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Some See Roots of Compassion in a Toothless Fossil Skull
New York Times ^ | April 6, 2005 | JOHN NOBLE WILFORD

Posted on 04/06/2005 12:13:36 PM PDT by CobaltBlue

The toothless skull of an early human ancestor, discovered in the Republic of Georgia, may attest to evolution's oldest known example of some kind of compassion for the elderly and handicapped in society, scientists are reporting today.

Other experts agreed that the discovery was significant, but cautioned that it might be a stretch to interpret the fossil as evidence of compassion.

The well-preserved skull belonged to a male Homo erectus about 40 years old. All his teeth, except the left canine, were missing. The empty tooth sockets had been filled in by a regrowth of bone, the scientists said, indicating that the man had been toothless for at least two years before he died at what was then an old age. (The discoverers call him the "old man.")

In a report in today's issue of the journal Nature, the discovery team said the 1.77-million-year-old skull "raises questions about alternative subsistence strategies in early Homo."

Specifically, how could the man have survived that long, unable to chew the food of a mainly meat-eating society?

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: compassion; evolution; fossils; georgia; skulls
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To: Old Professer

>> Well, at least there wasn't a funnel and hollow tube lying around. <<

They took it away. That's why he died. Damned liberals.


21 posted on 04/06/2005 1:35:24 PM PDT by dangus
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To: orionblamblam

Do not confuse rational with logical. By "not rational," I simply meant the lack of a cognitive thought process. The dog isn't saying, "I'll be nice to this guy, he gets me my food." He's simply saying, "Oooh! Goody! Food Guy! I LOVE food guy!"


22 posted on 04/06/2005 1:38:19 PM PDT by dangus
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To: CobaltBlue

I've got to say that the scientists involved in this speculation don't seem to have spent much time around the toothless.

Babies and elderly people who need a ground/mashed diet need it because other textures pose a choking hazard. Many an old party will happily gum away on just about anything. The difficulty is in the embarrassment factor at mealtimes. I doubt the creatures under discussion gave table manners much thought.


23 posted on 04/06/2005 1:41:41 PM PDT by Gingersnap
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To: ClearCase_guy
Fossil record backs up this theory about as well as it backs up the compassion theory.

It's hilarious how they find a fragment of bone and invent an entire species and culture - down to what they ate, wore, and did for fun - and then they have the audacity to call it science. They just make crap up.

24 posted on 04/06/2005 1:45:18 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Gingersnap

I think the key factor in the analysis is that the person in question lived in Georgia, a country just south of Russia, with a climate which is very cold in the winter, well below freezing.

1.77 million years ago predates agriculture by quite a bit, by about 1.76 million years or so.

Modern toothless humans can eat ice cream, cereal, baby food, crackers, bread, etc. These did not exist 1.77 million years ago. So, what did he eat?


25 posted on 04/06/2005 1:48:11 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defence of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Spiff

Well, what did people eat 1.77 million years ago? Any suggestions?


26 posted on 04/06/2005 1:48:59 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defence of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: CobaltBlue

Maybe this guy was helped by his tribe-mates or maybe he just survived on raw meat. Cut in small pieces it's pretty easy to swallow.


27 posted on 04/06/2005 1:50:49 PM PDT by Varda
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To: orionblamblam

Yeah, but what about dogs who haven't been told about the lives of feral dogs??
susie


28 posted on 04/06/2005 1:58:24 PM PDT by brytlea
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To: CobaltBlue
Modern toothless humans can eat ice cream, cereal, baby food, crackers, bread, etc. These did not exist 1.77 million years ago. So, what did he eat? Cream of mammoth? susie
29 posted on 04/06/2005 2:00:38 PM PDT by brytlea
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To: CobaltBlue

I suppose they ate meat if they could catch it, I suspect they ate bugs and grubs and things, nuts, fruits, things they could gather (in season). I suspect someone did chew some of his food for him. Ick, I would prefer a blender.
susie


30 posted on 04/06/2005 2:01:59 PM PDT by brytlea
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To: CobaltBlue
"Any suggestions?"

Really big rabbits.

31 posted on 04/06/2005 2:28:22 PM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: CobaltBlue
Modern toothless humans can eat ice cream, cereal, baby food, crackers, bread, etc. These did not exist 1.77 million years ago. So, what did he eat?

Well, some of my older relatives had no trouble with meat, it just took a while. They could also handle dried prunes and raisins if they were soaked in something. Fish was no problem.

While my relatives didn't go in for it, I'm sure grubs and insects would be okay along with mashed tubers. Meat is nothing compared to peanut brittle and my great uncle practically lived off the stuff.
32 posted on 04/06/2005 2:40:17 PM PDT by Gingersnap
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To: Gingersnap

I guess I just don't know enough people without their own teeth?

I would venture some sort of comment about trailer parks or rednecks but not knowing you very well don't know if you'd laugh or get mad at me. ;^)


33 posted on 04/06/2005 2:43:19 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defence of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: CobaltBlue
I guess I just don't know enough people without their own teeth? I would venture some sort of comment about trailer parks or rednecks but not knowing you very well don't know if you'd laugh or get mad at me. ;^)

I'd laugh (while I cleaned my shotgun).
34 posted on 04/06/2005 2:46:21 PM PDT by Gingersnap
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To: Gingersnap

OK, laughter is good. Clean shotguns are good.

(tiptoeing away quietly . . . . )


35 posted on 04/06/2005 2:50:30 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defence of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: CobaltBlue
Stranger In A New Land


36 posted on 04/06/2005 2:51:52 PM PDT by blam
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To: dangus

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37 posted on 04/06/2005 3:05:06 PM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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"strategies in early Homo"

And his teeth were knocked out? I won't say it.


38 posted on 04/06/2005 10:42:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Friday, March 25, 2005.)
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39 posted on 04/06/2005 10:44:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Friday, March 25, 2005.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Ditto to that !!


40 posted on 04/07/2005 3:40:12 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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