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Pickup driver killed in first fatality involving MetroRail
Houstonchronicle ^ | May 11, 2005, 1:43AM | Mike Glen

Posted on 05/11/2005 7:17:41 AM PDT by weegee

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To: NYorkerInHouston
Perhaps but I was hearing this from native Houstonians and being a transplant myself what do I know about how the locals think.

Everybody in Houston is from someplace else.

41 posted on 05/11/2005 9:17:12 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Controlled substance laws created the federal health care monopoly and fund terrorism.)
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To: Jalapeno
Good analogy, Jalapeno. The MetroRail system was poorly designed. The traffic light system is poorly designed (throughout the city, in fact). People being people, accidents and acts of stupidity on the behalf of drivers and pedestrians needed to be factored into design. I am a careful person, but have been to The Texas Medical Center and the Slam Bam Tram is confusing and frightening to be around.

There is plenty of room for blame to go around in this accident but the starting point is the poor design of the MetroRail. Wish it wasn't. There was a great opportunity to lead in mass transportation for a traffic congested city and it was squandered by greed, corruption, etc. Sad.
42 posted on 05/11/2005 9:17:51 AM PDT by hummingbird ("If it wasn't for the insomnia, I could have gotten some sleep!")
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To: weegee

>If "Houstonians" don't use rail, then why didn't Metrorail
>serve the visitors of Houston instead?

>Metro opposed the smarter line that went from
>Intercontiental/Bush Airport into a triangle of the
>Galleria, Medical Center, and downtown.

>Can't offer any solutions in this town that keep visitors
>out of cars (especially now that the city is dependent on
>their higher rental car taxes, roughly 28%, for the
>financing of the staduiums).

Personally I would love to see this- I already pay for parking in the med center- I could just park there and take it up to IAH. I believe one of the proposed expansions moves it closer to IAH, but ultimately just closer doesn't count. If the city is in fact opposing expansion to the airports on the basis of revenue than I have to say that is a short sighted approach to a long term problem.

>Another sign that this is a yuppie shuttle...

>The city is trying to force Greyhound to move their bus
>terminal off of West Gray and Main St. Not because it gets
>too much or too little traffic, but because it
>is "unsightly" to the new residents in the area. Look for
>the city to pick up the tab on the new terminal if they
>move.

>The downtown establishment is about lining their pockets,
>not improving Houston.

Well I am in favor of the downtown insofar as it is a comparitively high density area that is in some areas mixed use. I think Houston needs more of them. I don't live in the downtown myself.


43 posted on 05/11/2005 9:19:57 AM PDT by NYorkerInHouston
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To: weegee

Light Rail = Heavy Rip Off.

Democrats loooooove light rail.


44 posted on 05/11/2005 9:23:56 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: daybreakcoming

Most Houston driver have all the survival instincts of a manically depressed lemming.


45 posted on 05/11/2005 9:26:11 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, who's bringing the chips?)
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To: weegee
Another sign that this is a yuppie shuttle...

That's one of the big reasons the voters killed high speed rail here in Florida back in 2004. When Disney demanded that part of the Orlando system run from Orlando International Airport to the gates of their theme parks, instead of going toward downtown, and when Disney got that concession, it helped show what the thing was really going to be. Nothing more than a taxpayer-subsidized trolley at the service of South Florida liberals who wanted to take their grandkids to Disney World and not have to rub elbows with us grubby unwashed hicks along the highways leading there.

46 posted on 05/11/2005 9:33:17 AM PDT by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: weegee

As a Houstonian, I can promise you the debate over the Metro still lives on today. The initial cost was astounding, and every time an accident occurs involving the Metro (which I believe now is roughly fifty), the repair costs are in the millions. People do ride it, but I have never seen it even close to being full. One problem is that the signs/street markers/etc. directing traffic in the area of the Metro are hard to see. The other problem is that the Metro is extremely quiet. If you are in a car at a light, or even on foot next to the tracks, you wouldn't know it was coming unless you looked in that direction.


47 posted on 05/11/2005 9:43:57 AM PDT by johnlaw
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To: weegee
Police said four passengers on the train were taken to area hospitals with minor injuries. Eight other riders were not injured

Am I reading this correctly? ONLY 12 PASSENGERS ON THE WHOLE TRAIN?

Why is this system even running if no one uses it?

