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An American Traitor: Guilty As Charged [Jane Fonda]
Frontpagemagazine ^ | 6-10-05 | Henry Mark Holzer and Erika Holzer

Posted on 06/10/2005 5:48:00 AM PDT by SJackson

An American Traitor: Guilty As Charged
By Henry Mark Holzer and Erika Holzer
FrontPageMagazine.com | June 10, 2005

For three decades Jane Fonda obfuscated, distorted and lied about virtually everything connected with her wartime trip to North Vietnam: her motive, her acts, her intent, and her contribution to the Communists’ war effort.  With the aid of clever handlers, she so successfully suppressed and spun her conduct in Hanoi that many Americans didn’t know what she had done there, and, more important, the legal significance. 

Three years ago, our book, “Aid and Comfort”: Jane Fonda in North Vietnam (McFarland & Co.), laid bare the incontrovertible facts, applied the American law of treason to them —and proved, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Jane Fonda should have been indicted for (and would have been convicted of) treason.

With the recent publication of Fonda’s autobiography, My Life So Far —which, with one minor exception,  does not contain a single cited source to support any claim she makes in her text, or any quotation she uses—the woman justly dubbed “Hanoi Jane” makes statements and provides details that inadvertently lend support to every key charge against her.

 

Especially noteworthy is that she devotes 50 pages of her nearly 600 page book—which spans about seventy years of  her life—to the two-week trip to Communist North Vietnam that tarnished her public image forever. One of these chapters is called “Framed” which is a pun referring to the infamous photograph of her sitting on a North Vietnamese anti-craft gun and also the characteristically perverse claim of innocence by a defendant whom that same photograph has caught in the act. Since her conduct in wartime Vietnam continues to inflame Americans – vets harassed and even spat on her during her book tour -- and to dog her heels at every turn, one might have expected her to put some substance into her account of this period in her life.  Instead, the public is served up with lies that are transparent and omissions designed to bury the truth. 

 

Motive

 

In Aid and Comfort we discussed at length the important legal distinction between “motive” and “intent.”  In essence, it’s the difference between wanting to kill your neighbor because he’s been sleeping with your wife (motive), and acting in furtherance of that motive by putting a bullet in his head (intent).  In a courtroom it is the latter that matters. One of the elements of the crime of treason is an intent to betray the United States.  We wanted to make clear that, whatever motivated Fonda to make the trip to Hanoi, it was her intent in going there, and in doing what she did there, that would be relevant to a tribunal determining whether she committed treason or not.

 

Still, we did wonder why an American citizen would have traveled to the capital of a ruthless enemy of the United States who was torturing American prisoners of war and killing our fighting men.  Accordingly, we raised the question and explored some answers:

 

Why did Jane Fonda travel to Hanoi during her country’s war with North Vietnam?  While no one can know for certain—perhaps not even Fonda herself, because of the complex psychological drives at work within her—and while motive (as distinguished from intent) is not a defense to the crime of treason, still, it is useful to consider why Fonda acted as she did in Hanoi.  That consideration is rooted in an examination of Fonda’s background, in which much can be found to explain her radicalization and her later propaganda broadcasts and other pro-Communist, anti-American conduct.  Based on that background, we offer an opinion: Jane Fonda’s desperate psychological need to overcome early parental rejection, to acquire a sense of identity and self esteem, and to fill her empty value system, caused her, first, to become an antiwar militant, and then to journey to wartime North Vietnam.

 

How right we were.

 

In a mere two sentences, on page 290 of her book, Fonda gives her reason for going to North Vietnam: “Heightened public attention—even if it took controversy to achieve it—was what was needed to confront the impending crisis with [threatened American bombing] of the [North Vietnamese] dikes.  I would take a camera and bring back photographic evidence (if such was to be found) of the bomb damage to the dikes we’d been hearing about.”

 

Fonda wants readers to believe that at the time she went to Vietnam there was no “heightened public attention,” no “controversy” about bombing the dikes, when of course there was. It was seen in Washington and opposed on the left as a measure to stop the North Vietnamese aggression and end the war. But Fonda wants readers to believe that no one else in the international antiwar, anti-American, pro-Communist movement was “confront[ing] the impending crisis” and that the North Vietnamese were not conducting a ferocious propaganda campaign to prevent destruction of their dikes. It was up to her, Jane Fonda, an actress with a “small 8-millimenter film camera” and a “still camera” to in her autobiography’s oft-repeated mantra, “make it better.”

 

That Fonda would dream up by herself such a heroic, history altering project is in fact belied by the self-portrait she paints in the preceding 289 pages in which she repeatedly confesses that she “would become whatever I felt the people whose love and attention I needed wanted me to be”; that she had “a lifelong feeling of not being good enough”; that she believed herself to be “weak and worthless;” that “it was always men I was concerned about pleasing.” 

 

The man she was intent upon pleasing then – who actually sent her to North Vietnam -- was antiwar activist, pro-Vietnamese Communist and self-styled anti-American “revolutionary” Tom Hayden. Hayden had previously traveled to Bratislava, Czechoslovakia with an SDS delegation to meet with the Vietnamese Communists and counsel them on how to conduct psychological warfare against the United States.

 

“Tom felt strongly that I should go,” she writes.  “Perhaps it would take a different sort of celebrity to get people’s attention.” (In other words, as a political activist, Hayden didn’t have celebrity enough.)

 

So actress Jane Fonda, encouraged by her pro-Communist husband-to-be, and wearing the proud mantle of a “different sort of celebrity,” journeyed to the Communist capitol – the capitol of the aggression against South Vietnam – to provide its regime with propaganda support for its war. This was precisely the support that our American prisoners of war refused to give their Communist captors even at the price of physical and mental torture and, in some cases, death.

 

Propaganda

 

Propaganda was an integral part of the psychological warfare strategy of the North Vietnamese Communists.  They used it to rally their own citizens.  They used it to undermine successive governments in the South, to strengthen Hanoi’s ties to China, to the Soviet Union, and to other communist regimes.  They used it to shake morale in American and allied forces and to enlist sympathy and aid from non-Communist countries around the world.  Most importantly, they used it to undermine the will of the American people to carry on the war, which they knew was the key to their victory since they could not match America’s military strength. As we wrote in Aid and Comfort: “[D]espite the ‘public relations’ risk of torturing American prisoners of war, the North Vietnamese chanced it because of the high value they placed on propaganda.”  (More about Hanoi’s torture of American prisoners of war below).

