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A killing commanded by Islamic law - (not for the faint hearted)
JIHADWATCH.ORG ^ | MAY 6, 2005 | ROBERT

Posted on 06/01/2005 10:12:48 PM PDT by CHARLITE

Within an hour, the entire village would learn that the 25-year-old married woman had been discovered in a darkened nearby hut with her lover. Within two days, Amina was dead -- killed by her fellow villagers April 20 after the men of the community ruled that she had violated Islamic law by having an affair with a neighbor....

Soon Amina's father, the elders and a crowd of villagers had gathered outside. Mohammad unlocked the chain and flung open his front door. At the back of the room sat his son, Karim, on a floor cushion.

Next to him sat Amina. Her expression was once again blank, Aslam said.

It threw Aslam into a rage.

"I shouted, 'What is she doing here? Give her to me! I will kill her!' " he recounted last week. "I was so shocked, and my Islamic dignity was so offended."

But the other villagers restrained him, Aslam and other witnesses said.

"We told him, 'No, no! This should be handled by sharia now,' " his brother Hashem recalled, referring to the Islamic legal code.

"Fine, I will give her over to sharia then," Aslam said he responded. "Whatever sharia says, I will do it."...

Under sharia, the punishment for adultery is death by stoning. But the code requires that there be undeniable proof of the crime -- for instance, multiple witnesses to the sex act, a confession, or other signs such as an inexplicable pregnancy....

But no one involved disputes that the villagers were unanimous in their view that according to the dictates of Islam, the proper resolution of the case would be for Karim, as an unmarried man, to be lashed and Amina, as a married woman, to be stoned to death.

Early that afternoon, one of the mullahs went to fetch a stick with which to whip Karim as Yousaf took his leave of the villagers.

Then they watched Yousaf's turban slowly vanish over a mountain path and, along with it, Amina's last hope.

Punishment

There are two, conflicting accounts of Amina's death.

According to her great-uncle Assan, after the shura reached its verdict, a group of villagers came to the dark storage room and took her away to be stoned.

"She knew what was going to happen to her," Assan said softly. "She was screaming and sobbing."

Amina's paternal uncle, Mohammad Azim, said he watched as the villagers forced Amina down a muddy path toward a patch of soft earth along a riverbank surrounded by stones, a few yards from the edge of the village.

It was a beautiful spot, shaded by an enormous tree and offering a charming view of the village clinging to the mountainside.

It was also an ideal place for a stoning.

"They dug a hole in the ground right here," Azim said, pointing to a spot in the clearing six days later. "Then they buried Amina up to her waist, with her arms pinned by her side."

Azim said Amina's hair was covered in a head scarf, and that she was crying in terror as nearly a hundred men gathered in a circle around her and began throwing small rocks at her head.

"I couldn't watch for more than a few minutes," Azim said. Instead, he said, he walked up to Amina's parents' house and waited with them in silence during the two hours it took to kill her.

Several villagers and Amina's mother said that they, too, believe she was stoned. And a few said they had seen the bloody hole after she was removed from it.

But no one else would admit to witnessing the actual stoning, much less participating in it. And the ground where Amina was allegedly buried to her waist showed little sign of disturbance six days after her death -- possibly because, as Azim and other villagers contend, they had refilled the hole and then the river had flooded over it, or possibly because the stoning never happened.

Several other villagers, including Amina's uncle, Hashem, tell a very different story.

Hashem said the villagers handed Amina over to her uncles, including himself and Azim. Their original intention was to hang her, Hashem said. But as they were leading her away, they became increasingly angry and started to beat her with their fists.

"It was dark," he said. "All of us were striking her, and then she fainted and we saw that she was on the ground and not breathing. Maybe she had a heart attack."

Whatever the means of her death, Amina's parents said her bruised corpse was returned to them sometime between afternoon and evening prayers that day.

Amina's mother, Nessa, said she did not grieve.

"My daughter was a criminal and a sinner who brought dishonor on my name," Nessa said hotly several days later. "And I should be blamed for her death, not anyone else, because I told my tribe they could kill her. I forgave them for spilling her blood."...

If Amina had been allowed to live, Nessa added, the shame of it would have forced Nessa to leave the only home she had ever known and a valley in which her family had lived for generations.

