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Human Starvation Experiments by UNIT 731 of the Japanese Imperial Army (Scientific Results)
Unit 731 of the Imperial Japanese Army; Human Experimentation ^ | 30 March 2005 | AmericanInTokyo (w/references)

Posted on 03/30/2005 7:30:24 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo

IMPERIAL JAPANESE CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY: Witness Account "C" Test How Long a Human Being Could Survive With Just Water and Biscuits

Imperial Japanese Medical Orderly Ishibashi witnessed:

(Translation) "I saw the malnutrition experiments. They were conducted by the project team under the technician Yoshimura. He was a civilian project team under the technician Yoshimura. He was a civilian member of Unit 731. The purpose of the experiments, I believe, was to find out how long a human being could survive just with water and biscuits. Two individuals were used for this experiment. They continuously circled a prescribed course within the grounds of the Unit 731 carrying, approximately, a 20-kilogram sandbag on their backs. One succumbed before the other, but they both ultimately died. The duration of the experiment was about two months. They only received Army biscuits to eat, and water to drink, so they would not have been able to survive for very long. They weren't allowed a lot of sleep either."

also (snip)

"Dehydration Tests

Men, women, and children who became experiment prisoners were mummified alive in total dehydration experiments. They sweated to death under the heat of hot dry fans. At death, their corpses weighed only one-fifth of their normal body weights. Others were electrocuted or boiled alive. "

also (snip)

"Other experiments were not related to germ warfare per se, but transpired so that the doctors could learn more about how humans live and die. These included studies of dehydration, starvation, frostbite, air pressure - some inmates had their eyes blown out - transfusions of animal blood to humans and others.

and (snip)

"Marutas (Chinese inmates imprisoned in the medical facility by the Japanese Army) were denied food or water to determine the maximum length of survival, or mummified alive in total dehydration experiments."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abuse; bread; china; cruelty; dehydration; experiments; harbin; health; imperialists; japan; medicine; pain; pingfang; prisonerabuse; schiavo; starvation; studies; terrischiavo; unit731; water
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Maybe the new US medical studies group "Doctors Without Ethics" would be interested in corrolating and combining various scientific 'medical experimentation' studies on file from the 1930s in Pingfan and Harbin, China, with modern day victims of starvation and dehydration. /sarc

Here is a book they would also enjoy:

Sheesh. In one Japanese sadistic medical experiment, the two innocent victims were given even more nutritional sustenance than Terri Schiavo is currently being given, pushed to the limit of human survival.

May God Have Mercy on our Republic. The Republic which defeated Japanese atrocities such as these.

1 posted on 03/30/2005 7:30:25 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: LegalEagle61; floriduh voter; cyn; amdgmary; dandelion; EternalVigilance

PING


2 posted on 03/30/2005 7:31:41 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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To: Registered; Howlin; Peach; onyx; cyncooper; DCPatriot; lugsoul

Yous guys, too. Ping


3 posted on 03/30/2005 7:34:58 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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To: tomahawk; MHGinTN; Proud_texan; AmericanInTokyo; MizSterious; D Rider; McGavin999; Dreagon

ping, welcome


4 posted on 03/30/2005 7:37:43 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Timely.

Thanks...


5 posted on 03/30/2005 7:40:04 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("I thirst.")
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Actually, I understand that medical researchers still refer to both the Japanese and the German experiments on humans. God willing they'll never be recreated, but so long as the data is there we may as well use it.


6 posted on 03/30/2005 7:40:21 PM PST by elmer fudd
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To: AmericanInTokyo

If you're wondering why people call the Japanese sub-human, here's why.


7 posted on 03/30/2005 7:40:30 PM PST by henderson field
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To: AmericanInTokyo

bump.


8 posted on 03/30/2005 7:40:54 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (one nation. playing God. divided.)
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To: Diogenesis

ping


9 posted on 03/30/2005 7:42:07 PM PST by tomahawk (http://tomahawkblog.blogspot.com/)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I haven't read the article but I'm assuming the people starved had cognitive abilities and weren't PVS. Let's compare apples and oranges some more, shall we.