 

In the fifty or so pages Fonda devotes to her trip to Hanoi, the only time Fonda even alludes to the possibility that the Communists might be using her for propaganda, is when she claims that on arriving there, it occurred to her to “wonder whether this is a group of seasoned cadres whose job it is to manipulate me.”

 

She didn’t wonder long. Fonda was in fact a willing accomplice to such manipulation.  She would participate in multiple photo-ops, press conferences, official meetings, guided tours and radio broadcasts.  She would work from scripts that were provided for her. And in the end she would satisfy the Communist propagandists beyond their wildest dreams.

 

Of all her disreputable achievements in these two weeks, it was her Radio Hanoi broadcasts and her meeting with seven American POWs that most profited the North Vietnamese regime.  Fonda made about eight broadcasts, some live, some taped.  She would have us believe that not until several days after her arrival in Hanoi—and then only as a result of what she had seen on the ground—did the idea of radio broadcasts arise.  She claims the broadcasts were solely her idea:

 

As we step from the Viet Duc hospital into the sunlight, I have made up

 my mind.  “I want to speak on your radio,” I say to my hosts. “I want to

 try to tell U.S. pilots what I am seeing here on the ground.” * * * I must

try to make what I am seeing as personal an experience for them as it is

 for the soldiers on the ground in South Vietnam.  I have come

 to bear witness, and while I have not planned this, I feel

 it as a moral imperative.

 

Lies and Omissions

 

Of her broadcasts over Radio Hanoi, Fonda writes in her autobiography,  “Aside from a few notes I have scribbled to myself, I speak extemporaneously, from my heart, about what I have witnessed and how it made me feel.” 

 

This claim, as we showed in Aid and Comfort, is ludicrous: “Consider some of the statements made by this young actress who lacked political sophistication, who was ignorant of history, who had an almost non-existent knowledge of international affairs, and who probably had never before written anything more complicated than a check: “neocolonialism,” the 1954 Geneva Accords, what constituted a military target, different types of aircraft and ordnance . . .  and more.  It is obvious that in Hanoi, Jane Fonda was acting as a willing tool of the Communists, to a considerable extent simply reading “canned” material created by professional Communist propagandists (albeit with perhaps an occasional ad-lib).  Indeed, some of the words and syntax are those of a person or persons for whom English was not a first language, and it is doubtful that the political language came from Fonda herself.

 

Fonda also lies about why she made the propaganda broadcasts.  She writes: “I want to speak on your radio, I say to my hosts.  I want to tell U.S. pilots what I am seeing here on the ground.”

 

If, as she claims in her autobiography, the purpose of her broadcasts was to apprise pilots and ground troops of what our bombing was doing to the North, why did she broadcast the following statements (among others like them)?

 

·        The Vietnamese people were peasants—leading a peaceful, bucolic life before the Americans came to destroy Vietnam.

 

·        The Vietnamese seek only “freedom and independence”—which the United States wants to prevent them from having.

 

·        The Vietnamese fighters are her “friends.”

                       

·        The million infantry troops which the United States put into Vietnam, and the Vietnamization program, have failed.

 

·        The United States seeks to turn Vietnam into a “neocolony.”

 

·        Patrick Henry’s slogan “liberty or death” was not very different from Ho Chi Minh’s “Nothing is more valuable than independence and freedom.”

 

·        Nixon violated the 1954 Geneva Accords.

 

·        Vietnam is “one nation, one country.”

 

·        The Communists’ proposal for ending the war is “fair, sensible, reasonable and humanitarian.”

 

·        The United States must get out of South Vietnam and “cease its support for the . . . Thieu regime.”

 

·        “I want to publicly accuse Nixon here of being a new-type Hitler whose crimes are being unveiled.”

 

·        “The Vietnamese people will win.”

 

·        “Nixon is continuing to risk your [American pilots’] lives and the lives of the American prisoners of war . . . in a last desperate gamble to keep his office come November.  How does it feel to be used as pawns?  You may be shot down, you may perhaps even be killed, but for what, and for whom?”

 

·        Nixon “defiles our flag and all that it stands for in the eyes of the entire world.”

 

·        “Knowing who was doing the lying, should you then allow these same people and some liars to define for you who your enemy is?”

 

·        American troops are fighting for ESSO, Shell and Coca-Cola.

 

·        “Should we be fighting on the side of the people who are, who are murdering innocent people, should we be trying to defend a government in Saigon which is putting in jail tens of thousands of people into the tiger cages, beating them, torturing them . . . . And I don’t think . . . that we should be risking our lives or fighting to defend that kind of government.”

 

·        “We . . . have a common enemy—U. S. imperialism.”

 

·        “We thank you [the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese] for your brave and heroic fight.”

 

·        “Nixon’s aggression against Vietnam is a racist aggression [and] the American war in Vietnam is a racist war, a white man’s war.”

 

·        Soldiers of the South Vietnamese army “are being sent to fight a war that is not in your interests but is in the interests of the small handful of people who have gotten rich and hope to get richer off this war and the turning of your country into a neocolony of the United States.”

 

·        “The only way to end the war is for the United States to withdraw all its troops, all its airplanes, its bombs, its generals, its CIA advisors and to stop the support of the . . .  regime in Saigon . . . .”

 

·        “There is only one way to stop Richard Nixon from committing mass genocide in the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, and that is for a mass protest . . . to expose his crimes . . . .”

 

·        “In 1969—1970 the desertions in the American army tripled.  The desertions of the U.S. soldiers almost equaled the desertions from the ARVN army . . . .”

 

·        American soldiers in Vietnam discovered “that their officers were incompetent, usually drunk . . . .”

 

·        “Perhaps the soldiers . . . who have suffered the most . . . [are] the black soldiers, the brown soldiers, and the red and Asian soldiers.”

 

·        Recently I talked to “a great many of these guys and they all expressed their recognition of the fact that this is a white man’s war, a white businessman’s war, that they don’t feel it’s their place to kill other people of color when at home they themselves are oppressed and prevented from determining their own lives.”

 

·        “I heard horrifying stories about the treatment of women in the U.S. military.  So many women said to me that one of the first things that happens to them when they enter the service is that they are taken to see the company psychiatrist and they are given a little lecture which is made very clear to them that they are there to service the men.”

