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LIVE SENATE THREAD: "Nuclear Wednesday" for judicial nominations: C-span 2 - 9:30 am EST
C-span 2 ^ | May 18, 2005

Posted on 05/18/2005 5:48:45 AM PDT by ken5050

Welcome, all you Freepers, to the continuing C-span soap operas about judicial nominations. "The Guiding SEARCHLIGHT, " "As the SENATE Turns, "One NOMINATION to Live" "GERIATRIC Hospital" (for all you Byrd and Lautenberg fans out there). Follow along with us, as the Dems raise the level of histrionics, bloviation, pontification, and all around bad acting to new highs, er, lows...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; allen2008; claudenovak; constitutionaloption; cspan; democratnukereaction; filibuster; georgeallen; may18th2005; reidsnuclearreaction; showdown; ussenate
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To: OXENinFLA

Thanks very much for those quotes, OX!


861 posted on 05/18/2005 8:32:48 AM PDT by CDB
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To: Dad yer funny

UGH--I just HATE it when Leahy leans over on his podium like some teacher that is gonna "teach" us how wrong we are...then he gets soft-spoken....blech


862 posted on 05/18/2005 8:32:53 AM PDT by Txsleuth ( Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: Fishtalk

Fortas was a Johnson crony. Both Nixon and Humphrey wanted the newly elected president to appoint the next Chief Justice. The filibuster was a means to bring the issue and Fortas' corruption to the attention of the people. The filibuster was not intended to go on forever. Both the president's term and the Congress were coming to a close and if Fortas was brought up for a vote, he would have been defeated.


863 posted on 05/18/2005 8:32:57 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: mhking

I've been slammed at work, I can't possibly catch up on this - what's the score?


864 posted on 05/18/2005 8:33:03 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: Soul Seeker

Am I hearing him correctly that the Democrats are now on record as being against activist judges?


865 posted on 05/18/2005 8:33:14 AM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: LisaFab
"Religious test"..........it's the DEMOCRATS applying the religious test.
Frist needs to respond to Leahy's BS, IMHO.
866 posted on 05/18/2005 8:33:18 AM PDT by MamaLucci (Mutually assured destruction STILL keeps the Clinton administration criminals out of jail.)
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To: LisaFab

If I remember correctly, it was deemed the most dangereous part of the system. As a one party system it could work...but as soon as two parties came about, the danger was headed to fruition. The Justices were given life terms so as to be beyond the "rewards" of politics.


867 posted on 05/18/2005 8:33:29 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Mo1

Currently screaming how we want to impeach all justices and how dare we challange the supremacy of the court. LOL


868 posted on 05/18/2005 8:33:38 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Fishtalk
Not sure if this is accurate, but it is recent:

Filibuster Precedent? Democrats Point to '68 and Fortas

But GOP Senators Cite Differences in Current Effort to Bar Votes on Judges

By Charles Babington
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, March 18, 2005; Page A03

The Senate was launched on a full-blown filibuster, with one South Carolina senator consuming time by reading "long passages of James F. Byrnes's memoirs in a thick Southern accent," according to a newspaper account.

That four-day talkathon in September 1968 has largely been forgotten. But some Senate Democrats want to bring it back to mind to counter a key Republican attack against their stalling tactics that have blocked confirmation votes for several of President Bush's most conservative judicial nominees. The GOP claim, asserted in speeches, articles and interviews, is that filibusters against judicial nominees are unprecedented..................

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See link for remainder of the article.....


869 posted on 05/18/2005 8:33:45 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: OXENinFLA

FOR SHAME, FOR SHAME! Says Leahy.


870 posted on 05/18/2005 8:33:47 AM PDT by LisaFab
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To: OXENinFLA
BUT WHO CHECKS THE COURTS!?!?!?!?!?

The people, through their elected representatives, who have the power of impeachment granted under the Constitution.

871 posted on 05/18/2005 8:33:58 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: RobFromGa

Thanks for posting the NRO take...


872 posted on 05/18/2005 8:34:14 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Txsleuth
UGH--I just HATE it when Leahy leans over on his podium like some teacher that is gonna "teach" us how wrong we are...then he gets soft-spoken....blech

He is soooo boring. He's putting me to sleep.
I'm going to check the mail.

873 posted on 05/18/2005 8:34:30 AM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: concerned about politics
"Follow usssssssss, and with our judicial dictatorship, we can rule the worrrrrrld. Hissssssssss."