"But now I can walk everywhere in the village with my head high. . . . I'm happy. Extremely, extremely happy," she shouted. The tone in her voice betrayed no joy.

Then Nessa covered her face with her hands....

Amina's father Aslam, however, was released from police custody in Faizabad after a night of questioning, on grounds that he was not directly responsible.

Just before embarking on the long walk back to Gazon, he sat on a metal chair in a room in the police station, reflecting on all that had happened in the last several days.

Unlike the feelings of his wife Nessa, Aslam's anger at Amina had by now given way to sorrow.

"I feel so sad for her. She was so young," he said, as his eyes grew glassy with tears. "I really miss her now. . . . I will miss her voice, and our conversations in the evenings."

There was much he wished he could go back and change. "If only she had told me that she did not want to go back to her husband," he said. "I would have done something about it. I would have counseled her."

But he said he harbored no doubt that she deserved to die after she admitted to committing adultery.

"There was no option. This is what Islam commands us."


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"Every society has a right to fix the fundamental principles of its association, and to say to all individuals, that if they contemplate pursuits beyond the limits of these principles and involving dangers which the society chooses to avoid, they must go somewhere else for their exercise; that we want no citizens, and still less ephemeral and pseudo-citizens, on such terms. We may exclude them from our territory, as we do persons infected with disease." --Thomas Jefferson
1 posted on 06/01/2005 10:12:49 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: jan in Colorado; CyberAnt; AmericanArchConservative; Travis McGee; EagleUSA; writer33; Nam Vet; ...
For your interest.

Char

2 posted on 06/01/2005 10:14:07 PM PDT by CHARLITE (Why do we permit seditious, hateful messages to be shouted from muslim pulpits in America?)
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To: Marauder
For your interest.

Char

3 posted on 06/01/2005 10:15:10 PM PDT by CHARLITE (Why do we permit seditious, hateful messages to be shouted from muslim pulpits in America?)
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To: CHARLITE

Diversity and tolerance somewhat antithetical to TJ eh?


4 posted on 06/01/2005 10:17:45 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Taglines often reveal a lot about the inner person...)
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To: CHARLITE

Absolute barbarians.


5 posted on 06/01/2005 10:19:47 PM PDT by headstamp
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To: CHARLITE

ROP bump


6 posted on 06/01/2005 10:21:22 PM PDT by dcwusmc ("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: CHARLITE

Thanks for the ping!


7 posted on 06/01/2005 10:21:57 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: CHARLITE
Sickening. Yet I have bumped into more than one Freeper in my time who insists that adultery is a high-ranking crime, just below murder and theft. Many other people think that one party's adultery forfeits their claim to their (otherwise) legitimate share of marital property.

Adultery is clearly wrong, and anyone who consider punishing a cheating spouse with anything more harsh than a stern reprimand and a well deserved abandonment is a nutbag, plain and simple.
8 posted on 06/01/2005 10:21:57 PM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: CHARLITE

... and, meanwhile: liberals and leftists everywhere are shrieking like hysterical schoolgirls over the possibility that -- somewhere; somehow -- a Koran may end up being "desecrated."


9 posted on 06/01/2005 10:24:28 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-G-d, PRO-LIFE..." -- FR founder Jim Robinson)
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To: CHARLITE

"There was no option. This is what Islam commands us."


Islam also commands that the infidel be 'smote' on the neck, have his/her arms and legs on opposite sides hacked off, be bound and thrown into the fire, and when the time comes they think they can get away with it in the West (just as they are doing right now in the Sudan,) they will try to do it to you and I, yours and mine.


10 posted on 06/01/2005 10:32:19 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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To: CHARLITE


Islam is a thousand times more evil, than anything these sanctimonious sonovabitches rant against.


11 posted on 06/01/2005 10:33:00 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Sorry George, Hillary and Bill will give up their absolute power, only when it is pried from their)
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To: CHARLITE
Then they watched Yousaf's turban slowly vanish over a mountain path and, along with it, Amina's last hope.

FCUL, I spat my coffee out reading that! As sad as the whole sorry saga is.