 

Whoever scripted this blatant anti-American, pro-Communist propaganda, one thing is certain: it had nothing to do with apprising pilots and ground troops of the consequences of American bombing in North Vietnam.  Fonda’s transparently crude attempts to provide the Communists with a famous American voice to mouth their propaganda and undermine our war efforts in Vietnam could have had only one purpose: to provide aid and comfort to our enemy.

 

Doubtless because the accusation has dogged her for over three decades (we made the same charge in Aid and Comfort), Fonda found it necessary to disabuse her readers by tossing in a single throwaway sentence: “[S]ome will later accuse me of treason for urging soldiers to desert—something I do not do.” 

 

Here is Fonda speaking live over Radio Hanoi, and on tape, virtually inviting South Vietnamese soldiers (and, by implication, American troops) to desert:

 

We read with interest about the growing numbers of you [South Vietnam Army troops] who are understanding the truth and joining with your fellow countrymen to fight for freedom and independence and democracy [i.e., with the Communists].  We note with interest, for example, that as in the case of the 56th Regiment of the 3d Division of the Saigon Army, ARVN soldiers are taken into the ranks of the National Liberation Front [the Viet Cong], including officers who may retain their rank.  We think that this is an example of the fact that the democratic, peace-loving, patriotic Vietnamese people want to embrace all Vietnamese people in forgiveness, open their arms to all people who are willing to fight against the foreign intruder.  [Emphasis ours]

 

How can the Communists “embrace” and “open their arms” to South Vietnamese and American troops unless they desert?

 

As to encouraging “mutiny”—a word never mentioned, a subject not even addressed, in Fonda’s autobiography—Fonda’s Radio Hanoi broadcasts, unlike her veiled nuances devoted to desertion, are not so subtle: “[Although] we do not condone the killing of American officers . . . we do support the soldiers who are beginning to think for themselves.” 

 

Which soldiers were those?  Beginning to think about what?  The juxtaposition of these two thoughts—killing officers and thinking for themselves—can have no meaning other than applauding, even encouraging, the “fragging” (murder by hand grenade) of officers by enlisted men.

 

Fonda is insistent in her autobiography about having gone to wartime North Vietnam only because she wanted to help stop the killing and end the war: “I…wanted to…stop the killing.”

 

Another lie.  Worse than a lie—a perverse irony.  By providing the North Vietnamese Communists with an abundance of timely anti-American, pro-Communist propaganda, Fonda’s trip and the activities of her comrades in the anti-war movement who were also inspired by her betrayals actually lengthened the war and, concomitantly, increased the deaths and casualties on both sides. 

 

Fonda, herself, along with Hayden and their followers, have for years taken credit for restraining the Nixon Administration from destroying the dikes—an action which, by all accounts, would have shortened the war and perhaps even ended it, reducing at least one year’s casualties.

 

That Fonda’s propaganda efforts played an important role in prolonging the war and increasing the death toll is attested to by North Vietnamese Colonel Bui Tin.  In a postwar interview with The Wall Street Journal reproduced at length in “Aid and Comfort, ” the Colonel, a dedicated Communist cadre for most of his life, confidant of Ho Chi Minh and the architect of the “Ho Chi Minh Trail” along which the North Vietnamese conducted their aggression against the South, and also one of the first officers of their army to enter Saigon on the day it fell, had this to say:

 

Wall Street Journal:  Was the American antiwar movement important to Hanoi’s victory?

 

Bui Tin:  It was essential to our strategy.  Support for the war from our rear [China] was completely secure while the American rear was vulnerable.  Every day our leadership would listen to world news over the radio at 9 a.m. to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement.  Visits to Hanoi by people like Jane Fonda . . . gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses.

(Emphasis ours)

 

The identical point was made by North Vietnamese Defense Minister General Vo Nguyen Giap, the architect of France’s defeat at Dien Bien Phu.  This was the man most responsible for the Communists’ military strategy in their war with the United States.

 

Stop the killing?  End the war?  Jane Fonda’s treason unquestionably prolonged both.  What she “ended” were the lives of many Americans, and many more Vietnamese for whom she claimed to have such sympathy.

 

Most chilling of all, perhaps, is that the consequences of Fonda’s actions did not begin and end with Vietnam.  In facilitating a Communist victory in Vietnam, Jane Fonda, self-described woman of conscience, contributed to the genocidal bloodbath that would soon follow in Cambodia.

 

POWS: “Healthy and Repentant”

 

In writing Aid and Comfort, and now this rebuttal to the Vietnam section of Fonda’s autobiography, we have often attempted—without success—to rank her treasonous acts from bad to worse; everything she did in Hanoi, and immediately thereafter, was reprehensible.

 

But among the worst lies she told while in North Vietnam concerned her deliberate exploitation of American prisoners of war and the aid she gave to those who tortured them by providing them a cover of denial for their crimes. 

 

It is no surprise that in her autobiography (which doesn’t contain a single index reference to “prisoner of war” or “POW”), Fonda devotes little more than one page to her widely publicized meeting with seven American POWs and her claims that they were not tortured. And, worse, that they were sorry for serving their country.

 

Here is the essence of what Fonda has written in her autobiography, tracking what she said in a Radio Hanoi broadcast:

 

·        “The POWs appear to be healthy and fit.”

 

·        “All of them have called publicly for an end to the war and signed a powerful antiwar letter . . . . “

 

·        “A few of them tell me they, too, are against the war and want Nixon to be defeated in the upcoming elections.  They express their fear that if he is reelected, the war will go on and on . . . and that bombs might land on their prison.”

 

·        “I am asked to convey their hopes that their families will vote for George McGovern.”

 

·        “I ask them if they feel they have been brainwashed or tortured, and they laugh.”

 

An American Traitor: Guilty As Charged (Continued)
By Henry Mark Holzer and Erika Holzer
FrontPageMagazine.com | June 10, 2005

Evidently she didn’t ask John McCain or any of the many many American POWS who were tortured in contravention of the Geneva codes. Or, she did ask them and fearing more torture if they told her the truth and possibly death, they lied to her. In fact, this meeting and her anti-American propaganda following it was so palpably a charade that even Fonda, after noting the presence of at least one guard, "realize[d] that the men could have been lying to protect themselves, but I certainly see no signs in any of the seven that they have been tortured, at least not recently." (Emphasis ours).

