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The Future of Biology: Reverse Engineering
Creation-Evolution Headlines ^ | 3/14/05 | Staff

Posted on 03/15/2005 2:41:19 PM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo

The Future of Biology: Reverse Engineering    03/14/2005

Just as an engineer can model the feedback controls required in an autopilot system for an aircraft, the biologist can construct models of cellular networks to try to understand how they work.  “The hallmark of a good feedback control design is a resulting closed loop system that is stable and robust to modeling errors and parameter variation in the plant”, [i.e., the system], “and achieves a desired output value quickly without unduly large actuation signals at the plant input,” explain Claire J. Tomlin and Jeffrey D. Axelrod of Stanford in a Commentary in PNAS.1  (Emphasis added in all quotes.)  But are the analytical principles of reverse engineering relevant to biological systems?  Yes, they continue: “Some insightful recent papers advocate a similar modular decomposition of biological systems according to the well defined functional parts used in engineering and, specifically, engineering control theory.
    One example they focus on is the bacterial heat shock response recently modeled by El-Samad et al.2 (see
01/26/2005 entry).  These commentators seem quite amazed at the technology of this biological system:

In a recent issue of PNAS, El-Samad et al. showed that the mechanism used in Escherichia coli to combat heat shock is just what a well trained control engineer would design, given the signals and the functions available.
    Living cells defend themselves from a vast array of environmental insults.  One such environmental stress is exposure to temperatures significantly above the range in which an organism normally lives.  Heat unfolds proteins by introducing thermal energy that is sufficient to overcome the noncovalent molecular interactions that maintain their tertiary structures.  Evidently, this threat has been ubiquitous throughout the evolution [sic] of most life forms.  Organisms respond with a highly conserved response that involves the induced expression of heat shock proteins.  These proteins include molecular chaperones that ordinarily help to fold newly synthesized proteins and in this context help to refold denatured proteins.  They also include proteases [enzymes that disassemble damaged proteins] and, in eukaryotes, a proteolytic multiprotein complex called the proteasome, which serve to degrade denatured proteins that are otherwise harmful or even lethal to the cell.  Sufficient production of chaperones and proteases can rescue the cell from death by repairing or ridding the cell of damaged proteins.
This is no simple trick.  “The challenge to the cell is that the task is gargantuan,” they exclaim.  Thousands of protein parts – up to a quarter of the cell’s protein inventory – must be generated rapidly in times of heat stress.  But like an army with nothing to do, a large heat-shock response force is too expensive to maintain all the time.  Instead, the rescuers are drafted into action when needed by an elaborate system of sensors, feedback and feed-forward loops, and protein networks.
    The interesting thing about this Commentary, however, is not just the bacterial system, amazing as it is.  It’s the way the scientists approached the system to understand it.  “Viewing the heat shock response as a control engineer would,” they continue, El-Samad et al. treated it like a robust system and reverse-engineered it into a mathematical model, then ran simulations to see if it reacted like the biological system.  They found that two feedback loops were finely tuned to each other to provide robustness against single-parameter fluctuations.  By altering the parameters in their model, they could detect influences on the response time and the number of proteins generated.  This approach gave them a handle on what was going on in the cell.
The analysis in El-Samad et al. is important not just because it captures the behavior of the system, but because it decomposes the mechanism into intuitively comprehensible parts.  If the heat shock mechanism can be described and understood in terms of engineering control principles, it will surely be informative to apply these principles to a broad array of cellular regulatory mechanisms and thereby reveal the control architecture under which they operate.
With the flood of data hitting molecular biologists in the post-genomic era, they explain, this reverse-engineering approach is much more promising than identifying the function of each protein part, because:
...the physiologically relevant functions of the majority of proteins encoded in most genomes are either poorly understood or not understood at all.  One can imagine that, by combining these data with measurements of response profiles, it may be possible to deduce the presence of modular control features, such as feedforward or feedback paths, and the kind of control function that the system uses.  It may even be possible to examine the response characteristics of a given system, for example, a rapid and sustained output, as seen here, or an oscillation, and to draw inferences about the conditions under which a mechanism is built to function.  This, in turn, could help in deducing what other signals are participating in the system behavior.
The commentators clearly see this example as a positive step forward toward the ultimate goal, “to predict, from the response characteristics, the overall function of the biological network.”  They hope other biologists will follow the lead of El-Samad et al.  Such reverse engineering may be “the most effective means” of modeling unknown cellular systems, they end: “Certainly, these kinds of analyses promise to raise the bar for understanding biological processes.
1Tomlin and Axelrod, “Understanding biology by reverse engineering the control,” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA, 10.1073/pnas.0500276102, published online before print March 14, 2005.
2El-Samad, Kurata, Doyle, Gross and Khammash, “Surviving heat shock: Control strategies for robustness and performance,” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA, 10.1073/pnas.0403510102, published online before print January 24, 2005.
Reader, please understand the significance of this commentary.  Not only did El-Samad et al. demonstrate that the design approach works, but these commentators praised it as the best way to understand biology (notice their title).  That implies all of biology, not just the heat shock response in bacteria, would be better served with the design approach.  This is a powerful affirmation of intelligent design theory from scientists outside the I.D. camp.
    Sure, they referred to evolution a couple of times, but the statements were incidental and worthless.  Reverse engineering needs Darwinism like teenagers need a pack of cigarettes.  Evolutionary theory contributes nothing to this approach; it is just a habit, full of poison and hot air.  Design theory breaks out of the habit and provides a fresh new beginning.  These commentators started their piece with a long paragraph about how engineers design models of aircraft autopilot systems; then they drew clear, unambiguous parallels to biological systems.  If we need to become design engineers to understand biology, then attributing the origin of the systems to chance, undirected processes is foolish.  Darwinistas, your revolution has failed.  Get out of the way, or get with the program.  We don’t need your tall tales and unworkable utopian dreams any more.  The future of biology belongs to the engineers who appreciate good design when they see it.
    It’s amazing to ponder that a cell is programmed to deal with heat shock better than a well-trained civil defense system can deal with a regional heat wave.  How does a cell, without eyes and brains, manage to recruit thousands of highly-specialized workers to help their brethren in need?  (Did you notice some of the rescuers are called chaperones?  Evidently, the same nurses who bring newborn proteins into the world also know how to treat heat stroke.)  And to think this is just one of many such systems working simultaneously in the cell to respond to a host of contingencies is truly staggering.
    Notice also how the commentators described the heat shock response system as “just what a well trained control engineer would design.”  Wonder Who that could be?  Tinkerbell?  Not with her method of designing (see 03/11/2005 commentary).  No matter; leaders in the I.D. movement emphasize that it is not necessary to identify the Designer to detect design.  But they also teach that good science requires following the evidence wherever it leads.


