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'Gay Days'? The reality of gender-disorientation pathology - (strong arguments!)
TOWNHALL.COM ^ | JUNE 3, 2005 | MARK ALEXANDER

Posted on 06/04/2005 9:43:30 AM PDT by CHARLITE

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To: Charles Wickman

Homosexuals DO have the right to marry members of the opposite sex.

The BS is that homosexuals try and put forth the notion that the law has something to do with love. Love has NEVER been part of the marriage equation under the law.

Homosexuality equates sexual recreation with love. They seek to convert the society rewarded institution of marriage into a mere living aragnegment of recreational sex.

Homosexuality is a learned behavior. All psychology went for the BF Skinner model of human behavior as being learned EXCEPT when it came to this political issue.


181 posted on 06/04/2005 9:36:02 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: IrishRainy

How about this analogy: I can use a wrench as a hammer to drive a nail, but no matter what I do it is still a wrench being used contrary to design.


182 posted on 06/04/2005 9:39:47 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

A soulfully smitten fascination with truth and honest living and fear of both, is a more likely scenario. Some describe this phenomenon as the driving force of human nature for life. Then again, some are so scared they try to imitate the reality- no matter what...


183 posted on 06/04/2005 9:41:32 PM PDT by Treader (Hillary's dark smile is reminiscent of Stalin's inhuman grin...)
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To: thombo
IQ is inherited.Environment plays a part(in intelligence)as well."It's not scientific".Do you mean it can't be measured?Wrong again.No IQ test is perfect,but testing can provide meaningful measurement.Your reference to homosexuality,could it be an "inherited connection"?I belive it is possible.What's wrong with that?Do you believe it's possible?

Intelligence cannot be measured scientifically. Test until your hearts content, but do not be a biological determinist and fall for the fallacy of believing that you can quantify or assign a single entity to the abstraction of intelligence. Once you do this... then you naturally fall into the second fallacy of ranking.

American Psychologists of the past took these hard "objective" number values and have used them to form ever more complex arguements of worthiness to rank race, class, sex, or to even find those that them deem inferior or even deserve their status.

I believe that intelligence is acquired. Whatever one generation learns it can pass to the next by teaching, writings, traditions, rituals, etc.

Homosexuality could be genetic...if so...it could be cured. Would the homosexuals want that...or are they content with their behavior even though they are not following their biological form and function?

184 posted on 06/04/2005 10:17:30 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: Treader

It was accepted by all people or just the elites of the country? I'm not sure of any instance where whole populations were doing this...maybe Sodom and Gomorrah.

We all know what happened to that place.


185 posted on 06/04/2005 10:33:51 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: I got the rope

The Roman Empire is the best example.


186 posted on 06/04/2005 10:42:28 PM PDT by Treader (Hillary's dark smile is reminiscent of Stalin's inhuman grin...)
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To: I got the rope

A civilization always collapses from the top. Egypt is another prime example.


187 posted on 06/04/2005 10:58:40 PM PDT by Treader (Hillary's dark smile is reminiscent of Stalin's inhuman grin...)
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To: I got the rope

The final fall of the Chinese Empire is another...


188 posted on 06/04/2005 11:01:42 PM PDT by Treader (Hillary's dark smile is reminiscent of Stalin's inhuman grin...)
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To: Treader

Chinese sodomites? Really?


189 posted on 06/04/2005 11:11:39 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: Charles Wickman

"by Charles Wickman (Cheney in '08!)""

Hmmmm, perhaps you have Cheney in '08 because he has a lesbian daughter. Could that be too far a stretch? When you have Cheney in 08 knowing he isn't running. Odd.


190 posted on 06/04/2005 11:28:50 PM PDT by flaglady47
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To: I got the rope

Eunuchs and non-gelded "butterflys" (rough translation) were an integral part an Emperor's Court, and this accepted sodomy extended to all lower officiary. These types were also well tolerated in common society, prior to the fall of Emperor China.


191 posted on 06/04/2005 11:50:40 PM PDT by Treader (Hillary's dark smile is reminiscent of Stalin's inhuman grin...)
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To: flaglady47

Of course it will be denied, lol...


192 posted on 06/04/2005 11:54:29 PM PDT by Treader (Hillary's dark smile is reminiscent of Stalin's inhuman grin...)
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To: Treader
Then again, some are so scared they try to imitate the reality- no matter what...

