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Los Angeles Daily News ^ | April 23, 2005 | Lisa M. Sodders and Brent Hopkins

Posted on 04/23/2005 2:59:18 PM PDT by La Enchiladita

Saturday, April 23, 2005 - Cranky schoolchildren, electronic chaos and increased sales of double espressos -- those are just some of the effects that would ripple through Americans' lives under a plan moving through Congress to extend daylight-saving time by two months a year.

Under the plan that was approved by the House of Representatives and sent to the Senate, California and other states would "spring forward" in March rather than April and "fall back" in November rather than October.

"It's gonna be chaos, man," said Viken Fermanian, owner of Salco Services, an electronics repair shop in Granada Hills, predicting there would be no easy fix to the daylight-saving time change hard-wired into everything from wristwatches to VCRs.

While computer software can be reprogrammed to accommodate different dates, hardware presents a trickier problem.

"The worst thing that'll happen is (the device will) change the time for you, but it'll be the wrong time. If Congress changes the date, you'll get every electronics manufacturer scrambling to change their processors," he said.

But supporters of the plan -- tucked into a sweeping federal energy bill approved by the House this week -- note that any drawbacks would be outweighed by the energy savings provided by maximizing daylight hours.

"It's the most painless way to save any energy at all, and it has some other advantages: It reduces crime and traffic accidents," said Rep. Brad Sherman, D-Sherman Oaks.

Sherman and other supporters cite Department of Transportation studies from the mid-1970s that found such a move could save the equivalent of 100,000 barrels of oil each day that daylight-saving time is extended.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailynews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: daylightsavingtime; dst; energy; energybill; tinkeringwithtime
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1 posted on 04/23/2005 2:59:18 PM PDT by La Enchiladita
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To: La Enchiladita

Why dont we just leave it a half hour ahead and not change it anymore?


2 posted on 04/23/2005 3:01:55 PM PDT by mlmr (The Culture of Death will get a lot more deadly before it's done.)
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To: La Enchiladita
Cranky schoolchildren, electronic chaos and increased sales of double espressos -- those are just some of the effects that would ripple through Americans' lives under a plan moving through Congress to extend daylight-saving time by two months a year.

Doom and Gloom doesn't work anymore thus the LA Times loss of revenue.

3 posted on 04/23/2005 3:02:45 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: La Enchiladita

yes, please!

i like daylight savings time.


4 posted on 04/23/2005 3:03:38 PM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: EGPWS
Los Angeles Daily News
5 posted on 04/23/2005 3:04:10 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Extra omnea!)
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To: mlmr
Why dont we just leave it a half hour ahead and not change it anymore?

Wasn't it Einstein who said all is relative?

6 posted on 04/23/2005 3:04:53 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: La Enchiladita
The change in the fall is about a month after the equinox, whereas the change in the spring is after the equinox...it would make better sense to have the "spring forward" date the last Sunday in February, and keep the "fall back" date where it is now.

The problem in the middle of summer is that it gets light too early...maybe we should have double daylight time (two hours ahead of standard time) for a couple of months around the summer solstice. That would give us a lot of daylight in the evenings...perhaps too much for families with young children.

7 posted on 04/23/2005 3:05:30 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: La Enchiladita
Los Angeles Daily News

Thank you for the correction my FRiend however my statement still stands. ; )

8 posted on 04/23/2005 3:06:17 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: Verginius Rufus

It would make better sense to have standard time all the time. I hate daylight savings time. I'm NOT a morning person and your proposal to "spring forward" in February would mean getting up in darkness more months. ARGHHH...!!

I think this legislation is insane. Couldn't Congress be working on matters of importance?


9 posted on 04/23/2005 3:12:04 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Extra omnea!)
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To: La Enchiladita

We tried this schitt in the 70's. November, northern Michigan, sunrise 8:30 am.


10 posted on 04/23/2005 3:12:46 PM PDT by j_tull
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To: La Enchiladita

Forget daylight savings time. Get back on standard time and leave it alone. DST is a joke.


11 posted on 04/23/2005 3:13:46 PM PDT by taxesareforever
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To: taxesareforever
THANK YOU!!
12 posted on 04/23/2005 3:14:38 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Extra omnea!)
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To: ken21

So do I. I've never understood why we didn't need that extra hour of daylight in the winter.


13 posted on 04/23/2005 3:16:13 PM PDT by proudofthesouth (Boycotting movies since 1988)
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To: Verginius Rufus
At least by moving the "spring forward" date these would never hit the Christian holy days of Palm Sunday or Easter (for both Western rite and Orthodox). Under the present scheme these days are often the morning after time change.

Actually I've often thought that under this present scheme "spring forward" ought to be the April 15, irrespective of the day of the week. Makes sense for the government edict to pick out pockets and deprive us of one hour's sleep all on the same day.
14 posted on 04/23/2005 3:16:46 PM PDT by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
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To: taxesareforever
Forget daylight savings time. Get back on standard time and leave it alone. DST is a joke.

