Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2

Am I the only one who finds it beyond belief that the father would cover for his son if in fact N is dead? I couldn't do it.

1,241 posted on 06/22/2005 8:08:01 AM PDT by sarasota

The point of her visit was to ask questions and solicit responses.

She is not permitted to interrogate the suspect(s).

I believe Beth "wants answers". That was a question I believed would result in a response that Greta could have observed also.

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1,242 posted on 06/22/2005 8:11:23 AM PDT by sodpoodle (sparrows are underrated)

To: sarasota; All

I agree. I could not either.

FOX just had a fellow on who said that Joran has changed his story - AGAIN. I was on the phone and did not hear what he changed it to. Anyone know anything more?

1,243 posted on 06/22/2005 8:13:15 AM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)

Am I the only one who finds it beyond belief that the father would cover for his son if in fact N is dead?

If this were remotely the fact, he would be in jail with the other suspects. He has already been interviewed by the police twice. In addition, I find it extremely unlikely that he would have invited Mrs. Holloway in for a chat if he were involved in any way.

People on this thread can speculate as the might, but note that: (1) he did not lawyer-up; and (2) invited Mrs. Holloway in for a lengthy chat. If he were guilty of anything, why would he take the chance of contradicting what he told the police? He wouldn't.

1,244 posted on 06/22/2005 8:23:09 AM PDT by ContemptofCourt

To: Rippersnapper; elli1

1,245 posted on 06/22/2005 8:24:17 AM PDT by maggief

To: ContemptofCourt

Thank you for this moment of clarity.

1,246 posted on 06/22/2005 8:26:09 AM PDT by sarasota

Could be, but it seems that laws, regulations, etc., may not be a biggie on the island. A seventeen year-old can regularly drink and gamble?

1,247 posted on 06/22/2005 8:28:44 AM PDT by maggief

To: ContemptofCourt; sarasota

Also, the father's demeanor was incredibly calm and polite. The was he quietly said, "Please come in, please" sounded very humble to me.

1,248 posted on 06/22/2005 8:29:52 AM PDT by Quilla

1,249 posted on 06/22/2005 8:33:12 AM PDT by Malichi

To: Rippersnapper

That makes it more likely this is an unconscious slip, sort of like a leak from his brain that he was unaware of.

1,250 posted on 06/22/2005 8:52:08 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)

As the old saying goes: "The mills of the gods grind slow, but they grind exceedingly fine."

1,251 posted on 06/22/2005 8:53:29 AM PDT by utahagen

Very cool response! Thx much.

1,252 posted on 06/22/2005 8:55:57 AM PDT by utahagen

Believe me, I loathe OJ et al. But I give some credit to Kardashian for at least realizing before it was too late what he had helped happen. Take a look at Kardashian's face the next time that clip of the verdict reading is shown on TV. That guy knew he would eventually face -- far earlier than he thought at that time, as it ended up -- a judge who won't be fooled by the likes of Johnny Cochran.

1,253 posted on 06/22/2005 8:58:14 AM PDT by utahagen

http://www.arubaam.com/~victor/am22jun05.pdf
(page 3)

