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Chould Newsweek's source should be arrested?
My email to FoxNews Watch ^ | May 16, 2005 | Bob Hyneman

Posted on 05/16/2005 7:21:26 AM PDT by Bob Hyneman

Shouting "Koran Desecration" in a crowded Theater

Dear FoxNews Watch:

Newsweek's "apology" says that its information about flushing a Quran down a toilet came from "a knowledgeable U.S. government source." This is no different thatn shouting "fire" in a crowded theater resulting 16 dead and hundreds wounded. A government employee unnamed source, (knowingly or otherwise) spread anti-american proganda that resulted directly in numerous deaths and hospitalizations.

We should investigate to see if any laws were broken, and, at the very least, his/her identity should be revealed so neither the media nor the American troops ever trust this person again.

Bob Hyneman Long Island New York

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Background:

From Newsweek's "apology" http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7857154/site/newsweek/

Quote:

Two weeks ago, in our issue dated May 9, Michael Isikoff and John Barry reported in a brief item in our Periscope section that U.S. military investigators had found evidence that American guards at the detention center in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, had committed infractions in trying to get terror suspects to talk, including in one case flushing a Qur'an down a toilet. Their information came from a knowledgeable U.S. government source . . .

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; deceit; guantanamo; iraq; journalism; koran; koreandesecration; newsweek; newsweekliedppldied; quran; turass
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1 posted on 05/16/2005 7:21:27 AM PDT by Bob Hyneman
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To: Bob Hyneman

NewsWeek should be shut out of business!


2 posted on 05/16/2005 7:26:21 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: Bob Hyneman
Chould he? I dunno, mon.
3 posted on 05/16/2005 7:26:33 AM PDT by The_Victor (Doh!... stupid tagline)
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To: The_Victor

sorry. My Bad.

Obviously i meant "Should"


4 posted on 05/16/2005 7:30:02 AM PDT by Bob Hyneman
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To: Bob Hyneman

I think the mullahs that incited this event should be hung! Newsweek has been printing lies for a long time and you don't see people dying over what they print. But when it comes to muslims? Well cry me a fu%$@#!@en river. I say to hell with these Wahhabi a$$holes. It is their own people they are killing anyways!


5 posted on 05/16/2005 7:30:54 AM PDT by bubman
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To: Bob Hyneman

Newsweek circulation has been declining for years due to their leftist leanings, this will expedite their obsolesence.

But it could happen faster for my taste. I say that the families of those killed in Afghanistan should sue Newsweek for civil damages.


6 posted on 05/16/2005 7:30:58 AM PDT by wvobiwan (United Nations = World-wide Criminal Organization)
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To: Bob Hyneman

You can not arrest "a knowledgeable U.S. government source" if none exist. Katie Couric uses this same knowledgeable U.S. government source but she knows him as "some", as in "Some say that..."


7 posted on 05/16/2005 7:32:25 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: The_Victor

Rass, mon!


8 posted on 05/16/2005 7:33:11 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Bob Hyneman

Hard to say. I'm not quite sure the law has a remedy for this situation.


9 posted on 05/16/2005 7:35:10 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Remind Liberal Cowards Why America Freed Iraq: http://massgraves.info/)
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To: Bob Hyneman

I wonder if legalities are the reason behind Newsweak's tepid apology without a retraction. If they can maintain that they reasonably believed the "facts", then they can avoid culpability.


10 posted on 05/16/2005 7:35:53 AM PDT by The_Victor (Doh!... stupid tagline)
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To: Hatteras

In the book Journalistic Fraud, the author takes an entire chapter and shows how you can use turns of phrases such as "some, unnamed sources" and such to support just about any position you would want to, even/especially if the article is made up.


11 posted on 05/16/2005 7:38:01 AM PDT by timtoews5292004
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To: bubman

I have shared your sentiments all along. Yes, Newsweakling is full of crap and lies but it is these idiot muslims who are so unstable whacked out that they kill each other. They are responsible for their own actions.

I am not defending Newsweakling's anti-American propaganda, I think it's despicable. However, they are not responsible for the riots and killings. The rioting, killer Muslimes are responsible for that.


12 posted on 05/16/2005 7:40:16 AM PDT by MichiganCheese (Safety Tip: Don't put a kid with Superman jammies on the top bunk!)
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To: wvobiwan
I say that the families of those killed in Afghanistan should sue Newsweek for civil damages.