Why can't we all agree to get up an hour earlier and leave the dang clocks alone?

15 posted on 04/23/2005 3:17:21 PM PDT by stboz
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To: lightman

Arizona is the only state to defy the "government edict" so far. Maybe other states should consider defiance. This is hideous. Get outa my clock, Big Brother!


16 posted on 04/23/2005 3:19:06 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Extra omnea!)
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To: La Enchiladita
"Get back on standard time and leave it alone. DST is a joke"

Amen! this switching the clocks and pretending to fool anyone is just about the stupidest thing we've done this century... almost....

17 posted on 04/23/2005 3:30:15 PM PDT by Lloyd227 (American Forces armed with what? Spit balls?)
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To: La Enchiladita

Arizona is right. They long ago realize the extra hour of daylight would burn the crops and upset the chickens egg laying schedule.

It's anti-productive...


18 posted on 04/23/2005 3:31:20 PM PDT by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and you will find the face of Islam...)
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To: La Enchiladita

How is this supposed to save energy when in Texas, in the summer, you have to run your A/C almost 24 hours a day regardless of what the clock says? Whether the sun sets at 8PM or 9PM make no difference when the temperatue is still going to swing between 80 and 105 every day!


19 posted on 04/23/2005 3:33:14 PM PDT by nhoward14
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To: La Enchiladita
Sherman and other supporters cite Department of Transportation studies from the mid-1970s that found such a move could save the equivalent of 100,000 barrels of oil each day that daylight-saving time is extended.

Nothing like big round equivocal numbers from a three decade old study to make one's (ROTFLTAO) case. Leave it to a rat to pass this off with a strait face.
20 posted on 04/23/2005 3:40:26 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberalism is a Hate Crime-Liberate America from the occupation media!)
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To: nhoward14

Not to mention the humidity! The earth turns according to God's design and plan and no tinkering with clocks can change it.


21 posted on 04/23/2005 3:46:32 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Extra omnea!)
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To: Ros42

ping to post 18


22 posted on 04/23/2005 3:47:44 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Extra omnea!)
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To: CommandoFrank
They long ago realize the extra hour of daylight would burn the crops...

uhmmmm, how does that work? There's still the same hours of sunlight. Only your clock has changed. Please correct me if I'm wrong.......

FMCDH(BITS)

23 posted on 04/23/2005 3:49:52 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: nhoward14
How is this supposed to save energy.....

Exactly, my electric furnace won't know the difference, nor, my whole house electric air conditioner.

The earth and the sun;  Spring, Summer, Fall, & Winter will not change their habits.

Congress can not change these things...

How is this supposed to save energy.....

24 posted on 04/23/2005 3:53:29 PM PDT by Buddy B (MSgt Retired-USAF)
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To: La Enchiladita
. . .

NO

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DST, insanity with a smile. DST, insanity with a smile. DST, insanity with a smile.

25 posted on 04/23/2005 3:55:52 PM PDT by TLI (. ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA,. .Minuteman Project, Day -1 to Day 8)
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To: La Enchiladita

Isn't the point of DST to transfer engery cost from business to individuals?


26 posted on 04/23/2005 4:00:02 PM PDT by twas
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To: Buddy B
Here is an interesting website:

About Daylight Saving Time - History, rationale, laws & dates

27 posted on 04/23/2005 4:02:30 PM PDT by Buddy B (MSgt Retired-USAF)
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To: La Enchiladita

Okay, this article has me full of questions.

I grew up in Arizona so I never had any experience with changing clocks until I moved to Florida. What is the rationale for DST?

That said, I like the fact that it doesn't get dark until 8-9 pm in the summer. I love that extra daylight after dinner to take walks, work in the yard, watch the kids play, take a swim, whatever. It kinda sucks for those who have to drive home from work in the dark in the fall and winter.

But, I realize that the sun is going to rise and set at a certain time no matter what our clocks say, so there is really no "extra" time. The day (light) will be shorter in the winter and longer in the summer regardless!

And, as someone else has already pointed out, my air condititioner, etc... is going to run the same length of time. When the sun shines, it's hot. No amount of clock-switching will change that.

I just don't get it!!


28 posted on 04/23/2005 4:07:02 PM PDT by GatorGirl (God Bless Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: La Enchiladita
Not to mention the humidity!

Good idea! They should pass a law to send some of the humidity into the Winter. That way, the Summers wouldn't be so sticky, and I wouldn't get zapped every time I reach for a doorknob in January.

Squeeze forward, wring back.


29 posted on 04/23/2005 4:10:19 PM PDT by Nick Danger (Honey, Intel wants to go outside)
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To: j_tull

In central Wisconsin here. Wish DST started a month earlier in the spring. In the winter, ain't nuthin' gonna' help. It's dark when you leave for work, it's dark when you drive home.