Note: Lead story ... Armed American Teen. Yesterday ... American drug arrest

Comment
Aruba: Natalee Holloway Would Have Been a One Day Story if Her Name was Lateefah
by: Steve Yuhas
Michael Jackson was found not guilty, Scott Peterson is on death row, there is no “missing” bride to be and Nancy Grace doesn’t have much to talk (or cry) about so it was wonderful when the story of a missing American in Aruba fell right into cable news show laps. The problem with the coverage that 18-year-old Natalee Holloway’s “disappearance” is generating is not that it is being covered, after all it is a story when a person goes missing, but it has been at the top of virtually every newscast for over a month and even I (normally not a skeptical race carder) am wondering if Natalee was named Lateefah (African for gentle or pleasant) if the cable news world would be fixated on her disappearance.
Holloway went missing on May 30th, it is now almost the end of June and still her disappearance is leading the news as if President Bush did not announce he will visit Vietnam, the Congress remains embattled over nominations, American cities are on the verge of bankruptcy and that there is something particularly special about Natalee Holloway. In what should have been a one or two day story where nothing new has been learned, except that the black men taken into custody initially have been released and no charges were conferred against them, the media is fixated on Natalee Holloway and Joran van der Sloot – a 17-year-old being held along with three others in Aruba.
Van der Sloot is the son of an Arubian judge so a judge from a neighboring island, Curacao, was assigned to a case that is quickly growing out of control. Justice officials in Aruba say it is not unusual that in high profile cases that judges come from neighboring islands to assist local judges and keeping Van der Sloot in custody will give police time to either rule him out or create a case against him. Holloway, from Alabama, went to Aruba, a safe island that boasted only one murder in all of 2004, to celebrate her graduation from high school with 124 classmates and 40 chaperones. News appearances by her family suggest that Holloway is the epitome of virtue and that whatever befell her had to be the work of sinister forces, but one has to wonder – why Aruba?As stores sell out of yellow ribbons in her hometown and FBI agents and all of the resources of the Arubian government (including the Prime Minister of the Dutch colony, Nelson Oduber, who told a television audience that finding Holloway was the “number one goal” of the island) are focused on finding the US citizen questions concerning what Holloway was doing the night she presumably vanished have to be asked. It is not enough for Nancy Grace to cry every night or for Greta Van Susteren to take up residence in Aruba to cover the story – no we need more so every night for the last month no news means a full hour of talking about the same thing over and over again.
This is what we know: Natalee Holloway was visiting Aruba, she was staying at the Holiday Inn and on the night before she was to return to the United States she went to a Boyz II Men concert at Surfside beach, stayed until closing time (1:00am) at a bar called Carlos ‘N Charlie’s and was wearing a blue-and-green striped, low-cut blouse, denim miniskirt and sandals. That’s it – that is all we know yet every cable network has not only followed the story, but updates us every hour on the hour with no news to report and reporters are now making the peaceful and safe island of Aruba out to be something akin to visiting Mexico without sufficient bribe money for police officers.
Holloway is consistently described by news outlets as a “teenager” as if she was not of legal age or she had just received her driver’s permit. It is true that she is eighteen, but in Aruba that is old enough to get into bars and clubs and drink the night away (witnesses say that Holloway was drinking the night she disappeared and throughout her stay); Holloway is a missing person, a grown woman, and the idea that this case has become so blown out of proportion baffles me. There is nothing significant about it insofar as a grown woman is missing, there are tons of them all over the United States and the world, but for some reason the blonde hair and consistent statements of her family that she was a “good girl” and her disappearing is “out of character” for her continue to get air play.
I’m not so naïve not to understand that when the news is slow and when your fame and fortune depends on major, high profile cases falling into your lap so that your angry and vitriolic tone can help boost ratings for CNN that you don’t jump at the chance to cover and cry over a story (read: Nancy Grace), but for Greta Van Susteren to cover the case with such vigor is overkill for someone who typically balances out the sensational with the standard and mundane, yet important, legal issues of the day. Something has to explain what it is about Holloway that makes her disappearance so special and the disappearance of so many people that are just normal every day people that they make the headlines so often.
There is no other explanation for the coverage of Natalee Holloway’s disappearance from Aruba and the continuous coverage of it other than the fact that she is a pretty white girl who presumably went missing in Aruba at the suspected hands of an important justice official. Had Natalee been black and had she went missing in Jamaica, I hardly think that Nancy or Greta would be crying (well Nancy would cry because that is what makes Nancy Grace who she is) or taking up residence there. We’ve seen this story play out too many times for me not to believe that there is something about how a presumed victim looks that drives the coverage and that is a sad admission for me to make.
Holloway is a grown woman who went to Aruba because she wanted to have a good time, yes there were chaperones, but where were they when she was in a bar drinking with folks she may have known only for a few days or a week? Where were the chaperones when night fell and the bars closed knowing that she had a plane to catch the next morning to check on her to make sure she was okay? The chaperone to student ratio during her trip was better than the guest to staff rate at a five star hotel – surely someone should have noticed that she was not there. More importantly though: why did Holloway leave, as witnesses have accounted many times, in a car with people if she was the virtuous girl that she was when the bar closed when she should have gone to bed?These are questions that the news simply won’t ask a grieving family looking for their loved one, but someone has to start asking why this story is getting so much attention. Holloway is a grown woman who may have left Aruba on her own accord or may have been the victim of foul play – either way the story is old and tiresome and it almost makes me miss the days of slow speed helicopter coverage of the Michael Jackson convoy arriving at court or the Peterson jury deliberation clock that appeared when the jury was in session.
I’m not a race baiter and not someone who typically looks for trends concerning race, beauty or victim- hood, but in this case there is no other explanation for the amount of coverage Natalee Holloway received for not making her plane back to Mississippi from Aruba. I hate to say it, but there may be something to the notion that it pays to have white skin when it comes to disappearing because I don’t know the face of a single missing black or brown person, but I know plenty of white ones and the one I have seen for a full month has been Natalee Holloway.
I hope they find out what happened to her, if anything, and that she return home safely, but if that is not the case I find myself hoping that one day I’ll recognize a missing black woman when she disappears and hear her mother’s pleas for a safe return in the same volume as I’ve heard for a grown woman from Alabama.
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1,254 posted on 06/22/2005 9:11:59 AM PDT by maggief

