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Expert tells doctors: let youngest premature babies die
Times of London ^ | 6/5/05 | Sarah-Kate Templeton

Posted on 06/05/2005 2:29:56 PM PDT by wagglebee

BRITAIN’S top medical ethics expert has urged doctors to let the most premature babies die, with treatment offered only in exceptional cases.

Baroness Warnock believes Britain should follow Holland in setting an age limit below which babies would not routinely be resuscitated.

She says this would prevent doctors competing for the “triumph” of keeping babies alive at increasingly young ages even though they may not survive in the long term or may be left severely disabled.

Warnock’s comments were backed in part by Britain’s most senior paediatrician, who said the setting of a lower limit should be considered.

In Holland, doctors do not routinely administer intensive care to babies born before 25 weeks of pregnancy. The Nuffield Council on Bioethics, a medical think tank, is considering proposing similar guidelines in Britain. It is consulting doctors, nurses and parents about setting a 24-week limit.

Warnock, who helped frame laws on embryo research and fertility treatment, supports setting an age limit, with exceptions for babies who show they have a strong chance of living to become healthy children.

“Some doctors and nurses get competitive about the triumph of keeping these tiny, premature, babies alive,” she said. “It would be better to set a minimum age than to have no form of scrutiny or regulation. Below a certain age of gestation no baby should be kept going without very thorough scrutiny of what the prognosis for that baby is.”

Although most doctors are opposed to an age limit, Sir Alan Craft, president of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, said it was a legitimate option to consider. “One possible course of action would be not to intervene with any 23-week-old babies unless they breathe completely and spontaneously themselves,” he said.

Craft, speaking in a personal capacity, argues that, as it is not possible to tell which babies born at 23 weeks or less will survive, doctors are forced to consider resuscitating all of them, although the majority have no chance of living.

Once doctors have started assisting these babies, he says, parents find it difficult to agree to treatment being withdrawn, even though it is of no help.

The Nuffield council is investigating the costs of raising the disabled children that premature babies often become as well as the expense of intensive care in neonatal units.

A study of the most premature babies showed most went on to suffer disabilities. The EPICure study of babies born at 25 weeks or less, led by researchers at Nottingham University, found that, by the age of six, only 20% of surviving children had no disabilities; 22% had severe disabilities, including cerebral palsy; while 34% had milder problems such as a squint.

In addition, it found that only 11% of all babies born at 23 weeks survived. Since the study began, however, care has improved and the figure is believed to be closer to 20%.

Bliss, the premature baby charity, says about 50 babies born at 23 weeks survive every year and it would be wrong to deny them the chance to live.

Bonnie Green, head of external relations, said: “We would be very unhappy. It is expensive to keep adults who may not pull through in intensive care but, in their case, we do not say ‘let’s use the money for something else’.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: abortion; babies; baby; cultureofdeath; eugenics; euthenasia; healthcare; hitlerycare; holland; infanticide; medicalethics; moralabsolutes; neonate; preemies; prematurebabies; prodeath; prolife; socialism; socialistmedicine; socializedmedicine
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To: wagglebee
Isn't Socialist medicine grand? Life itself is subject to a cost-benefit analysis.

It's fascist. It's ugly. But it sure saves money.

41 posted on 06/05/2005 4:13:26 PM PDT by Reactionary
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To: wagglebee

This is completely heartless. I am aghast.


42 posted on 06/05/2005 4:18:05 PM PDT by LibKill (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.)
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To: wagglebee
What next, shall we eat our young? How's about saving them and shipping them off to Thailand so they can serve pedophile masters?

This lev of evil is beyond words.

43 posted on 06/05/2005 4:20:24 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (God Bless.)
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To: mmercier

And well should be compared to Hitler, they also take the same path as Hitler, after all Hitler was also a Socialist just as they are, he headed "The National Socialist Party".

They shout their own name while having sex. A Godless generation that has the blood of millions on its hands.


44 posted on 06/05/2005 4:22:03 PM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry & Democrats; supported, financed, trained, guided, revered, in favor of, Communists.)
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To: HighlyOpinionated
It always boils down to money, doesn't it?

Pro-Lifers are going to have to completely abandon.

The most naive group IMO are the "social justice" Christians. They want the government to pay for cradle to grave, but howl when the leviathan state that they helped create decides to cut off people.

45 posted on 06/05/2005 4:22:54 PM PDT by rmmcdaniell
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To: wagglebee
More evidence that Europe is marching off a cliff, spiritually as well as economically, culturally and strategically.

