but they were taken out of context. You can take anything out of context really, and it can sound bad. The Koran though, is it true that there really is no sequence to it? That it's just a mess?





73 posted on 03/16/2005 3:15:00 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
** Can you really convert 1.3 billion people to Christianity? Do you think 1.3 billion people should be converted? **

Jesus commanded true Christians to go into all the world and preach the gospel. Salvation is for *everyone*, not for just a few. :o)

74 posted on 03/16/2005 7:02:01 AM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: wideminded
I've read enough about Malcolm X to know he had great communist leanings, vehemently hated Jews, Christians and white people.

I was asking Laura why she considered him a great leader.

75 posted on 03/16/2005 7:07:37 AM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: mrs tiggywinkle; LauraleeBraswell

'I was asking Laura why she considered him a great leader.'

Good luck getting an answer, I am still waiting on whether she stands by her implication that Mohammed's pedophilia is equivalent to the Virgin birth of Christ.


76 posted on 03/16/2005 9:33:49 AM PST by xone
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To: xone; mrs tiggywinkle



""I am still waiting on whether she stands by her implication that Mohammed's pedophilia is equivalent to the Virgin birth of Christ.""

I said I didn't stand by that.


77 posted on 03/16/2005 10:19:34 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

No, you said you didn't know that Mary was 141/2 or thereabouts when she conceived, you thought she was twelve. All that was in the context of Mohammed being called a pedophile even though Mary was 12 when she conceived.

Your implication was that the two events were equivalent. As I said, you implied the Holy Spirit was a Pedophile.


78 posted on 03/16/2005 10:28:18 AM PST by xone
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To: LauraleeBraswell

To Refresh your memory:

To: CHARLITE


Oh, and it also wasn't long ago when everyone hated the Jews.

We often say that Mohammad was a pedophile, but wasn't the virgin Mary around 12 when she was impregnated. How long did people really live back then?



3 posted on 03/13/2005 7:40:20 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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79 posted on 03/16/2005 10:30:53 AM PST by xone
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To: mrs tiggywinkle


Malcolm X wasn't a communist.



80 posted on 03/16/2005 10:44:45 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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