What is to be expected is professional law enforcement courtesy. I have worked investigations in other countries involving Americans, military, dependents and civilian contractors. This concept of a working relationship prevailed and both America and the host nation benefited.(Trust&Partnership)equalled crime solving as a team.

Are you an American or Aruban? Regardless, cooperation in allowing both the host and foreign agency to work an investgation together promotes an open and better investigative process/diplomacy.

If a Russian citizen were murdered in America, they would be afforded the courtesy of having their LEA work together with our the investigating agency to solve the crime if requested or not. However, if this crime involved the national security of America, I would say no.

As to this investigation in Aruba, I am not in one bit impressed with the attitude, prefessionalism, lacksadaisical, careless, incompetent, bumbling, unprofessional and arrogance of this Dutch controlled LEA/judicial system Utopia to date.

I will respectfully say, I this were your daughter or family member you would want the Aruban authorities to let the FBI enter VDS house to search for evidence. What say you? NSNR

1,255 posted on 06/22/2005 9:22:30 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat

To: maggiefluffs

Hopefully Steve Yuhas will never enter the United States of America (again). We will not give up until Natalle Holloway is found and those who harmed her (and those who helped them) are punished. Her life is worth the lives of all Arubans as far as I'm concerned.

1,256 posted on 06/22/2005 9:30:16 AM PDT by af_vet_1981

To: texasbluebell

Typical, cannot remember to remember. I was wondering what this little privileged (POS) needs rules for? He apparently never adheres to them anyway.

The father(VDS sr.) is lying to protect both his son and his sorry ass. Mom was suddenly away on a trip, very good alibi. This whole investigation from the Dutch judicial system, law enforcement, to their untalented investigative procedures all reeks of one big collusive effort to protect their own.

I ask all Freepers to let us not put our American Dollars into this vipers' den. Spend your vacation money in America and send Aruba/Dutch a patriotic message. "Don't Tread On Us!!!" America, first last and always. NSNR

1,257 posted on 06/22/2005 9:35:00 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat

To: Rippersnapper; TexKat; brigette; Howlin; All

Compare both pictures. One is from a Tattoo website, picture titled "Captain and Crew," and the other is of a person who resembles Croes wearing a shirt silimar to the captain's.

1,258 posted on 06/22/2005 9:35:05 AM PDT by maggief

I am sure that I echo the feelings of all on this thread when I say ,

< NATALEE IS MY CHILD

1,259 posted on 06/22/2005 9:36:37 AM PDT by MAWG (Diversity is where everyone looks different but thinks the same way.)

Twigs, glad to say I was not the only one who caught this passive facial hostility. The aruban female lawyer looked like she could have killed someone.

Actually, I have seen that look many times on the faces of the North Koreans, muslim terrorists and the democrats in both the house and senate. NSNR

1,260 posted on 06/22/2005 9:40:15 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat

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