Here is what really happened that day in Hanoi, as related in Aid and Comfort [our footnotes appear in brackets]:

"At least three POWs were unwillingly made to meet with Fonda. One prisoner didn’t even know where he was being taken:              

            I was informed . . . to get ready to leave.  We were put on a bus,

            blindfolded and driven away.  Others were loaded on the bus

            at another stop and the bus left again.  We were unloaded, lined

            up and had the blindfolds removed.  We were then taken into a

            room and seated.  The next thing that occurred was the

appearance of Hanoi Jane and she began to speak. [Email in possession of authors]

 

Fonda . . . was doing a script, at one point she got lost in what she was saying, went back and used exactly the same words again for about two sentences to get back on track.  I never got a chance (nor did I want to) say anything, it was a listen and be on display thing . . . anything else would have brought on problems.  [“Problems” was a euphemism.  Lack of cooperation at this show interview would have resulted in more torture.  The source of the former POW’s quotation is an email in possession of authors] [Emphasis in original]                          

What was Fonda’s "script"—conveniently omitted in her nearly 600-page autobiography? While pointing at a chart,                         

                          . . . Jane Fonda’s theme was that we [the United States] were

                         committing genocide on the Vietnamese people.  She also

                         asserted that we were bombing the dikes which was against

                         the rules of war. [Email (from one of the POWs) in possession

                         of authors]  

Fonda was quick to lie about her meeting with the POWs, even as she continued to parrot the North Vietnamese propaganda lines being fed to her:

This is Jane Fonda speaking from Hanoi. Yesterday evening . . . I had the opportunity of meeting seven U.S. pilots. Some of them were shot down as long ago as 1968 and some of them had been shot down very recently. They are all in good health. We had a very long talk, a very open and casual talk. We exchanged ideas freely. They asked me to bring back to the American people their sense of disgust of the war and their shame for what they have been asked to do.

They told me that the pilots believe they are bombing military targets.

They told me that the pilots are told that they are bombing to free their buddies down below, but, of course, we all know that every bomb that falls on North Vietnam endangers the lives of the American prisoners.

They asked me: What can you do? They asked me to bring messages back to their loved ones and friends, telling them to please be as actively involved in the peace movement as possible, to renew their efforts to end the war.

One of the men who has been in the service for many, many years has

written a book about Vietnamese history, and I thought that this was very moving, that during the time he’s been here, and the time that he has had to reflect on what he has been through and what he has done to this country, he has—his thought has turned to this country, its history of struggle and the people that live here.

They all assured me that they have been well cared for. They—they

listen to the radio. They receive letters. They are in good health. They asked about news from home.

I think we all shared during the time I spent with them a sense of—of deep sadness that a situation like this has to exist, and I certainly felt from them a very sincere desire to explain to the American people that this was is a terrible crime and that it must be stopped, and that Richard Nixon is doing nothing except escalating it while preaching peace, endangering their lives while saying he cares about the prisoners.

And I think that one of the things that touched me the most was that one of the pilots said to me that he was reading a book called The Draft, a book written by the American Friends Service Committee [Quakers], and that in reading this book, he had understood a lot about what had happened to him as a human being in his 16 years of military service. He said that during those 16 years, he had stopped relating to civilian life, he had forgotten that there was anything else besides the military and he said in realizing what had happened to him, he was very afraid that this was happening to many other people.

I was very encouraged by my meeting with the pilots [because] I feel that the studying and the reading that they have been doing during their time here has taught them a great deal in putting the pieces of their lives back together again in a better way, hopefully, and I am sure that when—when they go home, they will go home better citizens than when they left. [Hearing Report, 7670]

Back in the United States, Fonda telephoned the wife of one of the POWs:

She [Fonda] called me after that meeting to let me know [my husband] was fine. I said I just didn’t see how he could be fine held in prison, kept from his country, his home and his family. She hung up on me. [Email in possession of authors]

Fonda’s live broadcast from Hanoi, directed at American troops (both free and captive) throughout Vietnam, was replete with blatant falsehoods.

·        The prisoners were not "all in good health" or "well cared for." By Fonda’s own admission, one of them had been in captivity since 1967, when torture was routine.

·        Nor did Fonda have "a very long talk" with the POWs. Again, by her own admission, her diatribe took "twenty minutes or so." "It was a listen and display thing," one of the POWs reported later.

·        The meeting was not "very open and casual," and she and the POWs did not "exchange ideas freely"—because, by her own admission, at least one guard was present at all times.

·        Each POW did not make antiwar statements and did not attack his Commander-in-Chief (although two may have).

Small wonder that Fonda’s autobiography conveniently skips lightly over her meeting with the seven American POWs, the better to perpetrate lies she had told three decades ago. Far from regretting her deeds of thirty years ago, she in effect repeats them in her book.

Having spent all of a week in Hanoi being chaperoned by Communist functionaries and being shown only what they wanted her to see, after having engaged in a twenty-minute charade in the company of seven American prisoners of war and at least one guard, suddenly Jane Fonda is an expert on torture! While this meeting, and Fonda’s absurd statement above, was post-1969, when admittedly much of the torture had abated, American prisoners of war were even then being maltreated, not to mention being denied virtually every protection of the Geneva Convention that Fonda was so fond of invoking on behalf of the enemy.

Chapter Three of Aid and Comfort spells out the documented maltreatment and brutal torture of our American POWs. Words like "inhumane" and "barbaric" are inadequate to describe what these men endured without surcease—some of them for five or six years. As we were writing that chapter, which details everything from disease, lack of sanitation, near-starvation and withholding of medical treatment to diabolical torture devices whose primary purpose was to extract propaganda, we had to take periodic breaks—such was our emotional turmoil.

Here is one POW’s matter-of-fact description:

The techniques varied from the use of the ropes to cuffs of a rachet type that could be tightened until they penetrated the flesh, sometimes down to the bone; aggravation of injuries . . . such as twisting a broken leg; forcing a man to sit or kneel for long periods of time without food or sleep; beatings with fanbelt-like whips and rifle butts . . . [applying] an assortment of straps,

bars, and chains to body pressure points . . . .