AND they should be prosecuted for negligent homicide! Isn't it manslaughter if your carelessness kills somebody? This is not just a civil matter, this is a crime.

13 posted on 05/16/2005 7:42:25 AM PDT by justanotherfreeper
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To: areafiftyone

The people responsible for this story at Newsweek -- the editors and the journalists should be arrested.


14 posted on 05/16/2005 7:42:38 AM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: MichiganCheese
However, they are not responsible for the riots and killings.

BUT if you manufacture a defective car and it kills people, you are liable for that. If it isn't simple negligence but something worse (say you knew it was defective but it was cheaper to make) you are criminally liable as well. Newsweek put out a story without adequately checking the facts. The story was defective and people got killed. Sue them and prosecute them, let's hold Newsweek to the same standards they hold all the "evil corporations" to.

15 posted on 05/16/2005 7:45:55 AM PDT by justanotherfreeper
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To: MichiganCheese
They are responsible for their own actions

Let's put it this way ... if Newsweek published a statement theat the muzzies flushed a Bible down a toilet, would there be rioting and murders here?  Of course not.

The 'Religion Of Peace"© needs to start being held accountable for this.  Will they be?  Nah, they can do anything they want and everyone understands.

16 posted on 05/16/2005 7:45:56 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: Bob Hyneman

I still like to know how you flush a book down a toilet. It would either have to be a very tiny book or very big toilet.


17 posted on 05/16/2005 7:46:45 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: MichiganCheese
However, they are not responsible for the riots and killings. The rioting, killer Muslimes are responsible for that.

Yes, they are. We've been at war with these people since 2001 and Newsweek knows how volitile they are. The fact that they published this, knowing the outcome, means they committed MURDER. They knew what the outcome would be, any moron knows.

18 posted on 05/16/2005 7:48:51 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Bob Hyneman

Seems like Newsweek shouted "fire" and the mullahs shouted "stampede the infidels."


19 posted on 05/16/2005 7:49:59 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Bob Hyneman
The author of this bogus story was Michael Isikoff, in collaboration with another Newsweek writer John Barry. Isikoff, if you remember, was the guy who first had the Monica Lewinsky story ... but Newsweek judged the story to slanderous and "Drudge" ended up soon after breaking the story. Interesting how Newsweek was so smug & self righteous when it came to sparing Clinton embarrassment (at least for a short period of time) but has no qualms whatsoever in publishing this bogus inflammatory article about the Koran.
20 posted on 05/16/2005 7:50:03 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Bob Hyneman

I'm doubting they even HAD a "source." I think they made that part up as well.

CBS made up the memos, why couldn't Newsweek create a "source?"


21 posted on 05/16/2005 7:51:38 AM PDT by madison10
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To: McGavin999

I agree with you and others on this thread.

Newsweek is culpable, and should be prosecuted. Now.


22 posted on 05/16/2005 7:51:46 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: justanotherfreeper

As I said, I do not defend Newsweek. They are despicable. However, I do not give the crazy devil-worshipping muslims a pass on this one.


23 posted on 05/16/2005 7:54:32 AM PDT by MichiganCheese (Safety Tip: Don't put a kid with Superman jammies on the top bunk!)
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To: McGavin999
Yes, they are. We've been at war with these people since 2001 and Newsweek knows how volitile they are. The fact that they published this, knowing the outcome, means they committed MURDER.

Highly doubtful. Unless you can show that Newsweek knew that this story was false and also knew that such falsehood would lead to deaths.

Poor factchecking? Probably. But that's not a crime.

24 posted on 05/16/2005 7:55:01 AM PDT by Modernman ("Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: McGavin999

I remember Mike Wallace telling the Ayatollah Khomeini that Anwar Sadat said that Khomeini was not the true leader of Islam. Khomeini issued the fatwah on the air and soon after, Sadat was assassinated. Wallace was an idiot. This was intentional.


25 posted on 05/16/2005 7:55:49 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: bubman

Problem with Newsweek printing lies, it those overseas believe those lies, but WORSE, those leftists and socialists and dumbasses here, BELIEVE THEM ALSO.


26 posted on 05/16/2005 7:56:40 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (Search and Destroy socialist democrats & their leaders Fat Ted, F'n Kerry & the Beast!)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
I still like to know how you flush a book down a toilet. It would either have to be a very tiny book or very big toilet.