12 posted on 06/01/2005 10:38:24 PM PDT by Critical Bill
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To: F.J. Mitchell
"Islam is a thousand times more evil.."

If one believes that there truly is a "devil," then this must be the manifestation of the devil, in millions of human beings who are clearly possessed, in the most evil sense of the term.

Char

13 posted on 06/01/2005 10:39:05 PM PDT by CHARLITE (Why do we permit seditious, hateful messages to be shouted from muslim pulpits in America?)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Precisely.

No shortage of outrage over the (alleged) flushing of a Koran or two by U.S. troops, but not a peep about the murder of countless innocents by barbarian cultists.

14 posted on 06/01/2005 10:39:34 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
. and, meanwhile: liberals and leftists everywhere are shrieking like hysterical schoolgirls over the possibility that -- somewhere; somehow -- a Koran may end up being "desecrated."

these idiot gay-loving liberals don't understand that if these wild-eyed islamic fanatics ever control the world, their stupid butts will be FIRST to be minus a head.

15 posted on 06/01/2005 10:39:43 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: CHARLITE

Public Stoning - coming to an American neighborhood near you in the next 30 years.


16 posted on 06/01/2005 10:40:22 PM PDT by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: CHARLITE
Barbaric savages


17 posted on 06/01/2005 10:45:59 PM PDT by Critical Bill
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To: Critical Bill
Stoning video

(From the website "Apostates of Islam")

18 posted on 06/01/2005 10:49:45 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: CHARLITE

A Kodak Moment

20 posted on 06/01/2005 10:55:50 PM PDT by BigFinn
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To: CHARLITE

the Koranimals.


21 posted on 06/01/2005 11:04:40 PM PDT by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" - Pope Urban II, 1097 A.D.)
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To: CHARLITE

Those barbarians are waaaay too interested in sex if you ask me...


22 posted on 06/01/2005 11:08:54 PM PDT by Humidston (Pubbies - GROW SOME!!!)
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To: BigFinn

see post #17


23 posted on 06/01/2005 11:26:27 PM PDT by Critical Bill
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To: Humidston

"Those barbarians are waaaay too interested in sex if you ask me..."

LOL!

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/ (snip)


LUST:

Qur’an 33:51 “You may have whomever you desire; there is no blame.”

Tabari VIII:187 “The [sixty-two-year old] Messenger of Allah married Mulaykah. She was young and beautiful. One of the Prophet’s wives came to her and said, ‘Are you not ashamed to marry a man who killed your father during the day he conquered Mecca?” She therefore took refuge from him.”

Qur’an 66:1 “O Prophet! Why forbid yourself that which Allah has made lawful to you? You seek to please your consorts.”

Qur’an 66:4 “If you (women) turn in repentance to him, it would be better. Your hearts have been impaired, for you desired (the ban) [on how many girls Muhammad could play with at a time]. But if you back each other up against (Muhammad), truly Allah is his protector, and Gabriel, and everyone who believes—and furthermore, the angels will back (him) up.”

Qur’an 66:5 “Maybe, if he divorces you (all), Allah will give him in exchange consorts better than you—submissive, faithful, obedient, adorers who worship, who travel, and are inclined to fasting—previously married or virgins.”

Tabari VIII:117 “Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself. Muhammad gave Dihyah her two cousins instead.” Ishaq:511 “When he protested, wanting to keep Safiyah for himself, the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims.”

Bukhari:V5B59N524 “The Muslims said among themselves, ‘Will Safiyah be one of the Prophet’s wives or just a lady captive and one of his possessions?’”
Tabari VIII:110 “When Abu Sufyan learned that the Prophet had taken her, he said, ‘That stallion’s nose is not to be restrained!’”

Bukhari:V4B52N143/V5B59N523 “When we reached Khaybar, Muhammad said that Allah had enabled him to conquer them. It was then that the beauty of Safiyah was described to him. Her husband had been killed [by Muhammad], so Allah’s Apostle selected her for himself. He took her along with him till we reached a place where her menses were over and he took her for his wife, consummating his marriage to her, and forcing her to wear the veil.’”