But Jane Fonda didn’t confine herself to skepticism about our POWs having been tortured. When the POWS were finally released and allowed to come home as part of the truce agreement that removed American troops from Vietnam, instead of celebrating their release as any normal American or decent person would, Fonda went on the attack. As we wrote in Aid and Comfort, she denounced them as "liars, hypocrites and pawns," adjectives better suited to herself:

[W]hen the last accounted-for American POW was out of Vietnam, officially April 1, 1973, stories of the brutal treatment to which they had been subjected began to surface. True to form, Fonda castigated them. Hanoi Jane called these Americans—who had suffered indescribably, and walked into freedom with their heads held high and their wounds, psychological and physical, mostly hidden from public view—"liars, hypocrites, and pawns." She was livid at the charge that these men had been tortured: "Tortured men do not march smartly off planes, salute the flag, and kiss their wives. They are liars. I also want to say that these men are not heroes." One of the first contingent of POWs said that, indeed, he had not only been tortured, but that the Vietnamese had tortured him—broken his arm—for the specific purpose of forcing him to see her during her visit to North Vietnam. Jane’s response was a shrug: "Nobody’s perfect, not even the Vietnamese." [Peter Collier, National Review, July 17, 2000. This POW’s statement has not been corroborated]. [Emphasis ours]

Fonda’s impugning of POW torture stories persisted: "At home, there were some Americans who refused to believe that POWs were tortured. Others believe that their torture was somehow justified. In 1973, shortly after the American POWs were repatriated, antiwar activist Jane Fonda, after hearing reports, of Americans tortured in the camps in North and South Vietnam, commented to Newsweek reporters: ‘There was most probably torture of POW’s [sic] guys who misbehaved and treated their guards in a racist fashion or tried to escape were tortured. Some [U.S.] pilots were beaten to death by the people they had bombed when they parachuted from their planes. But to say that torture was systematic and the policy of the North Vietnamese is a lie.’" [Robert C. Doyle, Voices From Captivity, 192, citing Newsweek, April 16, 1973, 51. See also "Jane Fonda and Tom Hayden— Candid Conversation, "Playboy (April 1974): 67].

In the face of the irrefutable evidence that Fonda callously lied about the suffering of America’s POWs, here is the spin she puts on it in her autobiography:

I made a mistake I deeply regret. I said that the POWs claiming torture were liars, hypocrites, and pawns. I said, "I’m quite sure that there were incidents of torture . . . . But the pilots who are saying it was the policy of the Vietnamese and that it was systematic, I believe that is a lie." I firmly believe that the POWs I met with had not been tortured. But what I didn’t know at the time was that prior to 1969 there had in fact been systematic torture of POWs.

Like Casablanca’s Captain Renault—a regular "winner" at the roulette table, who was "shocked, shocked" to learn that illegal gambling had been going on at Rick’s Café—Jane Fonda, well-informed antiwar activist, a vocal and dedicated part of the pipeline which channeled domestic Communists and fellow travelers in and out of North Vietnam, supposedly hadn’t the faintest notion, even as late as 1972, that her comrades in Hanoi systematically tortured—as a matter of policy—American prisoners of war. This was not a mistake. It was an act of aggression against American heroes who had been subjected to horrible tortures and against America itself.

The Photograph

Nothing is more emblematic of Jane Fonda’s trip to Hanoi—nothing has caused her to be more justly scorned—than the photographs (there are several, taken moments apart) of a blissful Fonda sitting atop a 37 mm North Vietnamese antiaircraft gun surrounded by reporters and a gun crew. In the version we used on the cover of "Aid and Comfort," Fonda is looking through the gun sight at an imaginary American plane, her face ecstatic, her hands folded almost in prayer. If there was anything about her trip to Hanoi that Fonda needed to lie about, it is this photo op.

So she does: According to her memoir, she arrived at Hanoi’s airport. Her hosts briefly went over the itinerary for her visit. "I noticed that the trip to an antiaircraft installation is still on the agenda for the last day, despite my message [a "pretrip letter"] from Los Angeles saying I was not interested in military installations. I tell them that I don’t want to keep that visit on the agenda."

Does such a letter even exist? No evidence in her autobiography is provided to support its existence. In fact, when her itinerary was published in a Congressional Hearing Report [which we reprinted in full in Aid and Comfort], there was no entry that scheduled a visit to any antiaircraft installation. A reasonable person would conclude that she made up the entire story of her "pretrip" demurral, along with so much else.

And even though she claims to have noticed the itinerary item practically from the moment her feet touched the ground, Fonda acquiesced in the AAA visit because, as she writes, "Altering the plans [not scheduled for another two weeks!] appears to cause consternation. Decisions have been made. I am too tired to protest." Still, she decides, "I am going." Lots of Americans, she writes, are taken to military installations; lots of them have to wear helmets. And since such Americans were anti-Americans who believed their country was the "imperialist aggressor" in Vietnam, lots of them had beatific expressions on their face when they sat in gun turrets designed to kill their own countrymen.

As she arrives at an antiaircraft gun installation on the outskirts of Hanoi and sees a weapon used to shoot down American aircraft, Fonda purports to be surprised at "a horde of photographers and journalists." (Sure, a Hollywood star is surprised to see cameras at a showpiece event that has been set up for her!) The Communist soldiers sing. Fonda’s translator translates: "All men are created equal. They are given certain rights; among these are life, liberty and happiness." (We are not making this up.) Fonda is so moved by this musical version of our Declaration of Independence that "I begin to cry and clap. These young men should not be our enemy. They celebrate the same words Americans do." [Emphasis is Fonda’s]

One good performance deserves another. The AAA gunners ask Fonda to reciprocate with a song of her own. Somehow Fonda has managed to anticipate this request before leaving the United States. She has memorized in Vietnamese a song written by South Vietnamese and antiwar activists -- i.e., supporters of the Communist propaganda offensive. "Everyone laughs and claps, including me," she writes.

The performance is over. "Someone, I don’t remember who, leads me toward the gun, and I sit down, still applauding. It all has nothing to do with where I am sitting. I hardly even think about where I am sitting." Give us a break.

These three sentences are the only explanation in some 600 pages of Fonda’s autobiography of why she provided the North Vietnamese Communists with a propaganda picture worth, not the proverbial thousand words, but rather thousands of American and Vietnamese lives.

As Fonda walks away, we are asked to believe that the implications of her conduct suddenly dawned on her. She writes, "Oh my God. It’s going to look like I was trying to shoot down America planes." [Emphasis Fonda’s] Not really, Jane. It looks just like you thought that shooting down American planes was a fantastic idea, which is evident from everything else you did and said in Vietnam and in respect to the war before and after.

She claims, preposterously, in her autobiography that she pleaded with her translator to make sure her hosts saw to it that the potentially embarrassing photographs were not published. If this is true, how come she didn’t protest the pictures when they were published? How come it took her twenty years to "apologize" for embarrassing herself (which was the extent of her apology)? This self-serving assertion is of course belied by the fact that she went to the gun emplacement installation in the first place and allowed herself to be photographed – for what purpose? Home entertainment?

