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Chinese begin to worry U.S. militarily
NewYork Times via IRN News.com ^ | April 9, 2005 | Jim Yardley and Thom Shanker

Posted on 04/08/2005 10:59:40 PM PDT by WmShirerAdmirer

ZHANJIANG, China When the flagship of the U.S. Navy's 7th Fleet came into view on a recent Monday afternoon, a Chinese naval band onshore quickly began playing as two rows of Chinese sailors snapped into formation and workers hurriedly finished tacking down a red carpet.

The command ship, the Blue Ridge, answered with music from its own band and raised a Chinese flag below Old Glory.

But the most apt symbolism in the stagecraft of the ceremonial visit came when the two navies staged a tug-of-war - evoking their emerging competition in East Asia.

While the American military is consumed with wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, global terrorism, and the threat of nuclear proliferation in North Korea and Iran, China is presenting a new and strategically different security concern to America in the western Pacific, as well as to Japan and Taiwan, Pentagon and military officials say.

China, these officials say, has smartly analyzed the strengths and weaknesses of the American military and focused its growing defense spending on weapons systems that could exploit the perceived weaknesses in case the United States ever needs to respond to fighting in Taiwan.

This rapid military modernization is the major reason President George W. Bush has warned the European Union not to lift its arms embargo against China.

A decade ago, U.S. military planners dismissed the threat of a Chinese attack against Taiwan as a 160-kilometer infantry swim. Now, the Pentagon believes that China has purchased or built enough amphibious assault ships, submarines, fighter jets and short-range missiles to pose an immediate threat to Taiwan and to any American force that might come to Taiwan's aid.

Even the most hawkish officials at the Pentagon do not believe China is preparing for an imminent invasion of Taiwan. Nor do analysts believe China is any match for the United States military.

But as neighboring North Korea is erratically trying to play the nuclear card, China is quietly challenging America's reach in the western Pacific by concentrating strategically on conventional forces.

"They are building their force to deter and delay our ability to intervene in a Taiwan crisis," said Eric McVadon, a former military attaché at the U.S. Embassy in Beijing. "What they have done is cleverly develop some capabilities that have the prospect of attacking our niche vulnerabilities."

Japan, America's closest ally in East Asia, and China's rival for regional dominance, is also watching China's buildup. Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi echoed Bush by warning Europe against removing the arms embargo. A think tank affiliated with Japan's Defense Ministry criticized China's increased military spending and warned it was rushing to prepare for possible conflict with Taiwan - an assertion China sharply denied.

The growing friction between Japan and China, fueled by rising nationalism in both countries, is just one of the political developments exacerbating tensions in East Asia.

In March, China passed a controversial new "anti-secession" law authorizing a military attack if top leaders believe Taiwan moves too far toward independence - a move that brought hundreds of thousands of people in Taiwan out in protest last month.

China's most recent military white paper also alarmed U.S. policymakers because it mentioned the United States by name for the first time since 1998. It stated that the American presence in the region "complicated security factors."

China, meanwhile, blamed the United States and Japan for meddling in a domestic Chinese matter when those two countries recently issued a security statement that listed peace in Taiwan as a "common strategic objective."

"The potential for a miscalculation or an incident here has actually increased, just based on the rhetoric over the past six months to a year," one U.S. intelligence analyst in Washington said.

At the welcoming ceremony for the Blue Ridge here at the hometown of China's South Sea Fleet, the American commanding officer, Captain J. Stephen Maynard, and his Chinese counterpart, Senior Captain Wen Rulang, sidestepped questions about the anti-secession law and military tensions.

Wen, Asked about China's military buildup and how America should view it, praised the U.S. Navy as the most modern in the world.

"As for China," he said, "our desire is to upgrade China's self-defense capabilities."

But in China's view, self-defense involves Taiwan, which it regards as a breakaway province and which the United States has, by treaty, suggested it would help defend. In 1996, when China fired missiles in warning over the Taiwan Strait prior to Taiwanese elections, President Bill Clinton responded by sending a battle group to a position near Taiwan. Then, China could do nothing about it. Now, analysts say, it can.