10 posted on 03/30/2005 7:42:23 PM PST by Peach (I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I am surprised they did not have the foresight to view this humans as "nonpersons" like some of our medical medical ghouls are suggesting we do with patients like Terri. Take the organs while the patient lives--- This entire situation is so sick and depraved.


11 posted on 03/30/2005 7:43:37 PM PST by Virginia Queen (Virginia Queen)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

You better watch it, the "Randroids" and "Inspector Girard" law uber alles crowd will accuse you of hyperbole. B-P


12 posted on 03/30/2005 7:44:17 PM PST by Nowhere Man (I hope you enjoyed your dinner, Terri Schindler can't. B-()
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To: henderson field
My only wonder would be of a fool who thinks the sins of a number of people such as UNIT 731 members and other evil men in the Imperial Army (many dead, many since executed) can be blamed on a whole race of people. But that is for another thread.

This is about starvation and experiments and cruelty...Terri Schiavo...and how, if we as a society are not careful, we will have to end up apologizing to Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan (even though their leaders are in the grave) for fighting against them because of our abhorrence against their principles, at the time, which we vanquished supposedly for all time.

13 posted on 03/30/2005 7:45:21 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Maybe I should just get over it, but stuff like this is why I would rather buy an American brand for a vehicle.


14 posted on 03/30/2005 7:45:28 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland
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To: Peach
So, it's OK to do it to some people?

"Some people are more equal than others"

15 posted on 03/30/2005 7:45:46 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Virginia Queen

Oh, believe you me, the satanic men in Unit 751 and other "experimentation units" classified them as non-persons alright. Otherwise, how could you kill them? The terminology used was not "shujin" (prisoner), or even "chugokujin" (Chinese), but rather--get this (it's sick), as "maruta" (logs).


16 posted on 03/30/2005 7:47:30 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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Hell, some peoples' front lawns are more equal than other people.


17 posted on 03/30/2005 7:47:46 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Nowhere Man
Hyperbole seems to be the word of the week. All historical references to this type of barbarism shall be dismissed as hyperbole.

The way they all do it, it has a creepy, DNC blast-fax kind of feel to it.

18 posted on 03/30/2005 7:48:53 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (one nation. playing God. divided.)
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To: Nowhere Man
As if I care. :-) Thanks for the warning, though.
19 posted on 03/30/2005 7:49:08 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
you can be forgiven. and, pretty soon, you may have to boycott American vehicles, too (at least those made in the states of Florida (Governor Greer), and Georgia (Federal District Court). /sarc
20 posted on 03/30/2005 7:50:57 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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Put the right label on someone and it becomes possible not only to legally neglect and deliberately murder the innocent without so much as a jury trial, but it's also possible to force other people to neglect them, too, even their families at the point of a gun.

Welcome to Floriduh.

21 posted on 03/30/2005 7:50:59 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: piasa
Life Unworthy of Life

Leben unwürdig vom Leben

Ikiru Ryu Ga Nai Inochi

22 posted on 03/30/2005 7:52:42 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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To: Peach; AmericanInTokyo

Gee, how much better we are to torture the helpless, instead of the "able-bodied." Sorry, Peach, that's a really lousy argument.


23 posted on 03/30/2005 7:52:49 PM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Sorry, AIT. Comparing the U.S. government to the Imperial Japanese is over the top. You may as well compare that hospice to a North Korean prison camp.

Florida is a free state in a free country, and the people of Florida set their own standards of due process. You and I might not agree with their standards, or the result of the case, but this decision wasn't reached lightly, and will probably result in the laws of Florida being changed. She's not being bayonneted for fun, or serving as a test subject for chemical weapons.

Comparing her isolated tragedy to that of a deliberate, calculating war crimes against the populaces of entire cities is insult to the countless victims of the Imperial Japanese.

24 posted on 03/30/2005 7:53:08 PM PST by Steel Wolf (Try new Free Republic Lite! - Lite on reason, but with 1000% more hyperbole!)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

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25 posted on 03/30/2005 7:53:50 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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To: piasa
So, it's OK to do it to some people?

They're not people. They're apples and oranges.

26 posted on 03/30/2005 7:54:01 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (one nation. playing God. divided.)
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To: Steel Wolf
Since I'm not the one being starved to death, I cannot speak for Terri.

I can only imagine the current pain she is going through.