Baroness Warnock. What a name. Sounds like something out of Revenge of the Sith.

47 posted on 06/05/2005 4:24:13 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("I'm not very dignified." - Howard Dean)
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To: wagglebee

The same eugenics morality code which the U.S.A. saved Great Britians ass from the nazis. It is an easy sell. You see the "experts" in morality now proclaim that this group of people have fewer rights to life than others. As long as it doesn't effect me, well thats ok. G.K.Chesterton warned us in the early 1900s of this. Few listened, and the holocaust was the result of turning blind eye. Now lets kill the least among us. It is hard to believe it has come to this.


48 posted on 06/05/2005 4:25:38 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: Nihao

WTF do they mean by squint anyway? So you're kid will need glasses or contacts or Lasik, and they want to kill for this.


49 posted on 06/05/2005 4:26:05 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
My father was born in 1912. I have no idea of how many weeks gestation.

He was born "in the veil",as the story is told. The midwife noticed some movement and cut the sac open and delivered him. He had no eyelashes and only a few fingernails were developed. They put him in a shoebox and kept him on an open oven door to keep him warm.

My Hungarian immigrant grandmother didn't know that he couldn't possibly survive so she did everything she could to keep him alive.

He was undersized until he had a huge growth spurt around age ten, he was about 5"7" as an adult and fought as a middleweight at 158 lbs as an amateur boxer.

During WW2 he worked at a Wright Aero. engine factory slinging unmachined aluminum ingots around for 12 hours a day.

He fathered three of us who are eternally grateful that there was no cockeyed liberal do-gooder around to talk my grandmother out of saving him.Amen

51 posted on 06/05/2005 4:29:42 PM PDT by oldsalt (There's no such thing as a free lunch.)
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To: wagglebee
My son was born premature. Now he's about 8-10 inches taller than any child in his class at the same age. He's also an A-student and he's one of the few children his age who I would describe as "beautiful". We are going to have a hard time keeping the girls away from him we already do. He won't have any problem either way, as he's a couple of weeks away from his purple belt and can put his old man down even if I use the bag. I had never personally witnessed a woman fight to keep a child as my wife did. I'm not saying woman haven't fought larger struggles, but I personally witness this.

That being said, I am aghast that the media gives this monster a voice.

52 posted on 06/05/2005 4:30:08 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: wagglebee
this is disgusting and it pisses me off on so many levels.

socialism rots from the inside out
socialized medicine is dangerous and kills more people than it helps
playing God is not a good idea

when my husband was a pediatric resident there was a neonatologist who spouted this crap ("we shouldn't save the littlest babies b/c of cost blah, blah") UNTIL his kid was born --you bet that every intervention was implemented...the hypocrisy of the left never ceases to amaze me.
53 posted on 06/05/2005 4:33:00 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ("A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.")
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To: wagglebee

How bout those old non working slugs over 65, they get sick, off they go.


54 posted on 06/05/2005 4:36:18 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: wagglebee

Ghouls, the lot of them.


55 posted on 06/05/2005 4:40:18 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: wagglebee

The same thing happens here in some states the law requires it.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151862,00.html


56 posted on 06/05/2005 4:46:21 PM PDT by bushisforpeace
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To: wagglebee
BRITAIN’S top medical ethics expert has urged doctors to let the most premature babies die, with treatment offered only in exceptional cases. . . . . Baroness Warnock believes Britain should follow Holland in setting an age limit below which babies would not routinely be resuscitated.

Can anyone tell me how this woman came to be considered "Britain's top medical ethics expert"? What are her qualifications?

57 posted on 06/05/2005 4:46:54 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: wagglebee; All
-Useless Eaters vs The Death Cult--
58 posted on 06/05/2005 4:48:51 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: Caipirabob

My brother went through similar experiences (see #11).


59 posted on 06/05/2005 5:13:40 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: DoughtyOne

I cannot fathom putting an arbitrary number of months on which baby can survive.

My oldest daughter was born at 28 weeks and fortunately she was born in a research hospital for neonatal care. At that time, there was very much of chance she would not have survived in a regular hospital; not only did she survive because of the care she received in the hospital, she came home on her due date. She never had any problems from being born premature, not one. She was just smaller and thankfully because of the shots I received the 24 hours before she was born by C-Section, her lungs were strengthened. If 28 years ago, my daughter survived and thrived at 28 weeks, I wouldn't say 24 weeks was out of the question with the new technology.


60 posted on 06/05/2005 5:15:39 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- J.C. for OK Governor; Allen in 2008)
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