In fact, U.S. carriers responding to a crisis would now initially have to operate at least 800 kilometers, or 500 miles, from Taiwan, which would reduce the number of jet fighter sorties they could launch and cut their loiter time in international airspace near Taiwan.

This is because China now has a modernizing fleet of submarines, including new Russian-made nuclear subs that can fire antiship missiles from a submerged position. America would first need to subdue these submarines before moving ships close to Taiwan.

China launched 13 attack submarines between 2002 and 2004, a period when it also built 23 ships that can ferry armored vehicles and troops across the 160-kilometer-wide strip of water to Taiwan.

"Their amphibious assault ship building alone equals the entire U.S. navy shipbuilding since 2002," said an intelligence official in Washington. "It definitely represents a significant increase in overall capacity."

In the worse-case scenario for a Taiwan crisis, any delay in U.S. carriers reaching the island would mean that the United States would initially depend on fighter jets and bombers stationed on Guam and Okinawa, while Chinese forces could use their amphibious ships to traverse the narrow Strait. Some U.S. military analysts believe China could now defeat Taiwan before America could arrive at the scene.

Thom Shanker reported from Washington.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; chinesemilitary; military; taiwan; us
But in China's view, self-defense involves Taiwan, which it regards as a breakaway province and which the United States has, by treaty, suggested it would help defend. In 1996, when China fired missiles in warning over the Taiwan Strait prior to Taiwanese elections, President Bill Clinton responded by sending a battle group to a position near Taiwan. Then, China could do nothing about it. Now, analysts say, it can.

What else could Clinton do to his "best buds" back then other then let them roam around our defense facilities taking notes. Again we're going to have to confront a much more serious problem and deadlier enemy now then we would have back in the 90s.

1 posted on 04/08/2005 10:59:41 PM PDT by WmShirerAdmirer
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

Posted twice previously since yesterday.


2 posted on 04/08/2005 11:02:07 PM PDT by A Simple Soldier
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To: A Simple Soldier

Sorry hadn't realized. Found it published in INRI via the International Herald and then discovered it came from the NYTimes. Forgot to do a search, thought IRNI too obscure.
Thanks for the note.


3 posted on 04/08/2005 11:06:39 PM PDT by WmShirerAdmirer
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

Don't be paranoid. China is just a third world country, and it's military budget is just a small portion of US's. I never worry about China's military.


4 posted on 04/08/2005 11:17:40 PM PDT by Pussy_Cat
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To: Pussy_Cat
Don't be paranoid. China is just a third world country, and it's military budget is just a small portion of US's. I never worry about China's military.

Did you forget the /sarcasm

5 posted on 04/08/2005 11:25:04 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

Sounds dubious to me. The US has subs too. Moving that many men across the straits is a huge endeavor, that I think requires a rather decisive mastery of the sea and air to accomplish. But this is outside what I know. It is a guess.


7 posted on 04/08/2005 11:31:20 PM PDT by Torie
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To: A_Conservative_Chinese

No offense, but it seems to me, that alot of Taiwanese are not concerned about their democracy. I get into this argument every now and again on here, but Taiwan has not passed the special defense package proposed by President Bush in 2001. That's 4 years. I realize that Taiwan has made some other defense purchases but I fear that Taiwan is too reliant on the U.S. to come and defend it. Taiwan is closer to Canada than Israel when it comes to defending itself and relying on the U.S. I realize those are tough words, but when I see things like this:

http://www.etaiwannews.com/Taiwan/Politics/2005/04/09/1113014790.htm

and

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2005/04/09/2003249739

It really makes me wonder. Does Taiwan really want 'democracy' or is it just willing to fight to the last U.S. soldier for it?


8 posted on 04/08/2005 11:41:40 PM PDT by panzer_grey
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To: panzer_grey

Taiwan just needs a few nukes, like Israel.