"What are we gonna do tonight, Teddy?"

"Same thing we do every night, Leaky...TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!"


874 posted on 05/18/2005 8:34:35 AM PDT by mhking (Newsweek lied, people died... --Turk 182)
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To: Maigrey

I believe his nomination was totally withdrawn and no vote of any kind was ever really taken.


875 posted on 05/18/2005 8:34:41 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Cboldt

I did a google search and came up with this. I vaguely remember some of this and I believe the filibuster in this instance was supported by both parties. If the dems keep bringing this up some of the reps should bring out all the lurid details. Abe Fortas was a crook as all of LBJ's cohorts were.

1964-Present

October 1, 1968
Filibuster Derails Supreme Court Appointment


Justice Abe Fortas
In June 1968, Chief Justice Earl Warren informed President Lyndon Johnson that he planned to retire from the Supreme Court. Concern that Richard Nixon might win the presidency later that year and get to choose his successor dictated Warren's timing.

In the final months of his presidency, Johnson shared Warren's concerns about Nixon and welcomed the opportunity to add his third appointee to the Court. To replace Warren, he nominated Associate Justice Abe Fortas, his longtime confidant. Anticipating Senate concerns about the prospective chief justice's liberal opinions, Johnson simultaneously declared his intention to fill the vacancy created by Fortas' elevation with Appeals Court Judge Homer Thornberry. The president believed that Thornberry, a Texan, would mollify skeptical southern senators.

A seasoned Senate vote-counter, Johnson concluded that despite filibuster warnings he just barely had the support to confirm Fortas. The president took encouragement from indications that his former Senate mentor, Richard Russell, and Republican Minority Leader Everett Dirksen would support Fortas, whose legal brilliance both men respected.

The president soon lost Russell's support, however, because of administration delays in nominating the senator's candidate to a Georgia federal judgeship. Johnson urged Senate leaders to waste no time in convening Fortas' confirmation hearings. Responding to staff assurances of Dirksen's continued support, Johnson told an aide, "Just take my word for it. I know [Dirksen]. I know the Senate. If they get this thing drug out very long, we're going to get beat. Dirksen will leave us."

Fortas became the first sitting associate justice, nominated for chief justice, to testify at his own confirmation hearing. Those hearings reinforced what some senators already knew about the nominee. As a sitting justice, he regularly attended White House staff meetings; he briefed the president on secret Court deliberations; and, on behalf of the president, he pressured senators who opposed the war in Vietnam. When the Judiciary Committee revealed that Fortas received a privately funded stipend, equivalent to 40 percent of his Court salary, to teach an American University summer course, Dirksen and others withdrew their support. Although the committee recommended confirmation, floor consideration sparked the first filibuster in Senate history on a Supreme Court nomination.

On October 1, 1968, the Senate failed to invoke cloture. Johnson then withdrew the nomination, privately observing that if he had another term, "the Fortas appointment would have been different."


Reference Items:


Henry J. Abraham. Justices and Presidents: A Political History of Appointments to the Supreme Court. New York: Oxford University Press, 1992.



Kalman, Laura. Abe Fortas: A Biography. New Haven: Yale University Press, 1990.



Urofsky, Melvin I., ed., The Supreme Court Justices: A Biographical Dictionary. New York: Garland, 1994.


876 posted on 05/18/2005 8:34:47 AM PDT by SwatTeam
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To: nina0113

Leaky embarassin' hisself , but the RATS and DUmmies will be cheerin'


877 posted on 05/18/2005 8:34:49 AM PDT by Dad yer funny
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To: Fishtalk
The Fortas filibuster was not conducted in lock-step by the minority party. BOTH parties joined in on the filibuster of Fortas.

Read on Fortas

It was done in the 90th Congress. Here was the makeup:

90th Congress (1967-1969)

Majority Party: Democrat (64 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (36 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 100
878 posted on 05/18/2005 8:35:08 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty ("Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind." —Albert Einstein)
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To: CAluvdubya

We use loads of Lava soap here... but I don't recommend it for showering unless you've been graced by a skunk or something like that...


879 posted on 05/18/2005 8:35:11 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: ken5050

Did I just hear him say that they are on God's side--and that the reps are on the religious McCarthyism side?


880 posted on 05/18/2005 8:35:11 AM PDT by Txsleuth ( Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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