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To: MacDorcha

Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial.


321 posted on 03/18/2005 9:37:33 AM PST by Rafterman ("Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: OhioAttorney
Thank you so very much for your excellent summary and discussion!
322 posted on 03/18/2005 9:38:48 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: js1138
Good illustration. What it illustrates is one of two possible things: (a) two purportedly identical color-qualities may turn out on closer inspection not to be identical after all; or (b) two people may have slightly different subjective experiences under very similar external conditions, so that one person experiences the same (identical) shade twice where someone else experiences two different shades.

I see what you're getting at, but I think the illustration leaves open the possibility that each of the specific subjectively-experienced shades could be identically repeated.

Indeed, there's a sense in which each shade has to be 'repeated' even to be experienced at all: an instantaneous shade of color at a dimensionless point is no color at all, so the experience has to be 'spread out' over both space and time in order to happen in the first place. In that case, I can mentally subdivide either the space or the time and get two (or more) identical color-experiences.

Now I really have to go. Thanks to all of you for an interesting chat, and I expect I'll be around again on Monday or thereabouts.

323 posted on 03/18/2005 9:40:05 AM PST by OhioAttorney
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To: Alamo-Girl; PatrickHenry

I normally dont do this,but I'm going to play devil's advocate here.

I think Pat's arguement was that "yes, we can hear it" but before it's percieved, is it sound? The mechanism that triggers "sound" in our brain is activated on the outside. We percieve "sound" only when we can record it.

Stop me if I got you wrong Pat.

This is a specific arguement I don't claim to have full knowledge of either, but I do like to play it out as much as I can, reardless of who I'm speaing with/for.


324 posted on 03/18/2005 9:40:38 AM PST by MacDorcha ("You can't reverse engineer something that was not engineered to begin with")
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To: Rafterman

LOL


325 posted on 03/18/2005 9:42:28 AM PST by MacDorcha ("You can't reverse engineer something that was not engineered to begin with")
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To: MacDorcha

speaing=speaking


326 posted on 03/18/2005 9:42:49 AM PST by MacDorcha ("You can't reverse engineer something that was not engineered to begin with")
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To: Rafterman

LOL!


327 posted on 03/18/2005 9:43:57 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Alamo-Girl; PatrickHenry; marron; OhioAttorney
There was no physical organism to hear that sound yet there you have it - proof that sound exists even if noone hears it.

Great observation, A-G!!!

328 posted on 03/18/2005 9:44:55 AM PST by betty boop (If everyone is thinking alike, then no one is thinking. -- Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: MacDorcha; Alamo-Girl
Here's a web site that attempts to show what it is like to have various kinds of color blindness. I think the examples are bad, and I think some of them are incorrectly labeled, but it's a start. Your friend with protonopia does not see everything as shades of grey. He just sees colors differently, and he will label some colors differently from you.

If color exists independently of the eye and brain, why will some people say that two color chips match exactly, and other people say they don't?

329 posted on 03/18/2005 9:45:40 AM PST by js1138
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To: PatrickHenry; Alamo-Girl

And to play out what I just stated about liking to argue either side:

If the reactive element existed until now, that would prove, still, that "sound" (as a vibration- as we percieve it) did in fact function in the same manner before us as it does now, and will likely continue to do so.


330 posted on 03/18/2005 9:48:20 AM PST by MacDorcha ("You can't reverse engineer something that was not engineered to begin with")
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To: MacDorcha
The roll of "cow" existed before you woke up this morning. You don't have to percieve it for it to be.

