Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[onyx]

LOL! Oh, I knew he was a little over 40, which makes him a bit too old for me to be his mommy.

[onyx]

Johnny Mims is our insurance man.

[Canadian Outrage]

Hi onyx. It sure answers a lot of questions for me. I'll bet they really didn't want this information getting out. Also Paul Van der S. in the interview with Greta said he IS a Judge. Well turns out he was turned down. He is NOT a Judge. He is a bloody LIAR!!

[the Deejay]

As per an earlier post of mine today, IIRC, early on the cop that arrested Joran, said,

"How can I arrest this boy? He's the son of my best friend."

[monkeywrench]

Some one claimed to have, but, some posters don't seem to believe him. We'll see. Now, they're talking about the lies the aruban authorities have told. Turns out joran isn't getting interrogated everyday.

Another poster who was defending aruban authorities constantly, said the PM has just asked for more fbi, and resources put to this. "Happy now?" She asks? LOL! Yes! (If true)

[demkicker]

My incident happened in 1969 (telling my age!). I didn't have a problem smooching the guy, but that wasn't enough for him. Since that was a different era and I'd never been around guys who who didn't act like gentlemen around girls, I was in complete shock when he abandoned me.

Natalee strikes me as being a naive girl too who was used to socializing with circle of friends that consisted of nice boys. She obviously thought she could trust Joran, especially after mingling with him on more than one occassion that week. Bad mistake.

[onyx]

Hey CO! Yep, for me, that God son stuff answered a whole lot of questions and you're right about catching P in that lie. Well, this whole investigation is too damn incestuous: the judge connection and now this Godfather connection.

To those folks, Natalee is just an expendable American tourist girl who "led him astray." I'm sorry to say that, but it's the only explanation I can come up with. Something went terribly wrong and she died and whomever was with her, got rid of her. In my mind it all points to nobody but JVDS and he might have had help from his father or the two brothers. I mean, CO, why lie from the get go if all he did was leave her on the beach to fend for herself?

[Canadian Outrage]

That's what bugs me the most Howlin. All the time that these incompetent idiots (Aruban police) gave for evidence to be destroyed. I think this kid wasn't arrested for 10 days. Sure they put these guys under surveillance and seized cell phone and email records but not right away. The father I thought looked like he was sitting on tacks. The sweating really was PROFUSE. Also, Greta said he continually kept wringing his hands. This is really sad. It has been bungled so badly and these people surely do need God's help.

[the Deejay]

why lie from the get go if all he did was leave her on the beach to fend for herself?

Exactly.

An honorable person would not do that.

An honest person would not lie and change their story and have their friends lie, either.

[Yaelle]

I like old Shep because you just never know what is going to come out of his mouth next.

I remember when he accidentally said "blow job" on TV and had to come back after the break and apologize. I wish I remembered in what context thet slip was made.

[monkeywrench]

Speaking of croes, this posted at "political teen" http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/06/28/1816/#more-1816

[maggief]

I just got off phone with Mickey John. Greta was at his house today and he may be on tonight. I asked him if deepak told him/said "I never shoulda lef her w/Joran" HE SAID NO _ NEVER. Deepak did say to him that he and Saish dropped NH and Joran off at the Marriot afer he lighthouse. Then Deepak said he and Satish went home. The whole thing he said about Holiday Inn was a lie that the VDS "family" made up and asked Deepak and Satish to agree to. As far as what Deepak meant by the VDS "family" he doesn't know if it includes "Tom Dick or Harry" to quote Mickey John. Also Mickey did believe that Deepak was telling truth. Deepak was sorry to have supported the family lie as it landed him in jail. I may miss show..KERIN if u see it let me know? Thanx

Looks like I'll be tuning into Greta's show again tonight.

[onyx]

Exactly right DJ. Heck, even a scared kid would admit to leaving the girl alone on the beach "IF" that's what really happened, and that same scared kid would have joined the search for her too.

Push me away from the computer, will ya? I have chores to do and I HAVE to finish before 3:00PM Pacific. Don't answer any more posts from me unless I post after 3:00PM. LOL. I'm serious. I have procrastinated the day awway thus far.

[bluepistolero]

I actually heard it, and could not believe my ears. He was talking about J-Lo and had a major Freudian slip.

[gingersnaps]

Nobody was sweating like the dad. The mom was perspiring, he had rivers flowing down his head and face.

Well, fine. People sweat differently. Men tend to sweat more than women. And anybody would sweat in the situation they were in.

But to paraphrase John Nance Garner: It still doesn't add up to more than a bucket of warm...sweat.

[Yaelle]

The whole thing he said about Holiday Inn was a lie that the VDS "family" made up

So Mr. Wanna-Be Judge was suborning perjury? Good thing he failed his exam...

[maggief]

Another tidbit via SM:

He (John) asked me to give a shout out on his behalf.
He also just found out about Jorans godfather
and said that was F***ED UP!!!

[gingersnaps]

Ha! Thanks for the info on Gingersnaps. No, I wasn't offended at all.

I have great respect for LEOs and former LEOs. One of my favorites is Mark Fuhrman. But, Fuhrman was wrong about the Jessica Lunsford case. Based on his law enforcement expertise (and his gut feelings, I suppose), he kept pointing the finger at Jessica's dad and the rest of her family.

Turned out to be dead wrong, of course.