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Fallacies About the Schiavo Case
The New American ^ | 04.18.05 | Thomas R. Eddlem

Posted on 06/11/2005 5:33:10 PM PDT by Coleus

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To: Coleus
I'll never get over that our country allowed a disabled innocent woman to be murdered by dehydration.

I will never see this country the same again.

21 posted on 06/11/2005 8:05:30 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Lesforlife
From one who hasn't moved on.

From one who will never forget.

22 posted on 06/11/2005 8:06:58 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown

Terri Schiavo "unacceptable"

23 posted on 06/11/2005 8:15:17 PM PDT by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants_"Where there is life, there is hope"..Terri Schindler)
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To: Coleus
The major media treat as a given that Terri Schiavo was in a persistent vegetative state (PVS). Though a PVS diagnosis does not change the morality of not providing food and water

PVS is not actually a medical condition.  It is a diagnosis whose sole purpose is to allow nutrition and hydration to be withheld.  By creating this fictitious condition, medical facilities are free to kill patients who are using resources they would prefer to have available to others.  The "diagnosis" avoids legal liability for their actions.
24 posted on 06/11/2005 8:27:28 PM PDT by etlib (No creature without tentacles has ever developed true intelligence)
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To: etlib
You are a very smart person.

I want your address your genealogy and your signature.( To resale for later monetary gain).

I'm not kidding.

25 posted on 06/11/2005 8:34:02 PM PDT by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants_"Where there is life, there is hope"..Terri Schindler)
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To: Coleus

bttt


26 posted on 06/11/2005 8:55:33 PM PDT by clyde asbury (Cuyahoga)
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To: Coleus
Was the autopsy ever released? There was lots of talk about it when this whole issue was hot, but a search of FR returns no hits except those talking about an autopsy that was to be performed. Nothing about results. I find that to be curious.
27 posted on 06/11/2005 9:04:38 PM PDT by zeugma (Democrats are Varelse...)
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To: Future Useless Eater

In the event you have not seen this posted.


28 posted on 06/11/2005 9:08:20 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Coleus

bookmark


29 posted on 06/11/2005 11:42:41 PM PDT by chaosagent (It's all right to be crazy. Just don't let it drive you nuts.)
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later pingout.


30 posted on 06/12/2005 12:09:44 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: Coleus
Humor me ...

• Liberals claim that the decision of a husband to kill his wife by denying her food and water is a “private matter.” Since when has a husband killing a wife been considered a private matter under our laws? [A husband who was living in an adulterous affair yet was granted by a judge the right to have his first wife (Jodi is his second) put down, to free him up for his already under way 'second life' ... a greater miscarraige of the judicial system I cannot easily name.]

• Terri’s husband Michael claims that Terri would have wanted her feeding tube removed rather than live in the state she was in. But Terri did not put this wish in writing, and others who knew her say that she would not have wished to be killed. Moreover, Michael did not bring to light Terri’s supposed wishes until seven years after her injury.[What MS claimed Terri said regarding life support was at least a decade before feeding tubes were redefined as life support, thus to apply some comment made before the change to her life after the change is eggregious wrong and smacks of 'grandfathering euthanasia'.]

• Advocates of the culture of death claim that they were allowing Terri to “die with dignity” by removing her feeding tube. Implicit in that statement is the notion that a slow death by starvation and dehydration is dignified and that Terri Schiavo retained the mental capacity to understand and agree with this. Yet the very liberals advocating this point of view also claim that Terri was in a persistent vegetative state and that she had no self-awareness.[The evil of dehumanizing often requires the one promoting it to claim contradictory assertions ... it's called deceit most foul under other circumstances.]

