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Are MS Word's Grammar Checker Well Enough, Professor Asks
NBC5i ^ | March 29, 2005

Posted on 03/30/2005 8:30:57 AM PST by Vision Thing

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To: DelphiUser

Senor Montoya, I need no help with that reference!


61 posted on 03/30/2005 9:24:18 AM PST by Petronski (If Reichskanzler Greer can kill Terri, who will be next?)
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To: SlowBoat407

My hangup (I've been called a word Nazi) is "comprise" vs "compose".


62 posted on 03/30/2005 9:26:25 AM PST by bruin66 (Time: Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once.)
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To: SlowBoat407

I'm with you on the insure/ensure thing. I have a lot of fun with it at work, to be honest.

I also like telling people that they are "quite the gourmand" and then watching as they take it as a compliment.

The apostrophe as denoting a possessive tense is not something anyone under sixty is really going to take note of.

I cringe when I see things like "this is Jess's car" because the extra "s" creates a contraction. But using the MS rule of adding a single "s" without the apostrophe to denote possession does not work with a name such as 'Jess' and it therefore invalidates the 'rule'.

According to MS the possessive tense for the proper noun "Jess" would be "Jesss" or "Jess's" when the correct usage would be "Jess'" with the additional "s" pronounced when spoken but not added to the written word.

I was taught English and grammar in a Catholic school and the nuns veritably beat these rules into me.

And most folks who are over sixty will know these rules by heart because they went to school before liberalism made a mockery of education in this country.


63 posted on 03/30/2005 9:33:50 AM PST by PeterFinn (The Holocaust was perfectly legal.)
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To: Professional Engineer

Mr. Gates insists that punctuation marks fall inside quotation marks. We "struggle". We "fight." I get out my grammar books. Who knows the answer?! (!?)


64 posted on 03/30/2005 9:34:14 AM PST by The Westerner
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To: PeterFinn

"The possessive use, such as its' or Bobs' , is obliterated by spel cheker."

Uh, what the heck is "its'?" Last time I checked, "its" is the possessive of "it" (as in "Look at that house - its roof is on fire!"), which "it's" is a contraction of "it is."


65 posted on 03/30/2005 9:37:37 AM PST by -YYZ-
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To: PeterFinn
Possessive pronoun: His, Hers, Its with no apostrophe.

" Bobs’ " would be saying that there are multiple people named Bob who possess something. "The Bobs' Club" is the club for Bobs.
66 posted on 03/30/2005 9:37:52 AM PST by LexBaird ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats" --Jubal Harshaw (RA Heinlein))
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To: xrp
Too many kids don't know homonyms

Spongebob can fix that.

67 posted on 03/30/2005 9:38:54 AM PST by Larry Lucido (We miss ya, Indie! Law Enforcement Against Prohibition - http://www.leap.cc)
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To: msdrby

"Bobs' car" implies that you have more than one Bob.

That can be true. And then it is plural possessive.


68 posted on 03/30/2005 9:39:39 AM PST by PeterFinn (The Holocaust was perfectly legal.)
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To: The Westerner

My understanding is that puntuation falls inside quotes, however in the IT world quotes are used to designate a literal string of data, and thus most IT people put it outside of the quotes so as not to have to remember two ways to use quotation marks.

For example, imagine an instruction manual that said:

At the login prompt, enter your username and the new password, "MSsucks."

versus

At the login prompt, enter your username and the new password, "gatessucks".

The traditional way will prevent you from logging in.


69 posted on 03/30/2005 9:45:13 AM PST by ko_kyi
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To: Izzy Dunne

"Bob's car" means the car that is possessed by Bob.

Did you ever diagram a sentence? Each part of the sentence must be able to stand by itself in the implied tense.

"Bob's car is green"

Okay. So when you isolate the word "Bob's" what does it mean?

"Bob is" or is it a noun modifier with the noun being "car"?

The rule of contraction dictates that "Bob's" must be a contraction.

Granted, common usage is eliminating this rule but it is never the less a rule of our language that contractions and possessive tense are not denoted with the same usages.

"Bob's a great guy." would be an example of proper usage.


70 posted on 03/30/2005 9:47:53 AM PST by PeterFinn (The Holocaust was perfectly legal.)
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To: Vision Thing

Sandeep, needing perhaps he again is the training , the study of the grammar english as it using the american people. are.


71 posted on 03/30/2005 9:47:56 AM PST by johnb838 (Thy Will, Not Mine, Be Done; No abortion, no euthanazia. NEVER!)
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To: xrp

don' yo be callin me no homo mofo i come bus a cap off in yo ass.


72 posted on 03/30/2005 9:49:24 AM PST by johnb838 (Thy Will, Not Mine, Be Done; No abortion, no euthanazia. NEVER!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Autocorrect really screws with my typing. I don't even realize teh mistaks it ficx es. I dont
' know hat I'sd do without it.


73 posted on 03/30/2005 9:50:43 AM PST by johnb838 (Thy Will, Not Mine, Be Done; No abortion, no euthanazia. NEVER!)
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To: The Westerner
Mr. Gates insists that punctuation marks fall inside quotation marks. We "struggle". We "fight." I get out my grammar books. Who knows the answer?

It depends. Are you quoting a sentence? If so, the associated punctuation goes within the quotes. Bill Gates says, "Do it my way!"

If you are using "scare quotes", or "terminology", the punctuation goes outside.

74 posted on 03/30/2005 9:51:27 AM PST by LexBaird ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats" --Jubal Harshaw (RA Heinlein))
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To: psychoknk

Oh, geez... look if I see the little green line it mentally asks me a question -- is what I just wrote awkward or obviously flawed? Then it's up to me, not to make the little green line go away, but to craft the sentence the way I want it to sound when read.

Doesn't matter anyway. Most of my typing is done here in this little courier text box, and I'm typing in my html by hand.


75 posted on 03/30/2005 9:53:28 AM PST by johnb838 (Thy Will, Not Mine, Be Done; No abortion, no euthanazia. NEVER!)
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To: Vision Thing
I betcha the teacher uses a Mac running OS X on his desk...

couldn't resist...

76 posted on 03/30/2005 9:54:28 AM PST by RedWing9 (No tag here... Just want to stay vague...)
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To: PeterFinn

Uh-huh, and if you said "Bob's a car," it would also be correct, but silly, unless, of course, your car is named Bob!


77 posted on 03/30/2005 9:57:04 AM PST by msdrby (Freedom, by its nature, must be chosen and defended by its citizens.)
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To: MineralMan

YEs. Isn't the apostrophe after the word limited to the posessive with words that end in "S" anyway? Like... Alexis' car.


78 posted on 03/30/2005 9:57:12 AM PST by johnb838 (Thy Will, Not Mine, Be Done; No abortion, no euthanazia. NEVER!)
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To: RedWing9

Yeah, but he's probably running MS Word on that Mac OS X.

If he's a Mac person, he can't escape the long reach of Redmond.


79 posted on 03/30/2005 9:58:27 AM PST by Vision Thing (The Surgeon General has determined that being Democrat is bad for your health.)
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To: msdrby

"Uh-huh, and if you said "Bob's a car," it would also be correct, but silly, unless, of course, your car is named Bob!"

Bob's a silly name for a car. Mine's named Xerxes. That's the '99 Jimmy. The beater, a '95 Dodge Shadow, is called various things, depending on its willingness to start that particular day...


80 posted on 03/30/2005 10:00:59 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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