Thirty-three years later comes this grudging (and embarrassing and not credible) admission: "It is possible that the Vietnamese had it all planned." [Emphasis ours] But, she continues, "can I really blame them?" And besides, Fonda adds as an afterthought: "the gun was inactive, there were no planes overhead." In what reality is this woman living?

Regrets

In recent months, while promoting her autobiography across the United States, Fonda has purported to apologize for some of her conduct in North Vietnam. But her words have always been equivocal and ambiguous—a technique she established many years ago and honed to a fine art ever since.

As we wrote in Aid and Comfort, What makes Fonda’s regret ring so hollow and self-serving are her revealing words in a 1989 interview, in which she stated categorically: "I did not, have not, and will not say that going to North Vietnam was a mistake . . . . I have apologized only for some of the things that I did there, but I am proud that I went." Proud that she went to give aid and comfort to a ruthless totalitarian enemy that launched an aggressive war that killed more than 2 million people and saddled South Vietnam with a Communist police state that has lasted for more than thirty years.

Jane Fonda is 68 years old. When she started writing her autobiography, she had an opportunity to take genuine stock of her life and set the record straight once and for all. Here was a chance to prove that she really was sorry for what she had done. That she understood the meaning of the words "apology" and "making amends" and how her actions really did have serious consequences. That regrets, if sincere, require action, not just lip service.

Not only did Fonda lack the integrity and strength of character to seize the opportunity, but she was contemptuous at the mere suggestion that she had much to apologize for. How can one take seriously anything this woman says about an apology when, on page one of the North Vietnam section of her autobiography, she writes: "My only regret about the trip was that I was photographed sitting on a North Vietnamese antiaircraft gun sight"?

Conclusion

Aid and Comfort": Jane Fonda In North Vietnam was a time-consuming book to write. It required thoroughly researched facts, complex legal and constitutional analysis, hundreds of supporting and elaborating footnotes, and an appendix setting forth every one of Fonda’s broadcasts. We have often been asked why, given other writing projects and more pressing interests, we chose to do it.

Our answer is threefold.

First, Fonda was the most prominent American citizen to give the North Vietnamese invaluable antiwar, anti-United States, pro-Communist propaganda, which cost many American lives. She is a symbol of the willingness of members of the American left to oppose their country in war and give aid and comfort to the enemy camp – even when that enemy is a ruthless totalitarian aggressor. Because she got away with it, it was all the more important that we set the historical record straight by proving that she was indictable and convictable for treason.

Second, we felt strongly that a moral reckoning for Fonda’s conduct in Hanoi was long overdue, one that we hope will follow her to her grave—as it should.

Third, we believed then—we continue to believe—that what we think of as "Fonda-ism" must be fought whenever it appears. Webster’s New World Dictionary of the American Language defines "ism" as "a doctrine, theory, system, etc." By "Fonda-ism," we mean the belief that American citizens can with impunity interfere with their country’s foreign policy by making common cause with enemies bent on its destruction.

By herself, Jane Fonda is unimportant—confused, defensive, narcissistic, empty—a woman who admits in her autobiography that "Maybe I simply become whatever the man I am with wants me to be: ‘sex kitten’ [Roger Vadim], ‘controversial activist’ [Tom Hayden], ‘ladylike wife on the arm of corporate mogul’ [Ted Turner]."

But Fonda-ism is important because Americans who give aid and comfort to our enemies – Communists then, jihadists now -- put at risk, not only our cherished institutions, but—in today’s world—our very existence.

Henry Mark Holzer (www.henrymarkholzer.com) is Professor Emeritus at Brooklyn Law School. Erika Holzer (www.erikaholzer.com) is a lawyer turned novelist.




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1 posted on 06/10/2005 5:48:01 AM PDT by SJackson

To: SJackson
Excellent article - bttt for further reading.

Carolyn

2 posted on 06/10/2005 5:50:21 AM PDT by CDHart (The world has become a lunatic asylum and the lunatics are in charge.)

To: SJackson

A long read – and sickening, particularly her version of the American POWs held by the North. Hanoi Jane and her famous cohort Hanoi John are two of the reasons I favor an actual Declaration of War, and not just congressional approval of the funding. It makes it far easier - even mandatory – to bring charges against those who commit treason and/or sedition.


3 posted on 06/10/2005 5:59:26 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)

To: SJackson

Even with the help of her handlers and the stinking liberal Old Media, she has not fooled most people. Some people cover for her by suggesting she was a stupid kid when she pulled these treasonous acts, but in fact she was well into her 30s.


4 posted on 06/10/2005 6:18:01 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Conservatism: doing what is right instead of what is easy)

To: SJackson

Hanoi Jane is unfit to breathe the same air as Americans. She should be banned from the country. Those who support her by buying her book or her excercise videos should be ashamed.


5 posted on 06/10/2005 6:25:44 AM PDT by sgtbono2002

To: Neoliberalnot

I hope I live long enough to locate and urinate on her headstone.


6 posted on 06/10/2005 6:26:44 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks

To: SJackson
"...her nearly 600 page book—which spans about seventy years of her life..."

LOL!

7 posted on 06/10/2005 6:30:16 AM PDT by Redbob

To: Eric in the Ozarks

She commits treason and what is her punishment?? One guy spits in her face and the media labels the veteran the bad guy. Go figure.


8 posted on 06/10/2005 6:49:04 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Conservatism: doing what is right instead of what is easy)

To: SJackson; Calpernia; Velveeta; SandRat; DAVEY CROCKETT; WestCoastGal; Tuba Guy; ...

Well done report.


9 posted on 06/10/2005 8:20:51 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (My prayer of thanks is for all the Freepers who make my days so interesting,educational and loving.)

To: BIGLOOK; ALOHA RONNIE; An Old Marine; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; nw_arizona_granny

ping


10 posted on 06/10/2005 8:28:53 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)

To: SJackson

>>>>The man she was intent upon pleasing then – who actually sent her to North Vietnam -- was antiwar activist, pro-Vietnamese Communist and self-styled anti-American “revolutionary” Tom Hayden. Hayden had previously traveled to Bratislava, Czechoslovakia with an SDS delegation to meet with the Vietnamese Communists and counsel them on how to conduct psychological warfare against the United States.


SDS/Weatherman

Weatherman or Weather Underground Organization, is a "revolutionary organization of communist men and women" formed by members of the Students for a Democratic Society or SDS. They were originally called the Revolutionary Youth Movement. They advocated the overthrow of our government and capitalism. They carried out a campaign of bombings, jailbreaks, and riots in 1969-1976.

