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Do not be fooled, the Republican Senate RAPED you tonight.

Posted on 05/23/2005 5:57:23 PM PDT by Pukin Dog

I know how much we all want to support our side. I know that many of us are looking for something good in what happened tonight. Sadly, an honest assessment will result in a single conclusion, that tonight the Republican Senate failed the nation, in order to protect themselves from having to take a vote that would determine the future Presidential ambitions of some Senators.

Do not blame the 12 moderates, because we already knew that they could not be trusted. Do not blame the President, and tonight, you cannot even blame the Democrats. Their side did their job, which was to win. Our side did not. I am not posting this to bash the Republican Party, I am posting this, because I already see some of us looking for the silver lining in this turd. Do not do that. Face the reality of the situation, which is that Senators care about Senators. Bill Frist had ample opportunity to change Senate rules prior to the formation of the 109th Congress. He also had ample opportunity to pull the trigger weeks, even months ago. He did not, which is why I said in an earlier post, that would not vote for Frist for President no matter the outcome of events.

Unfortunatly, we have no recourse. We cannot give up the Senate in an attempt to punish the Senate Republicans. We cannot afford to cut off our noses to spite our faces. But the time will come, where we will have a chance to make our voices heard. Not tonight, not 2006 but maybe by 2008 we will have the voice, the organization, and the attention of enough minds to truly punish the Senate for what they did tonight.

Keep your powder dry, and wait for these folks to come into range. Save your ammo for now. But one day, we will make them pay.


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 109th; filibuster; gop; moststupidheadline; ussenate; waaaaaahhhhhhhh; wewon
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To: Pukin Dog
I'm not surprised, beacuase I have no idea what you're talking about. Got a link that explains that?....Thanks.

FMCDH(BITS)

61 posted on 05/23/2005 6:17:16 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: kjam22
You can wake up any time....

First, Democrats will not stick to the agreement.

Second, Bush put up 10 judges, and Senators do not have the right to effectively make decisions for him.

If you really believe that any Democrat is going to go against their leadership, please buy my bridge out back.

62 posted on 05/23/2005 6:17:34 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: oceanview

We should celebrate a little. We just got 7 judges to agree not to support the filibusters. We got 3 judges that DU ers hate. And if they filibuster if they vote to filibuster, we can still nuke them. And we didn't have to do away with the proceedure in case we need to use it some day :)


63 posted on 05/23/2005 6:18:22 PM PDT by kjam22
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To: Smedley
I cannot make up my mind about this either at the moment. Does anyone know what the lefties are saying at DU?

If they are crowing we have been screwed.

If they are going ballistic we may have stuck it to them.

64 posted on 05/23/2005 6:19:10 PM PDT by trek
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To: Pukin Dog
If you're as disgusted as me by this garbage, just write this across the next donation letter you get from the RNC (I plan to):

X

Man, I am LIVID!!!

65 posted on 05/23/2005 6:19:53 PM PDT by BP2
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To: Pukin Dog

The Republicans are pathetic.


66 posted on 05/23/2005 6:20:12 PM PDT by rimmont
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To: Betaille
You seem to assume that the Republicans will be in power forever. Tonight they maintained a rule that could be very important WHEN, not IF, the Democrats once again have the majority in the Senate.

You are misreading what happened.

This is not and never was about keeping the filibuster for the Pubbies because the Pubbies would never use it. If McCain and Company (The Suckup Six) would have left well enough alone, the Dems, knowing that Frist had the votes to pass the nuclear option, would have had no choice but to support cloture on the Owen nomination and any nominations that would follow. That was the Dems secret weapon to avoid the nuclear option - just don't filibuster and you will never get nuked by Frist.

So what do we have instead? The Dems are going to vote for cloture on Owen and the two other biggies. That ends the filibuster and avoids but does not eliminate the threat of the nuclear option. The two sacrificial lambs allow the Dems to save face. It was unnecessary but that's life. The nuclear option is still there and the Dems and the Suckup Six will have to try to make another deal come Supreme Court time. And then there will be another deal and then another and another. In the end, the nuclear option will never be exercised because the Dems can always avoid a vote by ending the filibuster. They will do that until the day that they get a couple more RINOs to move to their side. There is a fair chance that will happen. What a way to do business.