9 posted on 04/08/2005 11:43:03 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie

Moving all that Walmart merchandise across the ocean is a huge endeavor too, but they seem to manage.


10 posted on 04/08/2005 11:43:51 PM PDT by ordinaryguy
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

When was Chinas last military action involving sea fighting?


11 posted on 04/08/2005 11:49:24 PM PDT by Tiger Smack (http://www.tigersmack.com <------- for LSU & SEC sports/news/politics)
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To: Tiger Smack

China used to have the finest navy and seamen on this planet, until an emperor ordered it put to the torch. That was about 600 years ago or so, plus or minus.


12 posted on 04/08/2005 11:52:25 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Tiger Smack
When was Chinas last military action involving sea fighting?

How ironic. Just about exactly 100 years ago, Russia was asking the same question re the Japanese fleet.

13 posted on 04/08/2005 11:58:08 PM PDT by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC (The heart of the wise man inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. - Eccl. 10:2)
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To: A_Conservative_Chinese
Not to worry, the US (and now possibly Japan) will come to the aid of Taiwan. The ChiCom military is 98% 2nd rate junk. The other 2% is first rate junk. They have a total of 25 amphibious ships, none of which have any missiles for defense, or any ECM capabilities.
As to their wonderful submarines, this is a description from globalsecurity.org about that sub they sent near Japan. "The Han-class SSNs are noted for problems, including high internal radiation levels and an inability to fire missiles while submerged, which compromise their operational effectiveness and their wartime utility against ASW-competent adversaries. The lead boats (401 & 402?) suffered radiation problems which were thought to have been solved after extensive refit. But since the late 1990s they appeared to have become inoperational."
14 posted on 04/09/2005 12:00:04 AM PDT by ProudVet77 (It's boogitty boogitty boogitty season!)
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To: Pussy_Cat

Once again the NYTIMES makes our enmeies seem more potent than they actually are to depress our morale.

Remember how they made the Soviets sound unchallengable? Remeber all the Saddam had "the 4th largest army in the world", and the "US is preparing 20000 body bags".

The Chinese military is a paper tiger, military success depend on soldiers who are committed, focused, disciplined, and determined. None of which describes the current makeup of the Chinese Army. China is suffocating under its own corruption.


15 posted on 04/09/2005 12:08:30 AM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: Pussy_Cat

China's military budget is assumed to be in the top 10, following US, Russia, and Japan. Meanwhile, US military officials and Japanese military officials believe that the military budget is probably double of what China officials have claimed.


16 posted on 04/09/2005 12:51:58 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

USS BLUERIDGE, LCC 19.

17 posted on 04/09/2005 2:11:48 AM PDT by Enterprise (Abortion and "euthanasia" - the twin destroyers of the Democrat Party.)
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC

Thanks for answering that question. I concur. Need to research for the answer in regards to China. Thought crossed my mind though, does anyone really think this is going to be a sea battle event?


18 posted on 04/09/2005 11:01:40 AM PDT by WmShirerAdmirer
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To: ProudVet77
Thanks for the researched answer. I for one personally didn't know where they (China) stand in armaments.
19 posted on 04/09/2005 11:05:44 AM PDT by WmShirerAdmirer
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To: Truthsearcher
military success depend on soldiers who are committed, focused, disciplined, and determined. None of which describes the current makeup of the Chinese Army.

Just give them a few more years and their soldiers will have plenty of motivation to fight fiercely when they invade their neighbors. Years of the state-enforced "one child policy" resulted in tens of millions of parents using ultrasound results to abort female babies in favor of male babies, so that the next generation to come of age will be something like 100 males for every 80 females.

Imagine for a moment - in the coming decade, being a resident of a small, weak nation sharing borders with this behemoth superpower with a huge army full of young men who have no hope of ever finding a mate within their own country!

20 posted on 04/10/2005 4:09:21 PM PDT by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC (The heart of the wise man inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. - Eccl. 10:2)
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