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Schiavo Moves Closer to Death (Schindlers Attorney: She Has 'Passed the Point of No Return')
ITV of Britain ^ | 3.27.05 9:49 PM

Posted on 03/27/2005 2:35:40 PM PST by gopwinsin04

The Schindlers attorney said that Mrs. Schiavo is declining rapidly and a morphine drip has been administered by medical staff at her hospice to help her ease her pain.

He added, 'At this point, we would say that Terri has passed the point of no return.'

The case has been in and out of court for years and has gripped America.

It has seen the intervention of US President George W. Bush, the US Supreme Court and Florida's Governor Jeb Bush.

The Schindlers, practicing Roman Catholics, have attracted passionate support from an array of Christian conservatives, right to life, and anti abortion advocates, who have been holding vigils outside the hospice.

(Excerpt) Read more at itv.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: judicialtyranny; terrischiavo
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To: Cboldt

Yes, I am sure that the Schindler's lawyers should have pushed for the de novo review in Federal Court this past week. I am also sure that they didn't.

That's not to say it would have worked - I think it would have won their side some time. If they tried it and the Fed Court didn't grant it, I would have a problem with that judge.

In any case, we won't find out. The Schindler lawyers didn't understand what a de novo review is.


241 posted on 03/27/2005 5:57:01 PM PST by HitmanLV
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To: HitmanNY
You can't blame the judges without laying some blame on the lawyers. I'm blaming both (and blaming the Schindler lawyers a bit more for being clueless what to do in Federal Court, even after Congress told them what to do).

I fall on the other side of the argument for culpability. I hold that it is more the smart guys (judges) fault than the dumb guys (Schindler's lawers) fault. That is always the case. The law is supposed to try to even the field in the name of justice. It failed miserably in this case, and the failure in indefensible.

The system is designed in layers, where the client is a dumb shit, the lawyer is the middle man, and the judge is all powerful. You point, blame the lawer, is like the lawer asserting blame the client. We are supposed to look out for the underlying interests, form be damned.

Anyway, nice to chat with you, and glad to know that you are not defending this travesty.

242 posted on 03/27/2005 6:00:08 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: HitmanNY
Yes, I am sure that the Schindler's lawyers should have pushed for the de novo review in Federal Court this past week. I am also sure that they didn't.

That is not responsive. My question was whether or not you are sure they would have prevailed.

243 posted on 03/27/2005 6:04:09 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: itsahoot

ROTFLOL!! Just what is it you want me to get ..??


244 posted on 03/27/2005 6:05:46 PM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: sweetliberty

"I'll believe it when I see it."

That's the problem with the world - but faith believes without seeing.


245 posted on 03/27/2005 6:08:16 PM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: BibChr

I have unkind words.

We have been betrayed.

This is murder.


246 posted on 03/27/2005 6:11:01 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: MplsSteve

There won't be a wrongful death suit because the death occured under color of law with a court order. It's not like the OJ case where a different standard of proof is involved. The only way a wrongful death case could be pursued imho, is if there were proof he caused the original problem.


247 posted on 03/27/2005 6:11:18 PM PST by esquirette (Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there.)
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To: The Real J Fate
And what a surpise it has been to see the Death Cult so strongly represented on FR

Shouldn't be a surprise at all. But it was to me too. The lesson? Follow "your own heart." I take my lead from Christ and the Bible. He is risen! Hallelujah!!

248 posted on 03/27/2005 6:18:42 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: CyberAnt
"That's the problem with the world - but faith believes without seeing."

I have faith in God. It is the arbiters of government that I have completely lost faith in.

249 posted on 03/27/2005 6:18:47 PM PST by sweetliberty (Never argue with a fool. People might not know the difference.)
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To: MoochPooch
Short Term Effects: Morphine is a narcotic drug. When a narcotic is injected, the user feels a surge of pleasure, then a state of gratification into which hunger, pain, and sexual urges do not intrude. The body feels warm and heavy and the mouth feels dry. The user goes into a stupor. The dose required for this effect may cause restlessness, nausea, and vomiting.