Tabari VIII:122/Ishaq:515 “Muhammad commanded that Safiyah should be kept behind him and he threw his cloak over her. Thus the Muslims knew that he had chosen her for himself.”
Ishaq:517 “When the Apostle took Safiyah on his way out of town, she was beautified and combed, putting her in a fitting state for the Messenger. The Apostle passed the night with her in his tent. Abu Ayyub, girt with his sword, guarded the Apostle, going round the tent until he saw him emerge in the morning. Abu said, ‘I was afraid for you with this woman for you have killed her father, her husband, and her people.”Qur’an 33:30 “O Consorts of the Prophet! If…any of you are devout, obedient, and submissive in the service to Allah and His Messenger, and does good, to her shall We grant her reward twice. We have prepared for her a generously rich provision.”

Tabari IX:126 “The Messenger of Allah married fifteen women. He combined eleven at a time and left behind nine.”
Ishaq:311 “The Apostle saw Ummu’l when she was a baby crawling before his feet and said, ‘If she grows up, I will marry her.’ But he died before he was able to do so.”

Tabari VII:7 “The Prophet married Aisha in Mecca three years before the Hijrah, after the death of Khadija. At the time she was six.” Ishaq:281 “When the Apostle came to Medina he was fifty-three.”

Tabari IX:128 “When the Prophet married Aisha she very young and not yet ready for consummation.”

Bukhari:V9B87N139-40 “Allah’s Apostle told Aisha, ‘You were shown to me twice in my dreams [a.k.a. sexual fantasies]. I beheld a man or angel carrying you in a silken cloth. He said to me, “She is yours, so uncover her.” And behold, it was you. I would then say to myself, “If this is from Allah, then it must happen.”’”

Tabari IX:131 “My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was then brought in while the Messenger was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. Then the men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old.”

Tabari IX:133 “Juwayriyyah was chosen by the Messenger for himself on the day of the Muraysi raid from the captives.” “Muhammad married Umm, who had embraced Christianity.”

Tabari IX:134 “Muhammad took Zaynab [his daughter-in-law] but Allah did not find any fault in the [incestuous] relationship and ordered the marriage.”
Tabari IX:135 “When the Prophet scrutinized the captives on the day of Khaybar, he threw his cloak over Safayah. Thus she was his chosen one.” Tabari IX:139 “The Messenger married Ghaziyyah after the news of her beauty and skill had reached him.”

Tabari IX:137 “Allah granted Rayhanah of the [Jewish] Qurayza to His Messenger as booty [but only after she had been forced to watch him decapitate her father and brother, seen her mother hauled off to be raped, and her sisters sold into slavery].”

Tabari IX:137 “Mariyah, a Copt slave, was presented to the Prophet. She was given to him by Muqawqis, the ruler of Alexandria.”

Tabari IX:138 “The Prophet married Aliyyah, a Bakr woman. He gave her gifts for divorce and left her. He also married Qutaylah, but he died before he could consummate the marriage.”

Tabari IX:139 “Layla approached the Prophet while his back was to the sun and clapped him on his shoulder. He asked her who it was and she replied, ‘I am the daughter of one who competes with the wind. I am Layla. I have come to offer myself to you.’ He replied, ‘I accept.’” [Layla shared her story with her parents.] “They said, ‘What a bad thing you have done! You are a self-respecting girl, but the Prophet is a womanizer.’”

Tabari IX:147 “A eunuch named Mubur was presented to Muhammad along with two slave girls. One he took as a concubine, the other he gave to Haasn.”
Ishaq:186 “He took me into Paradise and there I saw a damsel with dark red lips. I asked her to whom she belonged, for she pleased me much when I saw her.”

Bukhari:V4B52N211 “I participated in a Ghazwa [raid] with the Prophet. I said, ‘Apostle, I am a bridegroom.’ He asked me whether I had married a virgin or matron. I answered, ‘A matron.’ He said, ‘Why not a virgin who would have played with you? Then you could have played with her.’ ‘Apostle! My father was martyred and I have some young sisters, so I felt it not proper that I should marry a young girl as young as them.’”

Tabari VIII:100 “The Messenger sent Hatib to Muqawqis, the ruler of Alexandria. Hatib delivered the letter of the Prophet, and Muqawqis gave Allah’s Apostle four slave girls.”