Moving from one sore point to another, is there a Platonic role for "whale"?

331 posted on 03/18/2005 9:49:48 AM PST by js1138
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To: js1138

No link.

Color does exist seperately. The problem is that "perception" is still playing it's hand.

A machine would identify them as different colors. But they still, in fact, exhibit color.


332 posted on 03/18/2005 9:50:28 AM PST by MacDorcha ("You can't reverse engineer something that was not engineered to begin with")
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To: ckilmer
On the big bang . . .

I'm with Einstein. It is unscientific to assume that the event did not have a cause and we may with reason hypothesize that the cause was beyond the objective reality we know, since that objective reality did not exist before the big bang. Therefore the cause was beyond the objective reality we know.

That is as close as science will ever come to presenting proof of the existence of God.

And for anyone who is wondering, I do personally view the big bang as the moment of creation and I do attribute it to God.
333 posted on 03/18/2005 9:51:13 AM PST by StJacques
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To: MacDorcha; betty boop; PatrickHenry
Thank you for your replies! And thank you for the kudos, betty boop!

IMHO, the "does the tree falling the forest make a sound" argument can be boiled down to a dispute of definitions:

Dictionary of Technical Terms

sound

1. An oscillation in pressure, stress, particle displacement, particle velocity, etc., in a medium with internal forces (e.g., elastic, viscous), or the superposition of such propagated oscillations.

2. A sensation evoked by the oscillation described above in the human ear.

In case of possible confusion, the term sound wave or elastic wave may be used for concept 1 and the term sound sensation for concept 2. Not all sound wave can evoke an auditory sensation, e.g., ultrasound. The medium in which the sound exists is often indicated by an appropriate adjective, e.g., airborne, water borne, structure borne.

I defer to the technical definition of the word "sound" - hence sound existed before there were any organisms (human or otherwise) to hear it.

334 posted on 03/18/2005 9:52:03 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

bump


335 posted on 03/18/2005 9:52:37 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Nations do not survive by setting examples for others. Nations survive by making examples of others)
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To: js1138

Can you concieve of a whale but not give any details defining it's exact species?

Large, aquative mammal with a horizontal tail fin that eat. Can you give me an exact species that that whale is?

It swims, we know this by "aquatic"

It consumes, has a spine, breathes air. We know this because it is an animal, as evident from the fact that it is mammal.

The roll is filled, but I am yet to tell you if it is a Blue Whale or a Sperm Whale, or even a toothed Orca.


336 posted on 03/18/2005 9:57:23 AM PST by MacDorcha ("You can't reverse engineer something that was not engineered to begin with")
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To: js1138; MacDorcha
Thank you for your reply and challenge!

If color exists independently of the eye and brain, why will some people say that two color chips match exactly, and other people say they don't?

The observer has nothing to do with the truth of the matter - whether the two color chips are identical or not.

Indeed, you may present the same color chip multiple times to a single observer and get mixed responses - when you as the investigator have prior knowledge that it is in fact the same color chip.

337 posted on 03/18/2005 9:57:52 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Tribune7
and these laws can be discovered (not invented) through experimentation.

False (and if one claims objectivism is not a blind faith note the internal contradiciton) . . .

Well at least you're honest about it Tribune. ID supporters believe it is scientific to invent the laws of nature. Scientists do not.

And on global warming, I know at least two geologists who will sit down and argue that we are actually entering a cooling phase and they will point to some rather significant evidence to make their point. These same geologists will laugh if anyone argues that there is scientific evidence to contest the Theory of Evolution.

And as to my religious beliefs, I state without reservation that I do believe in God most fervently. I consider my faith to be quite strong in fact. But I reject the notion that the Theory of Evolution undermines that belief in any way. My faith is not threatened by science and never will be.
338 posted on 03/18/2005 9:58:24 AM PST by StJacques
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To: MacDorcha
If it is indeed simply the reaction of our brains to moving electrons, why don't coloblind people have a blank space where things with those colors are?

Actually, something like this can happen. The best way to demonstrate this is to get out some black and white film and take some pictures with a red filter over the lens. That would simulate blue-blindness (although human blue-blindness is not exactly equivalent).I had a college professor with a blue deficiency. He said he could see blue in sunlight, but in dimmer light, blue objects looked black. Since he could see and understand blue, he could describe the perceived difference.

All objects in the real world have complex spectral distributions. Nothing in real life emits or reflects a single wavelength. There are an infinite number of possible mixtures of spectral colors that can give the subject impression of green (or any specified shade).

339 posted on 03/18/2005 10:00:40 AM PST by js1138
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To: StJacques

"And as to my religious beliefs, I state without reservation that I do believe in God most fervently. I consider my faith to be quite strong in fact. But I reject the notion that the Theory of Evolution undermines that belief in any way. My faith is not threatened by science and never will be."

Then we are of one accord, brother. :)


340 posted on 03/18/2005 10:01:07 AM PST by MacDorcha ("You can't reverse engineer something that was not engineered to begin with")
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