30 posted on 04/23/2005 4:22:35 PM PDT by elli1
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To: La Enchiladita

Kill daylight saving, it's one of the stupidest ideas our idiotic government ever came up with. Kill it, don't extend it, end the raw stupidity.


31 posted on 04/23/2005 4:25:55 PM PDT by discostu (quis custodiet ipsos custodes)
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To: GatorGirl; Buddy B
What is the rationale for DST?

From Buudy B's post:

About Daylight Saving Time - History, rationale, laws & dates
http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/

32 posted on 04/23/2005 4:31:04 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: La Enchiladita
Arizona is the only state to defy the "government edict" so far. Maybe other states should consider defiance.

Indiana does not participate either.My grandmother used to live there and I could never figure out what time it was. I don't think Hawaii does either.

33 posted on 04/23/2005 4:32:29 PM PDT by luv2ski
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To: discostu

I think other states should follow Arizona and opt out of DST, stay on standard. Defy the edict! As one of our fellow FReepers said..

I was having a nice walk this afternoon when I spied this headline and there went my blood pressure! There are no words for the inanity!


34 posted on 04/23/2005 4:32:38 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Extra omnea!)
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To: La Enchiladita

Riiiight, they want to use a thirty five year old study.
Riiiight.


35 posted on 04/23/2005 4:32:59 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: La Enchiladita

Sunrise, sunset. Manipulating clocks manipulates the populace. Lose DST and adopt Zulu time. Let the businesses sort out the rest.


36 posted on 04/23/2005 4:33:20 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but recently have come to my senses.)
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To: Nick Danger

Great idea! But... I think suffering is our lot.


37 posted on 04/23/2005 4:33:52 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Extra omnea!)
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To: twas

I don't know. You sound too smart for public school, that's for sure.


38 posted on 04/23/2005 4:35:12 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Extra omnea!)
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To: La Enchiladita

I love when they start talking about it saving energy. How is moving the coldest part of the day from 6AM to 7AM for November and March going to save any energy?

People need to grock, you don't actually get any extra daylight, you just shift it around. If you want more daylight after the end of the work day talk to your boss, don't make the rest of the country change their clocks.


39 posted on 04/23/2005 4:36:01 PM PDT by discostu (quis custodiet ipsos custodes)
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To: mlmr

Surely our national government led by 'conservative' Republicans has something better to do than mess with changing the time back and forth. They still do believe in smaller government don't they? And less intrusion into the lives of the citizens of the respective states? Or has that been officially dropped from the party platform?


40 posted on 04/23/2005 4:39:11 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: La Enchiladita

If we're to live in this jungle of socialist bullsh*t then lets just go on zulu time and call it a day.........:o)


42 posted on 04/23/2005 4:51:06 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Squantos
Zulu Time
43 posted on 04/23/2005 4:59:14 PM PDT by Buddy B (MSgt Retired-USAF)
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To: La Enchiladita
Huh? Wait six months and then buy a new VCR. Or change the clock yourself if you want to save the dough. I don't see the problem. Microsoft will be offering a Windows XP fix if extended daylight becomes law.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
44 posted on 04/23/2005 5:00:09 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: luv2ski

Indiana does not participate either.

Indiana is divided into two time zones. Only the Eastern Time Zone portion of Indiana does not do DST. The Central time zone part does. That way, for six months of the year, all of Indiana is operating in the same time zone, so to speak.

45 posted on 04/23/2005 5:13:48 PM PDT by elli1
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To: goldstategop
I don't see the problem...

My Grandfather Sills an Indiana farmer solved the problem.

He had two clocks in the kitchen. One for city time (CDT) and one for his farm time (CST).

46 posted on 04/23/2005 5:18:35 PM PDT by Buddy B (MSgt Retired-USAF)
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To: La Enchiladita

I think we should have one day of Standard (not Daylight) time - every February 29. This would be a bone tossed to those who do not want any Daylight time. Note this should apply ony when February 29 falls on a 4th Sunday :)


47 posted on 04/23/2005 5:33:49 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: La Enchiladita

I think it is great that our elected representatives are able to give us more daylight. I knew they had a purpose.


48 posted on 04/23/2005 5:40:16 PM PDT by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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To: La Enchiladita
Screw the savings and all that crap, it give me an extra hour of light in the fall to finish cleaning up around my house......

Sunlight is good, Kalifornia and darkness is bad......

49 posted on 04/23/2005 5:43:06 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (After 32 years of dealing with stupid people I still haven't earned the right to just shoot them.)
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To: La Enchiladita

Ummm... if you're not a morning person, then you should love this proposal, unless you hate the sunlight...


50 posted on 04/23/2005 5:44:29 PM PDT by Nataku X (Food for Thought: http://web2.airmail.net/scsr/)
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