Bukhari:V9B86N98 “The Prophet said, ‘A virgin should not be married till she is asked for her consent.’ ‘O Apostle! How will the virgin express her consent?’ He said, ‘By remaining silent.’”

Bukhari:V5B59N342 “Umar said, ‘When my daughter Hafsa lost her husband in the battle of Badr, Allah’s Apostle demanded her hand in marriage and I married her to him.’”
Tabari VIII:1 “In this year the Messenger married Zaynab bt. Jahsh [a first cousin: Allah’s Messenger came to the house of Zayd bin [son of] Muhammad. Perhaps the Messenger missed him at that moment. Zaynab, Zayd’s wife, rose to meet him. She was dressed only in a shift…. She jumped up eagerly and excited the admiration of Allah’s Messenger, so that he turned away murmuring something that could scarcely be understood. However, he did say overtly, ‘Glory be to Allah Almighty, who causes hearts to turn!’ So Zayd went to Muhammad. ‘Prophet, I have heard that you came to my house. Why didn’t you go in? [Dad,] Perhaps Zaynab has excited your admiration, so I will leave her.’”

Tabari VIII:4 “One day Muhammad went out looking for Zayd. Now there was a covering of haircloth over the doorway, but the wind had lifted the covering so that the doorway was uncovered. Zaynab was in her chamber, undressed, and admiration for her entered the heart of the Prophet. After that Allah made her unattractive to Zayd.’”

Tabari VIII:3 “Zayd left her, and she became free. While the Messenger of Allah was talking with Aisha, a fainting overcame him. When he was released from it, he smiled and said, ‘Who will go to Zaynab to tell her the good news? Allah has married her to me.’ Then the Prophet recited [Qur’an 33] to the end of the passage. Aisha said, ‘I became very uneasy because of what we heard about her beauty and another thing, the loftiest of matters, what Allah had done for her by personally giving her to him in marriage. I said that she would boast of it over us.’”
Qur’an 33:4 “Allah has not made your wives whom you divorce your mothers: nor has He made your adopted sons your sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths.”


Qur’an 33:6 “The Prophet has a greater claim on the faithful than they have on themselves, and his wives are their mothers.... This is written in the Book.”

Qur’an 33:37 “You hid in your mind and your heart that which Allah was about to manifest: you feared the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear Allah. Then when Zayd had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We gave her to you, joining her in marriage to you: in order that there may be no difficulty or sin for the Believers in the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And Allah’s command must be fulfilled.”

Qur’an 33:38 “There can be no difficulty, harm, or reproach to the Prophet in doing what Allah has ordained to him as a duty. It was the practice (approved) of Allah amongst those of old that have passed away. And the commandment of Allah is a decree determined. (It is the practice of those) who deliver the Messages of Allah, and fear Him. Allah keeps good account. Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Last of the Prophets with the Seal: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.”

Qur’an 33:48 “And obey not (the behests) of the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites. Disregard their noxious talk and heed not their annoyances, but put thy trust in Allah. For enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.”

Qur’an 33:50 “O Prophet! We have made lawful to you all the wives to whom you have paid dowers; and those whom your hands possess out of the prisoners of war spoils whom Allah has assigned to you; and daughters of your paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of your uncles and aunts, who migrated with you; and any believing woman if the Prophet wishes her; this is a privilege for you only, and not for the rest of the Believers; We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom they possess; in order that there should be no difficulty for you and that you should be free from blame.”

Qur’an 33:51 “You may put off whom you please, and you may take to you whomever you desire. You may defer any of them you please, and you may have whomever you desire; there is no blame on you if you invite one who you had set aside. It is no sin.”

Qur’an 33:28 “O Prophet, say to your wives and consorts: ‘If you desire this world’s life and its glittering adornment, then come! I will provide them for your enjoyment and set you free in a handsome manner. And if you desire Allah and His Messenger and the latter abode, then lo! Allah hath prepared for the good-doers an immense reward.”

Qur’an 33:30 “O Consorts of the Prophet! If any of you are guilty of unseemly conduct, shamelessness, or lewdness, the punishment will be doubled, and that is easy for Allah. But any of you that is devout, obedient, and submissive in the service to Allah and His Messenger, and does good, to her shall We grant her reward twice. We have prepared for her a generously rich provision.”