Exactly. I'm glad to see SOMEONE state the obvious.

Any mother of a toddler knows exactly what will, and what won't, go down a flush toilet. Matchbox cars, apple cores, Fisher-Price people, pencils and sippy cups, will NOT fit down the toilet. I can substantiate my claims by a quick perusal of my plumber's bills from years past.
27 posted on 05/16/2005 7:58:05 AM PDT by baseballmom
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To: justanotherfreeper
AND they should be prosecuted for negligent homicide! Isn't it manslaughter if your carelessness kills somebody? This is not just a civil matter, this is a crime.

The Jenny Jones program was eventually found not liable when some guy shot another over an expose on that tabloid program.

Otherwise, all some whackjob has to do in the future is blame his actions on something he read. Like your words maybe.

28 posted on 05/16/2005 8:02:29 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: wvobiwan

You're on target--not only should the families of those killed sue Newsweek, but the federal government should also get in line with a lawsuit. This was not merely a simple mistake--Newsweek failed to practice a simple rule of responsible journalism: Double check your facts before going to print.

Because Newsweek was so hot to go to press with a story given by a "credible source", we now have a bunch of extremists who have the excuse they were looking for to declare Jihad against the US.

In case the boneheads at Newsweek (and all the other magazines of that ilk) haven't heard, terrorists are not a group to be toyed with. A paltry apology for not getting their facts straight means NOTHING to those that harbor ill will against the US.


29 posted on 05/16/2005 8:02:33 AM PDT by InfamousMare (Newsweek should pay dearly)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666; baseballmom
I still like to know how you flush a book down a toilet. It would either have to be a very tiny book or very big toilet.

Tear out a page, wad it up, flush. Repeat until done.

30 posted on 05/16/2005 8:03:40 AM PDT by Cboldt
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2. Complain ... of mistreatment while in prison.

31 posted on 05/16/2005 8:04:32 AM PDT by syriacus (Weird George Felos repeatedly flicked his tongue out his gaping mouth when lying to the press 3/31)
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To: McGavin999
We've been at war with these people since 2001 and Newsweek knows how volitile they are. The fact that they published this, knowing the outcome, means they committed MURDER. They knew what the outcome would be, any moron knows.

You have accused the Muslims of having a hair trigger. You should know that this accusation is apt to set them off on a violent rampage. You have commited the same offense you accuse Newsweek of.

Aljazeera repeated the Newsweek claim. They have to know that it will incite the hair trigger Muslims too.

I think what Newsweek did was despicable against the American guards, but I hold the rioters responsible for the consequences of their illegal actions.

32 posted on 05/16/2005 8:07:25 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Modernman

Actually, I just heard on Fox News that a detainee had been flushing pages of the Koran down the toilet 'in protest' of whatever.

Then, how, pray tell, did Newsweek manage to turn this ""story"" around to read that it was a US soldier/guard that did the flushing? Answer: they LIED.

Time for Newsweek to GO the way of the dinosaur.

Bub-bye NewsWEAK!


33 posted on 05/16/2005 8:07:30 AM PDT by XenaLee
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To: InfamousMare

Exactly. The people we're dealing with don't NEED an excuse to behead Americans. But now, they've got another one to use against Americans everywhere.

Thanks, NewsWEAK!


34 posted on 05/16/2005 8:09:51 AM PDT by XenaLee
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To: Bob Hyneman

YES! Arrest him and make him spend a bit of time in jail! I'm sick of this irresponsible conduct by people who should know better. M


35 posted on 05/16/2005 8:18:01 AM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Bob Hyneman

Should news organizations be forced to reveal their sources?

Yes!

If the sources don't want to be revealed, then don't use their stuff.

Seems simple to me.

Reporters are not priests or doctors and their vocationis anything but holy.


36 posted on 05/16/2005 8:21:42 AM PDT by altura
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To: syriacus
Then rely on the US government's weak kneed liberals to come to your defense...

Never accept the consensus of the Washington intelligentsia, which looks backward to past failures, not forward to future successes.

37 posted on 05/16/2005 8:22:32 AM PDT by antivenom (If your not living on the edge, you're taking up too much damn space!!!)
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To: Bob Hyneman
Chould Newsweek's source should be arrested?