67 posted on 05/23/2005 6:20:13 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: kjam22

The KKKooks at Daily KKKos only think they won cause some here are freaking out.


68 posted on 05/23/2005 6:20:23 PM PDT by veronica (AntiCP - join the fun at the new forum...)
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To: Pukin Dog
So if they go against them... we nuke them. We're no worse off than we were. We just got 3 conservative judges in. This was a win for our side. It wasn't what you and I wanted to happen becasue we both wanted to nuke them. But we won this deal hands down.

How would you like to be reid right now with 7 of your 44 having just agreed not to vote for your filibusters?

69 posted on 05/23/2005 6:20:35 PM PDT by kjam22
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To: Pukin Dog
We control the House.

We control the Senate.

We control the Whitehouse.

We don't control spit.

Only on an alternate universe could that be possible.

70 posted on 05/23/2005 6:20:50 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: vetsvette

"The next time the Dummies are in the majority, they'll change the Senate rules on Day 1"

Then why didn't they during the 50 years they controlled congress?


71 posted on 05/23/2005 6:20:55 PM PDT by Betaille
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To: Hildy

I believe we will be
shown numerous displays of spineless Repubs caving into dems over the next few years; enough to remind us who not to support in 2008.


72 posted on 05/23/2005 6:21:43 PM PDT by brivette
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To: Pukin Dog
Sadly, an honest assessment will result in a single conclusion, that tonight the Republican Senate failed the nation, in order to protect themselves from having to take a vote that would determine the future Presidential ambitions of some Senators.

Yep. It's sad and I'm mad. And I'm not about to 'look for the silver lining on this turd'. Excellent choice of words. LOL


Where's my Pukin Dog Good Rant ping, PD?

73 posted on 05/23/2005 6:22:14 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: taillightchaser
What we need is someone that can lead - a leader.

Sadly McCain was the leader today.

74 posted on 05/23/2005 6:22:19 PM PDT by Aquamarine
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To: Pukin Dog

I'm pretty ticked off here. I have been writing senators. I hope it isn't too late... NO COMPROMISING! Republican senators need some cajones!


75 posted on 05/23/2005 6:22:21 PM PDT by FeeinTennessee (Visit me @ peoplepolitical.org --Fee)
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To: oceanview

"we got three judges."

We haven't got any yet, i'd almost bet that McLame, Snow, Chaffee, etc. will vote against the 3 when the vote comes.


76 posted on 05/23/2005 6:22:52 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: kjam22
Oh, you think the Moderates will actually vote with their party? Oh come on. The only thing that happened tonight, is that 6 Republicans left their party. That is it. The Democrats are the majority party in the Senate as of now.

The only thing we can hope for, is that Bush gets freaky on those jerks, and makes them pay.

77 posted on 05/23/2005 6:23:37 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: veronica

Yep... we've got a number of people here who don't understand politics. Nukeing them isn't really a good idea. It's what we have to do if they filibuster, but if we can persuade them not to filibuster and get up or down votes for our judges, that is the best outcome. Right now that's where we are. If they resort to filibustering again, then we nuke them.


78 posted on 05/23/2005 6:24:10 PM PDT by kjam22
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To: Bosco
Why don't moderates ever land on the side of conservatism?

Because they have no morals. It's too hard for some to take a principled stand on either the left hand or the right so they take the easy course.

They sleaze this way or that so they can fit into the middle no matter where the middle happens to move to.

It's the ancient art of triangulation, an art the Ex-Philanderer in Chief personifies.
79 posted on 05/23/2005 6:24:10 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Children's classic songs updated for Islam "If you're happy and you know it, Go Kaboom!")
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To: arasina
The new rant is coming, be patient.
80 posted on 05/23/2005 6:24:36 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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