I can imagine it might not be too different from the final moments of consciousness and cognizance and pain recognition as the 'maruta's in Heiliungjang/Northeast China under Dai Nippon Teikoku. Sorry.

Quite frankly, I don't like it when elements of my country, such as Judge Greer and other courts, adopt North Korean values, and those I expect to fight and prevail against those, don't deliver.

27 posted on 03/30/2005 7:57:05 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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To: Nowhere Man
You better watch it, the "Randroids" and "Inspector Girard" law uber alles crowd will accuse you of hyperbole.

If you can't see this as hyperbole, you either have no grasp of history, or have temporarily lost it due to being overwhelmed by emotion.

Go read this and then get back to me about how the U.S. government is so much like the Imperial Japanese.

28 posted on 03/30/2005 8:01:36 PM PST by Steel Wolf (Try new Free Republic Lite! - Lite on reason, but with 1000% more hyperbole!)
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To: MizSterious

If you cannot see the difference between starving people who are living vs. people who have no cognitive abilities, a flat EEG, a cerebral cortex that is simly gone and someone who is PVS, then we simply have nothing to discuss.

Tell me, are you opposed to feeding tubes being removed for everyone? Because they are removed from terminally ill patients every day of the week. And they have a lot more feeling than Terri. And they are removed from massive stroke victims every day of the week. The list is a long one.


29 posted on 03/30/2005 8:05:38 PM PST by Peach (I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

bump


30 posted on 03/30/2005 8:06:37 PM PST by fso301
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To: piasa

Who said anything about some people being more equal than others? Please do not put words in my mouth. If you can't argue your case without doing that, you must not have much of a case.


31 posted on 03/30/2005 8:06:39 PM PST by Peach (I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: Steel Wolf

The scale and dimension observations are right and your comparatives make sense; however the underlying premise and social moral, is really the same. That is what is dangerous about it. Unit 731 did not happen overnight. It took years to get to that place, as did Zyclon B gas in the German gas chambers...a study of the slow, slow advance toward this situation, where it's roots were, political, moral, cultural, in the slow but sure denial of the individual and the strengthening of power of the state to put to death those it did not think were worthy of life or too costly, is a worthy study IMHO.


32 posted on 03/30/2005 8:16:57 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
The way they all do it, it has a creepy, DNC blast-fax kind of feel to it.

Dang, and they accused me of acting like a DU'er. B-P Well, as they say, look in the mirror. I really don't want to skewer anyone but it is sad that miss the whole picture here.
33 posted on 03/30/2005 8:17:23 PM PST by Nowhere Man (I hope you enjoyed your dinner, Terri Schindler can't. B-()
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To: AmericanInTokyo
As if I care. :-) Thanks for the warning, though.

Anytime. Like you, I don't care, I know where I stand at least.

I look at it this way, I'm a big fan of Harry Potter and I take this saying by Albus Dumbledore (the headmaster at Hogwarts) to heart, "it takes courage to stand up to the enemy but it takes greater courage to stand up to your friends when they are wrong."
34 posted on 03/30/2005 8:21:11 PM PST by Nowhere Man (I hope you enjoyed your dinner, Terri Schindler can't. B-()
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To: Steel Wolf

Well, at first it takes one, then a few, then many, and then much more, we are on a slippery slope my friend.


35 posted on 03/30/2005 8:23:07 PM PST by Nowhere Man (I hope you enjoyed your dinner, Terri Schindler can't. B-()
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To: Nowhere Man

I have a lot of friends here on FR, and of course most of them, almost all of them, I've never 'met'. And yet, now I am getting in a doosy of an argument with some of them on Terri Schiavo, Judicial Tyranny and Executive/Legislative Inaction. Life and Death. It is interesting though that the great majority of FReepers who thought similiarly to me on human rights issus in a foreign policy context, are lock step with me on Terri. I can handle a difference of opinions,, though. We are all grown ups. After all, on the same side of the issue, or not, at the end of the day, we are all still 'friends'.


36 posted on 03/30/2005 8:25:06 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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To: Peach

I'm not going to flame you because I believe that there has been far too much of it going on around FR already. I just want to point out that doctors have acknowledged that they aren't entirely sure what is going on inside the head of a PVS patient. That is why they've given Terri morphine. They don't think that she feels pain, but they don't want to take any chances. Because of that, I don't think that it's unreasonable to conclude that there is a chance that she has awareness and that she might be suffering due to the dehydration/starvation process.