They are wearing a mask, much like the actors in ancient Greek drama...

193 posted on 06/05/2005 4:58:11 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: longtermmemmory
Homosexuality is a learned behavior. All psychology went for the BF Skinner model of human behavior as being learned EXCEPT when it came to this political issue.

Exactly. They are trying to put us in a Skinner Box, aren't they?

194 posted on 06/05/2005 5:01:03 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Charles Wickman

I have many friends and acquaintances who are gay, and I respect them all as people. By and large, the gays I know contribute to society and are not interested in a political agenda--they are not "in your face" queers.

But what you propose, gay "marriage" is impossible.

The fact is that sexual activity is ordained toward childbearing and raising children in a familial environment. That's why the genders were engineered the way they are.

You've attempted to "make points" by pointing out this society's failures and anomalies, and then saying "well, if Bobby and Sue can fornicate/get divorced/prevent conception, then gays can marry..." Wrong. A false premise argument--producing a false conclusion.

It is irrelevant that the Enron management was composed of a bunch of crooks when considering accounting entries at, say, ExxonMobil. Right action, founded on right understanding of moral law, is what IS relevant.

Your relative's situation is difficult for you--and likely even more so for him. But that doesn't mean that his difficulty should militate erasure of the natural law, nor accord him the benefits rightly-ordered societies have conferred on married couples.


195 posted on 06/05/2005 6:11:51 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: phil1750
It will be a very cold day in he!! when I give Disney any of my money.

I'm with you, but it's harder than you might think. Stay away from ABC, ESPN, Cartoon Network, Hyperion Books, ABC News Radio, Baby Einstein, Buena Vista, MIramax and Touchstone Films, in addition to all the stuff labeled Disney.
196 posted on 06/05/2005 6:27:27 AM PDT by sittnick (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: Charles Wickman
I'd still like to know how you're going to show us the "1,000 leather hustlers or bath-house frequenters or papa bears or twinks"

Google it. Pollute your own machine.

Iron Jack indeed! sounds like a very macho name

Awwwwww, you're making me blush.

Time to quit hiding behind the lie that homosexuals are just couples whose love dare not speak its name. Homosexuality centers around promiscuity, not commitment, and it is no more about "family" than abortion is.

It's nothing more than another dialectical issue the left is using to fracture our culture.

197 posted on 06/05/2005 8:06:11 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: IrishRainy
Homosexuality is a lifestyle choice. There may be a predilection toward someone of the same sex, but that can be overcome...much as the alcoholic has a predilection toward alcohol.

I'm not sure that I agree; however, I guess it could be argued that the pursuit of homosexual practices is a lifestyle choice.

Some psychiatrists suggest that "aversion therapy" has had some short term success...but the data is not fully in and the rate of recidivisim appears to be substantial.

Others argue that homosexuals could repress their behavior if so inclined...but this would probably lead to either physical or mental illness, or in the acting out in other anti-social directions.

In all things biological, sex is the most powerful driving force known and as far as I am aware, can't be successfully sublimated over the long term.

198 posted on 06/05/2005 9:30:00 AM PDT by infocats
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To: I got the rope
ROTFLMAO! I'm telling ya...you've got to come in here.

I have a better idea. I'll fill you in later.


199 posted on 06/05/2005 2:03:36 PM PDT by rdb3 (Yeah, but what's it spelled backwards?)
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To: CHARLITE; A. Pole; FormerLib
I've noticed that the "liberal" crowd has made nearly every month some sort of "minority" or feminazi month. February was African-American history month, March was women's (i.e., feminazi) history month, and May was Asian-Pacific heritage month. Of course, there is no month for the Euro-American culture, which is the basis of everything that America is.

By default, because of "Gay" Pride (???) week, which is this week, June is "Gay" month. That is why Disney World is sponsoring their sodomite extravaganza this week. In my blue-state area, one must avoid going downtown next weekend to keep away from the "Pride" (????) parade and other "gay" hooplah.

A much better, and healthier choice for June would be to make it Serbian-American Heritage Month, because of Vidovdan! The "liberal" elitists of course will never go along with that, but the people can begin celebrating it anyway!

200 posted on 06/05/2005 4:07:53 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Hristos voskrese!)
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