Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2

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FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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FR Quick Ping List (copy & paste) - active posters to the thread
(there is no real ping list - I really do not have one and I do not plan to make one)
Andy'smom;bonfire;brigette;kcvl;maggiefluffs;No Surrender No Retreat;Palladin;Rippersnapper;sarasota;TexKat;theophilusscribe

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

 

[texasbluebell]

there was a story awhile back that says Joran drove the nicest car on the island

And yet at 17 he was legally too young to drive there. Well, why would that stop him. He was too young for the clubs too, but seemed to have no trouble getting in them. Not to mention underage for drinking.

[maggief]

IIRC, the photo had part of the word TATTOO in the background behind the guy in the white shirt and two DJ's in t-shirts.

Perhaps Steve also operated the water taxi, just a thought.

later...

[Rippersnapper]

Yeah, it probably doesn't matter that he had the white shirt on.

[elli1]

Correction to my post--Mi Dushi is a boat...sails w/ food on Tues & Thurs/ 'Happy Hour' bar boat cruises on Wed & Fri. Couldn't find anything about captain or crew.

Kukoo Kunuku is NOT a boat. It's a party bus!

[texasbluebell]

Didn't ping you last night, because I wasn't posting, but if you didn't read the posts about N's mother at the VdS house, there wasn't too much that was revealed.

The cameras had to be turned off at the request of Papa, while the 90 minute visit was going on, though it was pretty interesting, not to say amusing, at first. When Beth and Greta got to the house, Beth was trying to rouse them while standing outside the gates. The camera was rolling then, and they picked up Papa peeking out from behind some trees near the house.

He couldn't seem to decide at first whether he should go out to the gate or not, but Beth persisted in talking to him, and he very nervously went over to her. He does look very anxious as Greta reported.

But no cameras inside the house, and it was reported by Greta that here were 2 mothers both in pain. (Though of course Mama VdS was still sticking up for her son. Also we found out that she was in Holland at the time this all happened.)

[elli1]

I'm thinking that the captain, water taxi driver would have to be licensed. Esp. given that it's a commercial venture, I'd think that insurance would insist on it.

[sarasota]

Beth finally got him out of the bushes by telling him she wanted to give him a prayer card.

[texasbluebell]

I can see VDS senior has develped his alibi that he picked up VDS jr at McD's, and brought him home around 11:00PM. Funny then VDS jr., fleds from home to go gambling at C&C's. They are all lying and like father, mother and son. The aruban officials must really be working over-time in helping the VDS's develop sound alibis in this case.

Yes, interesting that once again the story changes. Now Papa wasn't at McD's at 3:00 am, it was hours earlier. He picked up J there at 11:00, took him home, and J must have left the house later without Papa knowing about it.

He says that was against the house rules, and he had no idea that J did that.

Also he somehow can't remember if he woke up J that morning for school. Huh?

[texasbluebell]

Yes, a prayer card, that's right.

[sodpoodle]

Beth Holloway Twitty should have been able to ask Anita Van der Sloot.

"When your son last saw my daughter was she alive and well, in fear of her dying, or dead?"

sp

[elli1]

What would be the point of asking her? Only an eye witness can answer that question.

[sarasota]

Beth came away believing that progress is being made and more persons should be taken in for questioning.

[Rippersnapper]

I got the feeling that daddy Sloot might not have gone to the gate had Natalee's mom not said that she had a 'prayer card' for him.

[texasbluebell]

She would never have gotten a straight answer to that question anyway.

Maybe someday we can find out what was discussed. Must have been fascinating. Hope Greta was taking voluminous notes.

[CitizenM]

IMO, Alan Colmes doesn't look well.

I agree. I have been thinking this for quite some time. He seems to be thinner, and have a strange "greyness" to his skin. I thought it was just my imagination. Or I was being too critical. But he does not appear healthy. JMO

[sarasota]

I'm sure Greta is taking mental notes to form a composite of information for ner "special" on the case at some point...or a book deal.

[CitizenM]

Somehow I got the idea that Daddy VDS did get his son around 11, brought him home. The son called Deepak and/or his brother about going back out to C and C's because Natalee wanted him to go there. Joran was not supposed to be out, nor was the younger brother. But they picked him up and they went there. Then, later, (or early in the a.m.) Joran's dad was called (again) to get Joran in the parking lot of McD's. That is how I have come to understand it.

[twigs]

I could see the anger in her facial expressions

Wasn't that something? She was a beautiful woman. But her eyes narrowed and she looked as angry as a person possibly can just using their eyes. If looks could kill. All of the people down there seem to us to be brainwashed. Everything with the Aruban system is great; Americans and their system is suspect. It's really troubling. Clearly intelligent people just can't see what is before them and blame any and everyone else (in this case, Americans in general and the Twitty's specifically) for their own incompetence and biased system of justice.

[sarasota]

Just got a GretaWire: go to www.gretawire.com for photos and more info.

[CitizenM]

Last night brigette posted this possibility:

Maybe the brothers were told by Daddy VDS to take off with their car and clean it up real well, while Joran and Daddy took Natalee back home to decide what to do with her body. There was a call to the the DJ who lives in Santa Cruz at 6am in the morning...

I think that might be very close to part of the story. Which is why Daddy VDS was called. There was some problem, and even though Joran was out when he was not supposed to be, they needed Daddy VDS. I bet he was hopping mad that his son had skipped out, but if something serious had happened to Natalee, he probably immediately did what he could to cover it up.