Taken orally, the effects are felt more gradually. Physical effects include nausea, vomiting, insensitivity to pain, contraction of the pupils, increased urination, constipation, sweating, itchy skin, and slowed breathing.

With very large doses the pupils contract to pinpoints, the skin is cold, moist and bluish, and breathing may slow to a complete stop resulting in death

I think this is why morphine has been given. Not out of a kind heart to ease her suffering, but to hasten Terris death.

250 posted on 03/27/2005 6:21:34 PM PST by AirForceMom (I am ashamed of the moral pollution upon America. The Red Zone)
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To: RightMike
I was thinking the same thing.

Gee, you don't think the scumbag murderers would lie to us, do you?

251 posted on 03/27/2005 6:21:40 PM PST by Lancey Howard (....tick.... tick.... tick.... tick....)
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To: gopwinsin04

It is a little comfort for those of us that know she can feel, but this will ease her suffering. I am glad the are giving her the morphine.


252 posted on 03/27/2005 6:22:01 PM PST by Nightshift (judge greer: legally blind and blind legally)
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To: Cboldt

It is responsive - I can't say that they would have prevailed on the merits with a full de novo review.

But I know that their chances of prevailing on the merits would have been better if they pushed and got the de novo review, rather than treating their trip to Federal Court as an appeal of the State Court.


253 posted on 03/27/2005 6:24:26 PM PST by HitmanLV
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To: sweetliberty
I have faith in God. It is the arbiters of government that I have completely lost faith in.

Yep. Murderers and cowardly enablers. I am sick to my stomach.

254 posted on 03/27/2005 6:24:38 PM PST by Lancey Howard (....tick.... tick.... tick.... tick....)
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To: xzins

"I have unkind words.

We have been betrayed.

This is murder."

I agree completely.
Try asking the enablers, "If this isn't murder, then what is it?", and their tortured, stammering, excuse-laden responses will make you even sicker.


255 posted on 03/27/2005 6:27:26 PM PST by Lancey Howard (....tick.... tick.... tick.... tick....)
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To: Bennett46

I wonder if the morphine is being administered to hasten her death, as she and Michael are under Congressional subpoena to appear before Congress tomorrow, Monday, March 28,2005. If she dies prior to this she cannot be brought to Washington. Michael would probably get a pass as he will be needed to fire up the oven for cremation.


256 posted on 03/27/2005 6:28:36 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (.)
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To: Lancey Howard; winstonchurchill

The severe restraints that finally permitted communion to be served to the poor woman are evidence that someone has ordered that she not be allowed even to try to eat and drink naturally.

To deprive a person of a food tube is one thing; to deprive them of even the possibility of a natural death is murder.


257 posted on 03/27/2005 6:33:20 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: sweetliberty

Well .. you have your faith in the right place.

GOD is able to do exceeding, abundantly above anything we could ask or think, infinitely beyond our highest hopes and dreams.


258 posted on 03/27/2005 6:33:54 PM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: xzins
To deprive a person of a food tube is one thing; to deprive them of even the possibility of a natural death is murder.

Do I understand you to now concede that removal of the feeding tube is not 'murder' under the heated definitions of the 'physical life at all costs' crowd?

Terri is not a CPR practice dummy who can be kicked hither and yon for the satisfaction of someone else's (strange) views of the 'importance' of her most truncated 'life'. She did not want this. That is, to coin a phrase, clear and convincing. Now, she has endured 15 years(!) of forced feeding and diapers against her will, the last 8 of which are directly attributable to others using our justice system to prolong her life against her will. Enough is enough. She gets to go Home now. Find another poster child for the political 'cause' of endless physical life.

259 posted on 03/27/2005 6:43:13 PM PST by winstonchurchill
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To: winstonchurchill

Only in the sense that sometimes the taking of a feeding tube is appropriate.

In this case, it is not appropriate because there's reason to discredit the impartiality of the spouse and there's reason to discredit the accuracy of the report that Terri Schiavo would have wanted such a thing.


260 posted on 03/27/2005 7:17:43 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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