Not only chould Newscweek'sc scoursce be arrescted, they chould be!

38 posted on 05/16/2005 8:23:38 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: Bob Hyneman

Seriously: I think that there might be a simple solution. Anyone who prints a hardcopy report on newspaper or broadcasts via radio or TV, should swear under oath to the veracity of their report. If they lie, prosecute them for perjury.


39 posted on 05/16/2005 8:25:16 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: Bob Hyneman
Wait. No. That wouldn't have worked in this case or in RatherGate.

Hmmm. I have no solution, other than my proposed Ministry of Truth.

Elect me Dictator, and I'll show you what-for.

40 posted on 05/16/2005 8:26:26 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: justanotherfreeper; MichiganCheese

I read an article a couple of days ago that speculated that the riots weren't because of the Newsweak article but rather were about some action that Kharzi had taken.


41 posted on 05/16/2005 8:27:19 AM PDT by elli1
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To: areafiftyone

Should Newsweek's source should be arrested?

Yes also be tarred & feathered and forced to bob for tots.


42 posted on 05/16/2005 8:33:30 AM PDT by DarthVader (Liberal Democrat = Fat, drunk and stupid is a hell of a way to go through life)
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To: justanotherfreeper; MichiganCheese
Not from the article I read, but a bit deeper exploration of the riots:

Beyond the current desecration outrage, the students in Kabul were also engaged in other political issues, demanding that the Afghan government deny permanent military bases to the US. They said the creation of permanent US military bases would threaten the independence of Afghanistan. The demands come only days after US-backed Afghan President Hamid Karzai got green light from more than 1,000 tribal elders and officials to go ahead with a partnership with the US that would most likely include the creation of permanent US military bases in the country. Putting a new spin on the protests, Karzai used the riots in Jalalabad on Wednesday to justify a permanent US presence, saying that the violence illustrated Afghanistan’s inability to deal with security threats on its own. Karzai commented on the events during a news conference at NATO headquarters in Brussels, RFE/RL reported. “The [protest] event this morning shows two things,” he said. “One, that Afghanistan is a democratic state. Two, that Afghanistan, as [a] democratic state, is not yet ready with institutions to handle [the protest].” The specifically anti-American nature of the protests could jeopardize plans in Kabul and Washington to use Afghanistan as a permanent base for increasing US influence in Central Asia and the Middle East, containing Russian and Chinese influence in the region, and encircling Iran.

Link

43 posted on 05/16/2005 8:34:14 AM PDT by elli1
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To: areafiftyone

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44 posted on 05/16/2005 8:39:46 AM PDT by tobyhill (The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
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To: MichiganCheese

I could not agree more. For Newsweek, in its deliberate hostility to the Bush administration, it became too easy for them to believe this story without checking it out thoroughly first. But it's also obvious that these Muslim clerics wanted to incite riots and used the Newsweek article as the trigger.


45 posted on 05/16/2005 8:48:30 AM PDT by Dave Olson
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
" I still like to know how you flush a book down a toilet. It would either have to be a very tiny book or very big toilet.

I'm sure the rioters did not think of this since most of them have never seen a flush toilet. When they heard the story they undoubtedly visualized an outhouse.

46 posted on 05/16/2005 8:51:13 AM PDT by cookcounty ("We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the Courts" ---Abe Lincoln, 1858.)
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To: McGavin999

It needs to be noted that NewsWeak is now, officially responsible for more deaths than Lindie Englund and all the guards at Abu Garib prison - combined.


47 posted on 05/16/2005 10:08:19 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: baseballmom

Chunky carrot bases also will not go down. My ex-husband was up to his armpit, literally, in poop once when our toilet overflowed. Dis-gusting. My son never did that again.


48 posted on 05/16/2005 10:25:07 AM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: baseballmom
Any mother of a toddler knows exactly what will, and what won't, go down a flush toilet.

The wisdom of mothers cannot be overpraised.

49 posted on 05/16/2005 11:17:58 AM PDT by murdoog (Note to self: change tagline after this posting)
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To: BluH2o
We need not necessarily blame Michael Isikoff. It wouldn't be the first time that the editors have rewritten a reporter's story to suit themselves.

But whoever is responsible has given aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war.

50 posted on 05/17/2005 12:15:23 AM PDT by Christopher Lincoln
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