Skip to comments.Questions Remain About Kerry's Military Records
Posted on 06/11/2005 10:49:54 AM PDT by ambrose
Questions Remain About Kerry's Military Records
But will the press answer them? The Boston Globe and Los Angeles Times published in-depth accounts this week but, according to Lipscomb, the form that produced the documents may have asked for "anything and everything" or "nothing much at all."
By Thomas Lipscomb
(June 11, 2005) -- The Boston Globe and The Los Angeles Times initially refused to confirm or deny that they had a copy, or had even seen a copy, of the Standard Form 180 (SF-180) by which Sen. John Kerrys complete military records were released over the past several days. This threw serious doubt on whether either newspaper took sufficient reasonable care in evaluating the chain of transmission by which they received the Kerry documents.
In response to my story in the Chicago Sun-Times on Thursday, the Managing Editor of the Boston Globe, Mary Jane Wilkinson, has now told Sun-Times editors that the Globe does indeed have a copy of Kerrys Standard Form 180 used in delivering the documents to the Globe. That is reassuring, but it remains to be seen whether the Globe will release copies of the SF-180 in their possession, and that is important.
According to Mark Sullivan, a former Navy JAG officer who worked directly for the Secretary of the Navy, the SF-180 can release anything and everything and nothing much at all, depending on how it is executed. So it is incumbent upon anyone relying on statements, much less making them, concerning the production of documents to examine its wording carefully. One must evaluate it the same way an attorney would examine a request for discovery document in a legal case to see if it is artfully worded in a way not easily apparent to a non-specialist that excludes vital material.
Even when a source is doing their best to cooperate, the maze of the giant government bureaucracy can release some documents and not others for a variety of reasons. Kerry could have been doing his best to release all his documents on the SF-180 and still have things stuck in some subsection of the National Archives.
The Associated Press last summer, after chasing documents on President Bush for four years, finally had to sue for injunctive relief to get the U.S. government to release the last documents. The head of the AP, Tom Curley, told me, This wasnt the fault of the White House. They were doing everything they could to help us. But without a court order we couldnt get the last documents.
Journalists are seldom specialists. That is why they consult experts to help them make this kind of evaluation. It is now reasonable to assume that both papers used experts to examine the transmission SF-180 before they gave Kerry the very thing he was looking for: the imprimatur of two great newspapers that he had provided access to his complete records (L.A. Times) and that he authorized the release of his complete medical and military records (Boston Globe).
But there is still no evidence to support that confirmation, other than their assertion. There may be if, as I hope, these newspapers, or John Kerry himself, decide to reconsider and allow his SF-180 to be examined and the form is indeed filled out properly. In that case their stories are perfectly in order and deserve congratulations and I will be the first to say so.
The day before Globe reporter Michael Kranish released his story on the documents he called Kerrys nemesis during the presidential campaign, John ONeill, head of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. He told me he cautioned Kranish about the difficulties of an SF-180 release.
He stated that he sent Kranish directly a copy of his own he had filled out in response to Kerrys challenge to him to do so on the Meet the Press show on January 30 on which Kerry promised to sign his. ONeills SF-180, signed January 31st. was released to the media and has been available online since March 1st.
Now that the Boston Globe has in its possession what it claims are Kerrys full military and medical records is the Globe ready to make these much-anticipated records available to the public? Managing Editor Mary Jane Wilkinson replied, It is my understanding that Kerry will release these papers to anyone else now that he has signed the Form 180. The Boston Globe is not going to make available the papers we have received.
But the onus is on the Globe to explain why they are not releasing the records. They at least ought to give the public some reason, according to former journalism dean and Fordham University Larkin professor Everette Dennis.
With the opportunity to release the Kerry material on the internet inexpensively, there certainly is no physical problem preventing the Globe from publishing them, Bill Gaines, a two-time Pulitzer Prize winner and Knight Professor of Journalism at the University of Illinois, told me. The decision they have made certainly doesnt seem to be in the interest of their readers and not very good journalism.
Both the Boston Globe and Los Angeles Times claim that Kerry will release any papers in their possession to anyone else who applies. But that isnt what The New York Suns Josh Gerstein found when he called Kerrys able press representative, David Wade. Gerstein reports: Asked whether the senator would permit release of the records to The New York Sun, Mr. Wade said, The issue is over."