Qur’an 33:32 “Consorts of the Prophet! You are not like any of the (other) women. Fear and keep your duty, lest one in whose heart is a disease should be moved with desire. Stay quietly in your apartment. Make not a dazzling display like that of the former times of Ignorance. Perform the devotion, pay the zakat; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah wishes to cleanse you with a thorough cleansing. And bear in mind that which is recited in your houses of the revelations of Allah and the wisdom.”

Qur’an 33:36 “It is not fitting for a Muslim man or woman to have any choice in their affairs when a matter has been decided for them by Allah and His Messenger. They have no option. If any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a wrong Path.”

Qur’an 4:23 “Prohibited to you are: your mothers, daughters, sisters.... Also (prohibited are) women already married, except slaves who are captives.” [Rape is okay with Team Islam.]

Bukhari:V5B59N459 “I entered the Mosque, saw Abu, sat beside him and asked about sex. Abu Said said, ‘We went out with Allah’s Apostle and we received female slaves from among the captives. We desired women and we loved to do coitus interruptus.’”


24 posted on 06/01/2005 11:36:50 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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To: Fred Nerks

ROFLOL!!!


25 posted on 06/02/2005 12:15:36 AM PDT by Humidston (Pubbies - GROW SOME!!!)
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To: HitmanNY

I'm with you Hitman. I have been disgusted by lot of those kind of comments also.

Have you been accused of being a bleeding heart liberal because of it also?


26 posted on 06/02/2005 12:36:18 AM PDT by texasflower (Graybeard is a hottie and Rodney King is yummy.....)
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To: CHARLITE
"But now I can walk everywhere in the village with my head high. . . . I'm happy. Extremely, extremely happy," she shouted.

It takes a village...

27 posted on 06/02/2005 2:36:34 AM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: CHARLITE

Isn't it interesting how in TROP men only get "lashes" but women get killed?


28 posted on 06/02/2005 4:17:46 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: CHARLITE

The death cult eats its own.


29 posted on 06/02/2005 4:18:10 AM PDT by tkathy (Tyranny breeds terrorism. Freedom breeds peace.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Thanx for the link to the 'Stones' video. Ir seems they use the same cameraman all over the middle east and he needs to take a course in cine skills, or stop bloody shaking.


30 posted on 06/02/2005 5:30:58 AM PDT by Critical Bill
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To: CHARLITE
the proper resolution of the case would be for Karim, as an unmarried man, to be lashed and Amina, as a married woman, to be stoned to death.

ROP™ SOP

31 posted on 06/02/2005 5:38:22 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: HitmanNY
Adultery is clearly wrong, and anyone who consider punishing a cheating spouse with anything more harsh than a stern reprimand and a well deserved abandonment is a nutbag, plain and simple.

Or the now grown-up child of such a skank...

32 posted on 06/02/2005 5:50:35 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: CHARLITE
Ah yes, all this from the "peaceful", "gentle", "lovely" "religion" of Islam.

Kumbaya.

33 posted on 06/02/2005 7:31:14 AM PDT by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: CHARLITE
"We may exclude them from our territory, as we do persons infected with disease.""

Sooner, rather than later.

34 posted on 06/02/2005 8:05:38 AM PDT by Eastbound (Jacked out since 3/31/05)
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To: CHARLITE
""Every society has a right to fix the fundamental principles of its association, . . . "

Yes. Our principles are spelled out in our founding documents. Too bad immigrants and their progeny are not required to read them and sign on to them as a requirement of citizenship here.

Really not all that complicated. Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness and justice for all under the rules of OUR law.

35 posted on 06/02/2005 8:19:36 AM PDT by Eastbound (Jacked out since 3/31/05)
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To: CHARLITE

Agreed.


36 posted on 06/02/2005 9:09:56 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Sorry George, Hillary and Bill will give up their absolute power, only when it is pried from their)
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To: Fred Nerks

Very interesting.


37 posted on 06/02/2005 9:19:42 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Sorry George, Hillary and Bill will give up their absolute power, only when it is pried from their)
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To: Eastbound

If current events [the "Road-MAp"] in Israel continue, the Jewish State will become a vague memory, a collection of papers gathering dust in the archives of some museum. Then the West will feel the full brunt of Islamic horror.