• Pro-death forces also claim that Terri Schiavo was on life support and was being kept alive through extraordinary means. But a feeding tube is not life support in the traditional sense. [And when Terri was supposed to have made her comments regarding life support, a respirator not a feeding tube was the standard of 'extraordinary life supporting measures'.] Also, foregoing extraordinary means to keep a dying patient living longer sounds rational, but providing food and water is not an extraordinary means, and Terri was not dying. In fact, Terri’s death resulted from the deliberate denial of food and water; it was not a natural consequence of her medical condition. [And that fact of her ordered killing by a probate court judge is why I called her death an execution ... the judge ordered that no one was to try and feed her by mouth or even give her moisture by mouth upon her tongue. THAT is malice aforethought, an ordered execution by a judge not empowered to issue execution orders.]

• The major media treat as a given that Terri Schiavo was in a persistent vegetative state (PVS). Though a PVS diagnosis does not change the morality of not providing food and water, it is still worth pointing out that some medical authorities disagreed with this diagnosis. In the April 4 issue of THE NEW AMERICAN, we quoted Dr. Richard Neubauer, medical director of the Ocean Hyperbaric Neurologic Center in Ft. Lauderdale, as stating in an affidavit that Terri was neither “brain dead” nor in a “persistent vegetative state.”

• Leftist politicians and media outlets criticized the Republican Congress and the president for enacting a law aimed at saving Terri’s life [And the democrat party has signaled their intention to pound the issue for political gain, using the same deceit and outright lies formulated and promoted by their media whoredom ... and no doubt there will be joyous FR members joining in the pounding, regardless of truth or unseemly assuasion.] and accused the Republicans of “practicing medicine without a license.” Since when has food and water been considered medicine? Aside from that, the same leftist politicians want the government to run the entire health care system. (If they succeed in accomplishing that objective, it would not be surprising to find the government rationing care and determining who lives and who dies.)

I am indeed surprised that at least Hildy has not yet jumped on this thread to argue the financial perils of 'keeping the useless eaters alive.'

31 posted on 06/12/2005 12:09:50 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Coleus; All
Crosslinked:

-Useless Eaters vs The Death Cult--

32 posted on 06/12/2005 3:20:38 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: MVV
Mark Fuhrman has a new book due out on June 28th....called Silent Witness.
Things we didn't know about the Terri case. Whenever I think about Terri and how she suffered..........it really makes me ill.
33 posted on 06/12/2005 4:46:34 AM PDT by mickie
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To: Earthdweller; Coleus

The New American ran an article by Professor Rice
years ago predicting events such as Terri's judicial
murder. This was after the Brophy case. I don't own
that issue, and it will be a day or so before I can
post quotes.


34 posted on 06/12/2005 10:04:46 AM PDT by cycjec
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To: STARWISE; FL_engineer; Thinkin' Gal
The Times quoted Dr. Sean Morrison of the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York as saying:

“They generally slip into a peaceful coma. It’s very quiet, it’s very dignified, it’s very gentle.”

Uh huh, and

"When you say bed, they make that sexual. It's not sexual. We're going to sleep. I tuck them in and put a little like, er, music on and when it's story time I read a book and we go to sleep with the fireplace on. I give them hot milk, you know. We have cookies. It's very charming. It's very sweet. It's what the whole world should do. "

35 posted on 06/12/2005 5:12:04 PM PDT by cyn (it's sarcasm, but jim king really said it.)
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To: MHGinTN
Vintage Hildy can be found here on this thread. She just loves abortion.

How Abortion Hurts Women -- The Hard Proof

36 posted on 06/12/2005 5:55:32 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isiah 5:20-21)
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To: Coleus; Hildy

I think you forgot to ping Hildy, since you mentioned her.


37 posted on 06/12/2005 5:57:26 PM PDT by .38sw
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To: .38sw

I didn't forget.


38 posted on 06/12/2005 5:58:57 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isiah 5:20-21)
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To: Coleus

Don't you realize that when you make statement like someone LOVES abortion, it belittles your argument? I guess not.


39 posted on 06/12/2005 6:27:43 PM PDT by Hildy ( The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue)
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To: Hildy; .38sw

it belittles your argument? >>

how so? You seem very content with it.


40 posted on 06/12/2005 7:45:24 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isiah 5:20-21)
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