37 posted on 03/30/2005 8:25:32 PM PST by SilentServiceCPOWife ("It's a good life...if you don't weaken." - - my grandmother)
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To: Nowhere Man
Damn straight! Just as individuals feel perhaps a little nervous about their first murder, after a while, it 'get's easier' and they don't feel as much. The same, growing insensitive sentiment applies to the Government being able to murder innocent citizens, if we don't watch it. Afer all, government is just people, humans, a collective of human beings, running it with value judgements and moral assessments. Government will necessarily reflect human nature in it's behavior. Human nature is pretty much established when it comes to people committing multiple murders and desensitivity. The next Terri Schiavo won't have as much an uproar, and more and more people may be silent; the government will see this as their cue that they cannot be stopped, that no men of moral power stand in their way. It wouldn't be the first time in modern world history.
38 posted on 03/30/2005 8:29:18 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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To: Steel Wolf

"Comparing her isolated tragedy to that of a deliberate, calculating war crimes against the populaces of entire cities is insult to the countless victims of the Imperial Japanese."

I don't view the comparison as an insult. I view the comparison as a statement on where our culture is and where it is going.
I see the enemy to our way of life and it is us.


39 posted on 03/30/2005 8:29:46 PM PST by Virginia Queen (Virginia Queen)
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To: Steel Wolf
...the people of Florida set their own standards of due process. You and I might not agree with their standards, or the result of the case, but this decision wasn't reached lightly, and will probably result in the laws of Florida being changed. She's not being bayonneted for fun, or serving as a test for chemical weapons.

On what basis do you morally condemn the Imperial Japanese experiments? After all they set their own standards, didn't they? You and I might not agree with their standards, or the results of their experiments, but I'm sure their decision to experiment on human beings and kill them was not reached lightly.

If the decision of a State court judge to dehydrate and starve to death a U.S. citizen to death was not taken lightly, then what's wrong with it? Why is it 'tragic' to you, since it was purportedly done with due process?

Cordially,

40 posted on 03/30/2005 8:30:16 PM PST by Diamond (Qui liberatio scelestus trucido inculpatus.)
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To: Diamond
I'm out of my league now!

That was a good one.

Goodnight folks, going to bed early (it's 8:30 p.m. now). Take care. I hope to see Steel Wolf's and others' inputs tomorrow some time.

Pray for Terri. This may be her last night on earth and the first night of a terrible new reign of Judicial Tyranny in our land. I hope it is a better dawn tomorrow, I'll hope for that at the very least, but I fear it may well bring bitter news. Good night.

41 posted on 03/30/2005 8:34:53 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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To: Steel Wolf

"Bluntly stated, most bioethicists do not believe that membership in the human species accords any of us intrinsic moral worth. Rather, what matters is whether “a being” or “an organism,” or even a machine, is a “person,” a status achieved by having sufficient cognitive capacities. Those who don’t measure up are denigrated as “non-persons.”

Allen’s perspective is in fact relatively conservative within the mainstream bioethics movement. He is apparently willing to accept that “minimal awareness would support some criterion of personhood” — although he doesn’t say that awareness is determinative. Most of his colleagues are not so reticent. To them, it isn’t sentience per se that matters but rather demonstrable rationality.

Thus Peter Singer of Princeton argues that unless an organism is self-aware over time, the entity in question is a non-person. The British academic John Harris, the Sir David Alliance professor of bioethics at the University of Manchester, England, has defined a person as “a creature capable of valuing its own existence.” Other bioethicists argue that the basic threshold of personhood should include the capacity to experience desire."

You see where these people with warped minds are trying to take us. God help those who are helpless, or disfigured, or less than perfect in so many ways. They, too, will be unplugged one day.


42 posted on 03/30/2005 8:35:38 PM PST by Virginia Queen (Virginia Queen)
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To: Peach
Show me the documentation of " no cognitive abilities, a flat EEG, a cerebral cortex that is simly gone and someone who is PVS..."