The Muslims are prepared for the takeover....we in the West are helping them immeasurably.

Check this interview out;
http://www.israpundit.com/archives/2005/05/sounding_the_wa.php#more


38 posted on 06/02/2005 9:22:55 AM PDT by Psion ("He who dares not offend cannot be honest." Thomas Paine)
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To: texasflower
It's a very small minority of people on FR who have such a strange outlook on it, but I point it out because it isn't that many steps removed from nutcake behavior like in the article.

There's a lot worse a person can do than cheat on their spouse. Like I said, if I had a cheating spouse, I'd be mad, upset, etc, but not violent. Nope, pack your backs and hit the bricks - I'm free to find a woman who appreciates me, and she would become somebody else's problem.

But stoning? Insane.

I have not been accused of being liberal because of it, but I have been accused of being somewhat less than a man for it (no idea where that comes from), and also for being morally 'lost' over the issue.

That kind of extremism isn't 'conservative' as far as I am concerned. Anybody that fearful of being cuckolded should avoid marriage and just get a pet.
39 posted on 06/02/2005 9:58:54 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: papertyger
Indeed - the most fiercely anti-divorce person I know (and the most resentful of abandoning spouses) is the child of a broken home. His Mom made a lady friend who suckered her into the whole early 1970s feminist worldview - she soon decided she wanted 'more' and abandoned her hubby and family for the fulfilling world of work.

The son to this day hates her for it, and belittles his dad for being a wimp about it and letting her go without a fight. I don't blame dad, actually - anytime a chick in my life protests that she wants out, I say 'there's the door, hit the bricks' and move on. :-)
40 posted on 06/02/2005 10:06:53 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: CHARLITE
Another killing commanded by Islamic law: the assassination of Jihadwatch.com director Robert Spencer.

Fortunately, the revivingislam.com has been shut down by the hosting service. (for now)

41 posted on 06/02/2005 10:13:20 AM PDT by Alouette (The only thing learned from history is that nobody ever learns from history.)
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To: HitmanNY

I share your attitude on the open door policy. Nevertheless, there's quite a gap between stoning and the finger wagging you prescribe. There's something wrong with *you* if you think violating a contract should be essentially penalty free.


42 posted on 06/02/2005 10:17:41 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger

Who said penalty free? She wouldn't be married to a great guy like me anymore - that's damn near torturous, I think. ;-)


43 posted on 06/02/2005 10:20:07 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: HitmanNY

Guess ya got me on that one.

:o>


44 posted on 06/02/2005 10:25:00 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Psion
Thanks for the link, Psion. Looks like it needs to be a thread of its own. Can you do that? Thanks.

http://www.israpundit.com/archives/2005/05/sounding_the_wa.php#more

Here's another story on that site we should be looking at too:

http://www.israpundit.com/archives/2005/06/the_coming_fall.php#more

Definitely relates to this topic!

45 posted on 06/02/2005 10:26:29 AM PDT by Eastbound (Jacked out since 3/31/05)
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To: papertyger

A little sense of humor goes a very long way, especially when a love interest walks out on you. :-)

Chaplin said that life is a tragedy when seen in closeup, but a comedy in long shot. I am inclined to agree with him! ;-)


46 posted on 06/02/2005 10:28:25 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: Lockbar

It was also an ideal place for a stoning

Be aware! This could come to America. Coming to Canada if not already there.


47 posted on 06/02/2005 10:29:33 AM PDT by Isabelle
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To: CHARLITE
If the socialist third world wannabees actually achieved their vision, the law of unintended consequences* would be invoked and most of them would suffer the fate of poor Amina.

* LUC does not apply to leaders or overlords

48 posted on 06/02/2005 10:35:18 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: All
BTW The article contains great tagline material -

My Islamic dignity was so offended

49 posted on 06/02/2005 10:39:11 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: HitmanNY

The traditional seriousness of adultery is that it leads to false claims against property and status or class; powerful stuff in strongly hierarchical societies.


50 posted on 06/02/2005 10:43:36 AM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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