The group derived their name from Bob Dylan's song lyrics from "Subterranean Homesick Blues", which were, "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows", I use to see that quote at the bottom of their periodical, New Left Notes, when I use to work at a periodical distribution company.

Their first event, in 1969, was the "Days of Rage" in Chicago. They blew up a statue dedicated to police casualties in the 1886 Haymarket Riot. They announced at a convention that they supported Charles Manson. The rally failed to draw as many participants (300) as they had hoped. They did lead a riot through Chicago's business district, smashing windows and cars. 6 were shot and 70 arrested. The conflict went on for a few days.

1970, after the shooting by police of Black Panther Fred Hampton, the group issued a Declaration of War against the United States government, changing its name to the "weather underground organization", adopting fake IDs, and pursuing covert activities only. These initially included plans for a bombing of a US military noncommissioned officers' dance at Fort Dix. But when three Underground members died in an accidental explosion while preparing the bomb in a Greenwich Village, New York City safe house, other cells re-evaluated their plans and decided to pursue only non-lethal projects.

This group released a number of manifestos and declarations, while conducting a series of bombings. These attacked the U.S. Capitol, The Pentagon, police and prison buildings, and the rebuilt Haymarket statue again, among other targets. The group took measures to avoid any loss of life as a result of these bombings, issuing warnings to evacuate the building ahead of time via phone. They also took a $25,000 payment from a drugs group called The Brotherhood of Eternal Love to break LSD advocate Timothy Leary out of prison, transporting him to Algeria. They remained largely successful at avoiding the police and the FBI.

In the mid-to-late 1970s, the group began dissolving, as many members turned themselves in to the police, and others moved onto other armed revolutionary groups. Very few served prison sentences, since the evidence gathered against them, by the FBI's COINTELPRO program, was inadmissable in court, due to the illegal methods used to obtain it.

Famous members of the Weather Underground include Kathy Boudin, Mark Rudd, Terry Robbins, David Gilbert, and the still-married couple Bernardine Dohrn and Bill Ayers.

Many former Weathermen have re-integrated into society, without necessarily repudiating their original intent. Bill Ayers, now a Distinguished Professor of Education at the University of Illinois, said in a September 11, 2001 New York Times profile "I don't regret setting bombs. I believe we didn't do enough."


11 posted on 06/10/2005 8:37:33 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)

To: Neoliberalnot
One guy spits in her face and the media labels the veteran the bad guy.

Not out of character. The media spit in our faces daily.

12 posted on 06/10/2005 8:46:08 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)

To: Mind-numbed Robot

And I would ask how many liberals spit on our soldiers returning from Vietnam? I can tell you it was not uncommon for I remember all too well. I expect it to happen again if the liberals have their way and the war on terrorism doesn't end tomorrow.


13 posted on 06/10/2005 8:56:05 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Conservatism: doing what is right instead of what is easy)

To: SJackson

BTTT


14 posted on 06/10/2005 9:14:27 AM PDT by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but recently have come to my senses.)

To: All
Too bad that because Nixon failed to uphold the law,
we are still stuck with Hanoi Jane and Hanoi Kerry.


If Nixon hadn't caved into the minority anti-war crowd
and listened to the Silent Majority
Hanoi Jane AND Hanoi Kerry
would have been prosecuted for their treason in the 70's,
while Nixon was still President.

Keep in mind that Nixon was directly involved in Viet Nam,
as Vice President, going back to at least 1955.

So Hanoi Jane AND Hanoi Kerry keep a high profile,
and always watch your yellow backs.
Nixon is NOT HERE to protect you.
You are on your own.

26 Sep 1945 - The first death of an American serviceman in Vietnam occurred.
OSS (Office of Special Operations) Major (Lieutenant Colonel) A. Peter Dewey
was killed in action by the Communist Vietminh near Hanoi.

May 1950 President Harry S Truman authorised $10 million in aid to the French for their war in Viet Nam.
By January 1951, $150 million had been given in aid.

1953-61 Dwight D. Eisenhower 34th US President
1953-61 Richard M. Nixon Vice President
1953 - The US is supporting the French in the amount of $1 billion per year--
33% of all US foreign aid--which is 80% of the total cost to the
. US Secretary of State, John Foster Dulles (under Eisenhower) first voices the 'Domino Theory':
if one country in Southeast Asia falls to the Communists, they will all fall, one by one.

12 Feb 55 - President Eisenhower's administration sends 1st 350 U.S. advisers to South Vietnam
to train the South Vietnamese Army

8 Jun 56 - The first American of record to die in Vietnam
was Air Force Tech Sergeant Richard B. Fitzgibbon Jr.
His son, Richard B. Fitzgibbon III, died in Vietnam Sep 7, 1965.
8 Jun 56 Has been formally recognized by the Pentagon as the first American officially to die in that war.

5 Sep 56 - President Eisenhower tells a news conference that the French are
"involved in a hopelessly losing war in Indochina" 1956 The US believed in that Ho Chi Minh would have won any election held in Viet Nam and used their influence over the government of the State of Viet Nam to ensure that the election was not held




From a Must Visit Site
Vipers Vietnam Veterans Page, A Vietnam Veteran & Proud Web Site
About Vietnam

The Vietnam war was the longest in our nation's history.
1st American advisor was killed on June 08, 1956,

and the last casualties in connection with the war occurred on May 15, 1975, during the Mayaquez incident. Approximately 2.7 million Americans served in the war zone; 300,000 were wounded and approximately 75,000 permanently disabled. Officially there are still 1,991 Americans unaccounted for from SE Asia.

Vietnam was a savage, in your face war where death could and did strike from anywhere with absolutely no warning. The brave young men and women who fought that war paid an awful price of blood, pain and suffering. As it is said: "ALL GAVE SOME ... SOME GAVE ALL"
The Vietnam war was not lost on the battlefield. No American force in ANY other conflict fought with more determination or sheer courage than the Vietnam Veteran.  For the first time in our history America sent it's young men and women into a war run by inept politicians who had no grasp of military strategies and no moral will to win. They were led by "top brass" who were concerned mainly with furthering their own careers, most neither understood the nature of the war nor had a clue about the impossible mission with which they'd tasked their soldiers.  And the war was reported by a self serving Media who penned stories filled with inaccuracies, deliberate omissions, biased presentations and blatant distorted interpretations because they were more interested in a story than the truth! It can be debated that we should never have fought that war. It can also be argued that the young Americans who fought so courageously, never losing a single major battle, helped in a huge way to WIN THE COLD WAR.