But it isnt. And it wont be until the public has access to the SF-180 which procured release of the papers. Freedom of Information Act requests for it are now under way. Those requests will most likely be successful, perhaps as early as next week. And there is nothing barring its release before those requests are processed but John Kerry, and The Los Angeles Times and The Boston Globe.
Michael Kranish, the Globe reporter who wrote the front page story about receiving Kerrys complete medical and military records, was not happy at being pursued by my questions about how he had made that determination. Kranish finally sent me the following: The story speaks for itself. Other media have been given access to the same records, and the Kerry office has said it is accepting requests. Your request should go to them. That is our statement. It sounds more like a response from a lawyer than a reporter.
And The Boston Globe made several calls to editors at the Chicago Sun-Times, complaining that I was giving them the kind of unpleasant treatment reporters give sources who stonewall on questions about matters they think are of vital public interest. They were right. I was. And those questions got the Globe to admit they had the SF-180 two days later.
Perhaps now they will release it and even Kerrys worst critics will find it in order and finally be silenced. In that case, David Wade may be right: The issue is over.
Thomas Lipscomb (firstname.lastname@example.org) is a senior fellow at the Annenberg Center for the Digital Future at the University of Southern California. He writes regularly for the Chicago Sun-Times
MSM has credibility problems. They know skerry was substandard yet they tried to give him the presidency. However, one of the few times that the general public got smart and opened their minds to what MSM was doing.
What is a "jourmalist"? It is a reporter who thinks they are part of a ruling class.
Surely they aren't covering directly for Kerry. If they are, that's it, that's the deathblow for the MSM.
My bet is there's nothing else of interest in those records.
A thousand apologies, it's spelled "Lipscomb".
Anyone have a link? Haven't been able to Google it.
...somoeone who interprets the who, what, when, where and how of yesterday's reporters. This according a panel of several "journalists" that I saw on C-Span recently. They were young, but already considered themselves as part of the elite.
I sincerely doubt if the trurh about kerry's military records will ever come out completely.
Lot's of discussion on the Glob's story here...
An UNDELETED Report of Separation is requested for the year(s) This normally will be a copy of the full separation document including such sensitive items as the character of separation, authority for separation, reason for separation, reenlistment eligibility code, separation (SPD/SPN) code, and dates of time lost. An undeleted version is ordinarily required to determine eligibility for benefits.
Kerry needs to sign SF180, requesting an undeleted report of separation with a signed release for the full and complete military record(Medical,Training, etc.)
IMHO, he will not.
The "issue" is NOT over.
A little bit here... a little bit there... released by two, incredibally-compromised, pro-Kerry news sources. They don't even have all the information!
The guys a living-lie... a two-bit, bullsh_t artist.
'The Boston Globe made several calls to editors at the Chicago Sun-Times, complaining that I was giving them the kind of unpleasant treatment reporters give sources who stonewall on questions about matters they think are of vital public interest. They were right. I was.'
There is no need to impeach Hanoi Kerry from the US Senate
He is there illegally!
For those who "forgot" what Hanoi Kerry
did in the past read on and learn the truth.
Hanoi Kerry was still a USNR officer while he:
gave false hearsay testimony to Congress
negotiated with the enemy
helped the US lose a war
abetted in the deaths of millions
created a hostile environment for all servicemen
Why is Kerry still in the US Senate?
This is in violation of
U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3
And the FBI has proof of his treason.
Hanoi Kerry Timeline of a traitor
includes FBI files
Kerry and Julia traveled to Paris, France and met with Madame Nguyen Thi Binh, the Foreign Minister of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG), the political wing of the Vietcong, and other Viet Cong and Communist Vietnamese representatives to the Paris peace talks, a trip he now calls a "fact-finding" mission.
(U.S. code 18 U.S.C. 953, declares it illegal for a U.S. citizen to go abroad and negotiate with a foreign power.)
a) A person charged with absence without leave or missing movement in time of war,
or with any offense punishable by death,
may be tried at any time without limitation.
Distribute these url's!
Links to Anti Kerry sites
Viper's Vietnam Veterans Page
EXPOSE HANOI KERRY!
MUST SEE WEBSITE!!!!
Full details on these url's!
There is a backup site
if the 1st url is unavailable.
Did you see this...?
(The 'Kerry's Promise Counter')
Polipundit even tells you how to install it on your own page!
Swift Boat Veteran For Truth John O'Neill Comments on Kerry's 180 'Release'
John Kerry was dishonorably dismissed from the Navy:
(statement from lawyers there at the time)
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