Without this INDEPENDENT, SUPPORTING documentation, from someone other than a doctor noted for his love of euthanasia, it's MURDER! Another T-4 program by the Socialists.

And, even the liberals are starting to get a little squeamish. Odd that we haven't seen any tape of her lately. TS looks like a "musselmann" from 60 years ago...

It's interesting to see this sorting between those who kill because they have to and those who kill because they enjoy it...

43 posted on 03/30/2005 8:35:50 PM PST by jonascord (What is better than the wind at 6 O'Clock on the 600 yard line?)
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To: SilentServiceCPOWife

The medical standards continue to evolve. We saw Doctor Healey (sp?) on TV last night - from somewhere I thought she was a former surgeon general or nominee for that position - and she flatly stated as fact that there have been new standards developed since Terri was declared PVS. She also expressed her opinion that the new standards should be applied to anybody who is about to have a feeding tube removed.

Sadly, Terri's tube was removed based on application of something other than the most recent standards.


44 posted on 03/30/2005 8:46:12 PM PST by Kryptonite
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I have a lot of friends here on FR, and of course most of them, almost all of them, I've never 'met'. And yet, now I am getting in a doosy of an argument with some of them on Terri Schiavo, Judicial Tyranny and Executive/Legislative Inaction. Life and Death. It is interesting though that the great majority of FReepers who thought similiarly to me on human rights issus in a foreign policy context, are lock step with me on Terri. I can handle a difference of opinions,, though. We are all grown ups. After all, on the same side of the issue, or not, at the end of the day, we are all still 'friends'.

Me too, I think most Freepers are with us on the Terri Schindler case. What's funny about this case though is that it crosses ideology, there are some liberals on our side. On one forum with this issue, even a few others I butt heads with are on our side, heck even one feminist is on my side too. It's weird though, on this, I have more in common with some feminists on this issue than the few Freepers that oppose me. B-)
45 posted on 03/30/2005 8:46:20 PM PST by Nowhere Man (I hope you enjoyed your dinner, Terri Schindler can't. B-()
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To: Peach
Your comments in regard to terminally ill patients do not apply to Terri Schiavo. The only terminal aspect is that which has been imposed forcibly upon this woman.

You are, to say the least, presumptive in deeming her PVS - as have demonstrably been others.

She is cognitive. And if there is doubt - then it is only right and proper to error on the side of life and Faith.

You are free to ensure that your standards are eminently applied to yourself - yourself - down the road.

46 posted on 03/30/2005 8:51:29 PM PST by mtntop3 ("He who must know before he believes will never come to full knowledge.")
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To: Steel Wolf
In a "free state, in a free country", a law passed by a duly elected state legislature and signed by a duly elected governor could not be twisted, gutted and ignored by judicial fiat. In a "free state, in a free country", a law passed by a duly elected majority of Congress and signed by a duly elected President could not be twisted, gutted and ignored by judicial fiat. In a "free state, in a free country", a duly elected governor could not be prevented from exercising his lawful authority by the whims of a low-level probate judge.

The laws of Florida, and of the United States of America, were changed. In a free state, in a free country, our masters in black robes would not be permitted to ignore that fact. If anything, the comparison of the U.S. government to the Imperial Japanese is weak. At least the Japanese had the excuse that they were involved in an all-consuming war. The government of a "free state, in a free country", in a time of relative peace and prosperity, stands idly by and permits the cold-blooded killing of an innocent woman for no reason whatsoever. That, my friend, is "over the top".

47 posted on 03/30/2005 9:30:28 PM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel ("Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - Groucho Marx)
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To: Peach

Someone with a flat EEG is unable to perform even involuntary functions, such as breathing, digesting, circulating blood, etc., etc. It would be impossible to "starve" anyone with a flat EEG, as such a person would be unable to process nutrients even if they were provided.


48 posted on 03/30/2005 9:35:09 PM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel ("Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - Groucho Marx)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

We should already apologize. Social darwinism has arrived.


49 posted on 03/30/2005 9:36:32 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

They all should of been killed !!Them and the entire Nippon army then bombed back to the wood plow.


50 posted on 03/30/2005 9:45:43 PM PST by Fast1 (Destroy America buy Chinese goods,Shop at Wal-Mart 3/18/05 American was gone when I woke up)
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