15 posted on 06/10/2005 9:15:05 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Proud to be a Viet Nam Vet AND a Lifelong Independent Voter!)

To: JesseJane; Alamo-Girl; Cindy; piasa; backhoe; windchime; Liz; Coleus; Mamzelle; ...

Did you see this thread yet?


16 posted on 06/10/2005 12:23:49 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)

To: SJackson

I would love to be the one to spit a mouthful of tobacco juice on Hanoi John Kerry.


17 posted on 06/10/2005 12:27:37 PM PDT by JarheadFromFlorida

To: SJackson

This should be included in history books - so that future generations of American patriots can despise Jane Fonda as much as me.


18 posted on 06/10/2005 12:46:42 PM PDT by sandydipper (Less government is best government!)

To: SJackson
Why did Jane Fonda travel to Hanoi during her country’s war with North Vietnam? While no one can know for certain...

I agree with the author's psychological analysis of Jane Fonda, but I think it can be stated more simply. I think that she, like a large and growing faction of the antiwar movement at the time, believed in communism and hated capitalism. She almost certainly thought Mao was the good guy, and dreamed of a revolution in the United States. She wanted the US to lose the war to the communists, plain and simple.

I'm ashamed to say that at age seventeen and eighteen I foolishly participated in many of the same demonstrations and marches as Jane Fonda, and saw her speaking and walking in the crowds. I remember John Kerry as well.

I was there, and I can tell you that the rhetoric, the leaflets, and the talk was mostly about a communist victory in Vietnam and a communist revolution at home.

19 posted on 06/10/2005 12:48:25 PM PDT by SupplySider

To: SupplySider

>>>>and growing faction of the antiwar movement at the time, believed in communism and hated capitalism.

At that time? They are still alive and well. This crowd has served as president, senators, lawyer for Saddam Hussein, Sheik Rahman's lawyer, and now they are trying to impeach our President. They have even called in a press release for detention of our officials if they leave our borders.


20 posted on 06/10/2005 1:16:08 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)

To: Calpernia

Thanks for the ping!


21 posted on 06/10/2005 1:26:52 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl

To: Calpernia

Hanoi Jane

where the soccer moms of America rewarded her and made her very rich by buying her exercise tapes.


22 posted on 06/10/2005 1:41:11 PM PDT by Coleus (God doesn't like moderates, Rev 3:15-16)

To: Calpernia
They are still alive and well. This crowd has served as president, senators, lawyer for Saddam Hussein, Sheik Rahman's lawyer, and now they are trying to impeach our President.

I'm sorry to say I don't personally know anyone today from that movement who has admitted he was wrong, ala David Horowitz. No doubt there are other Freepers in this category, but all of the aging boomers of my acquaintance cling to the delusion that their moral superiority and idealism saved the world from the evil war of Nixon.

23 posted on 06/10/2005 1:46:51 PM PDT by SupplySider

To: onedoug

ping


24 posted on 06/10/2005 1:48:25 PM PDT by stylecouncilor

To: Coleus
But, but, I'm a soccer mom
25 posted on 06/10/2005 1:49:04 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)

To: SupplySider

I have no idea what you were responding to. I was correcting your use of the past tense in the sentence I pasted from your comment.


26 posted on 06/10/2005 1:50:39 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)

To: Calpernia

I was just agreeing with you and giving some personal experiences to back it up.


27 posted on 06/10/2005 2:13:12 PM PDT by SupplySider

To: SupplySider

You were, kind of. Your comment, even in agreement, is worded to sound as if the movement ended with Vietnam. It didn't. It is still active.


28 posted on 06/10/2005 2:16:19 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)

To: Calpernia

Got it! ~thanks again for the pingaling~ marking now..





~mccainfilemark~


29 posted on 06/10/2005 2:44:47 PM PDT by JesseJane (2008 is TOO Late.. Toss the RINOS in 2006.. remember the Ratpack 7.)

To: JesseJane

LOL!

We will win yet :)

::curtsey back::


30 posted on 06/10/2005 2:47:22 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)

To: Calpernia
Agreed.

Today they are mostly subtler about it, though. You won't see Fonda or Kerry chanting "two, four, six, eight, organize and smash the state!". They have complicated "third way" rationalizations and socialist double speak now to make themselves more acceptable. Who knows, though, they might even still believe in "the revolution". Neither is very bright.

It is shocking that self-styled communist revolutionaries are quite welcome in the current Democratic party.

31 posted on 06/10/2005 2:47:56 PM PDT by SupplySider

To: Calpernia

:) !!


32 posted on 06/10/2005 2:49:15 PM PDT by JesseJane (2008 is TOO Late.. Toss the RINOS in 2006.. remember the Ratpack 7.)

To: SupplySider
>>> Today they are mostly subtler about it, though.

Subtler? Have you not seen any anti Iraqi war rallies?? Did you miss the coffin march to the WTC??
Iraq Veterans Against the War ::founded by former VVAW participants::

>>>>They have complicated "third way" rationalizations and socialist double speak now to make themselves more acceptable.

Thanks to the National Lawyer's Guild and the ACLU.

>>> It is shocking that self-styled communist revolutionaries are quite welcome in the current Democratic party.

Yes, they are the Democrats are the Progressive Caucus ::notice the URL!::

33 posted on 06/10/2005 3:06:05 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)

To: SJackson

I had an idea about how to respond to Jane's bus tour. We announce that activists (mainly, freepers) are prepared to ARREST HER FOR TREASON under the Citizen Arrest provisions available in our constitution.

I've heard that there's no statute of limitations on treason. We hand her over to the local authorities, and she becomes one charged with treason against the United States. I can't tell if this idea has already been floated -- I did searches for Jane Fonda, Treason, Citizen Arrest and found no references on Free Republic. I will post this on 2 or 3 Hanoi Jane threads.


34 posted on 07/30/2005 7:28:26 AM PDT by Kevin OMalley (No, not Freeper#95235, Freeper #1165: Charter member, What Was My Login Club.)

To: Kevin OMalley

I will go for that
and Congress needs to bring Back The HUAC,and the Treason and Sedition act


35 posted on 07/30/2005 7:35:27 AM PDT by Charlespg (Civilization and freedom are only worthy of those who defend or support defending It)

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