48 posted on 05/11/2005 10:50:31 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: weegee
the only person in the Dodge pickup truck

Like they say, if you can't dodge it, ram it!

49 posted on 05/11/2005 10:55:32 AM PDT by rabidralph (My truck appreciates the rest of you driving fuel-efficient vehicles.)
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To: daybreakcoming
Shoot weegee, if they and anyone else is smart - they'll stop or slow down before going through a green light in this town (Houston).

If you don't speed up when the light turns yellow, you're likely to be hit from behind.

51 posted on 05/11/2005 3:59:36 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
If you don't speed up when the light turns yellow, you're likely to be hit from behind. LOL - Yep, this goes under "You might be a Houstonion if"
52 posted on 05/11/2005 4:02:32 PM PDT by daybreakcoming
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To: weegee

What was a train doing on a city street??? Oh yeah, they planned it this way. what was I thinking.


53 posted on 05/11/2005 4:05:07 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: John O
Am I reading this correctly? ONLY 12 PASSENGERS ON THE WHOLE TRAIN?

The trains are only two cars long, so the total capacity per train is 500.

I try to avoid downtown as much as possible, so I've only seen the train perhaps five times.

Each time it was completely empty except for the driver.

54 posted on 05/11/2005 4:06:31 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
And, in this day and age, you would build an urban rail system from scratch at the cost of a billion dollars that intersected surface vehicle traffic because...???

Undoubtedly because it would be way cheaper than the two alternatives. There probably are a lot of reasons why this system can be criticized, but being surface grade is not a very compelling one. We have a rail system that is at street level for long stretches, in Cleveland, and I can't tell you the last time there was a traffic accident like this. It's been years and years.

I think when Houstonians get over it and accept reality such as it is, and decide to stop fighting it, this will cease to be a problem there also.

55 posted on 05/11/2005 4:57:57 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Ditter

In Boston, for example, the trains have to obey traffic lights like everybody else.


56 posted on 05/11/2005 5:18:22 PM PDT by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: hinckley buzzard

What makes you think it is just locals hitting it?

It is a bad design.

Per mile, it has among the highest accident record.

It should never have removed lanes from traffic. It should never have been given priority in all traffic situations (i.e. permitted to run lights).

Do you realize that some areas have the left turn lane ON TOP OF the tracks and that the train operators will blow their horns (where the cars are legally permitted to be) to force them to run into on coming traffic to make a turn?

I have seen the video shot from inside a rail car.

B-O-O-N-D-O-G-G-L-E.

Cleveland was taken by some of the same insiders bribing officials for city contracts. You may want to wake up to reality.


57 posted on 05/11/2005 5:22:29 PM PDT by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: hinckley buzzard
I think when Houstonians get over it and accept reality such as it is, and decide to stop fighting it, this will cease to be a problem there also.

You're right.

$400,000,000 of taxpayer money for a six mile stretch of toy train between the Astrodome and Drayton McClane's other sports venue is a small price to pay for shuttling a couple of dozen doctors and nurses a day from their downtown lofts to the medical center so they don't have to pay for parking.

Why on earth would I possibly think otherwise?

It's ridiculous to believe that the toy train should have at least been built to actually alleviate congestion by bringing people into and out of downtown from remote venues rather than just shuttling them from one point downtown to another, especially if it serves the commercial needs of the city's richest, most privileged denizen.

58 posted on 05/11/2005 5:48:19 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Controlled substance laws created the federal health care monopoly and fund terrorism.)
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To: wk4bush2004

looks like it to me--no "de" in the English language.


59 posted on 05/13/2005 10:04:39 AM PDT by GOP_Thug_Mom (Tolerance is the virtue of a man without convictions)
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To: weegee
I desperately need your help. The accident on Dec23 at Elgin and Main the truck driver had a green light. He was going 35mph and never even saw the train because the building on the corner of Elgin blocks your view!His light was green and the press interviews people on the train that can't even see the light at Elgin. Everybody assumes the truck ran a red light. The train had the vertical bar to go also! When did this incident happen? Elgin is the street with the 3rd story crosswalk over it. Check out the channel 11 video on the 23rd. The truck and the train did not even hit their brakes. the train was going 35mph too.
60 posted on 12/29/2005 9:29:18 PM PST by artcrazy
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