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Berkeley is always good for a laugh, but it's too bad for those who claim to be Jeffersonian Democrats.
1 posted on 06/26/2005 7:34:47 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

They could always change the name to the Bill Clinton Elementary School....and be associated with an adulterer and all-around sleazeball.

The PC Police strike again. :)


2 posted on 06/26/2005 7:36:19 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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In an ironic twist, Mr. Larrick noted that the City of Berkeley is named after George Berkeley, an Irish-born philosopher and Anglican bishop who brought several slaves to his Rhode Island plantation in the late 1720s. "In a way, it's worse than Jefferson, because the bishop was an apologist for slavery," Mr. Larrick said.

I wouldn't mind seeing Bezerkeley shed its association with US Presidents - specificially the ones that it manages to get from my wallet!

4 posted on 06/26/2005 7:43:08 AM PDT by thoughtomator (The U.S. Constitution poses no serious threat to our form of government)
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To: neverdem

But, but........

I thought that the school was named for that famous American.... George Jefferson, husband of Wheezie and neighbor to Archie Bunker

all kidding aside, I refuse to donate to my old college since they jumped onthe PC bandwagon and the name"Braves"

Since when is being a "Brave" a bad thing ??


5 posted on 06/26/2005 7:48:06 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (Well... There you go again!)
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To: neverdem

No great loss.


6 posted on 06/26/2005 7:48:07 AM PDT by Dallas59 (" I have a great team that is going to beat George W. Bush" John Kerry -2004)
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To: neverdem
Oh hell.
Yo Berkeley, stop the pussy footing around. Just name the 'darn' school after someone who you all really admire there. Bite the bullet and name it....
The Joseph Stalin Polytech Institute Of Elementary Education

7 posted on 06/26/2005 7:50:02 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: neverdem

The Berzerkley Marxist-Leninist school board may want to consider the name, Saddam Hussein High School. He didn't own slaves, hates America and only murdered people who got in the way of his socialist Baath Party.


9 posted on 06/26/2005 7:52:04 AM PDT by AF68
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A spokesman for the Berkeley Unified School District, Mark Coplan, acknowledged that Chief Sequoia "presumably owned slaves and was rather barbaric," but he emphasized that the proposed new name would honor the sequoia tree, not the Cherokee leader.

But the Sequoia tree is named after Chief Sequoia.

< /monkey wrench >

BTW, wouldn't a Berkeleyite be calling anyone else racist for calling an Indian, or any other minority, "barbaric"?
10 posted on 06/26/2005 7:54:02 AM PDT by kenth
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"School May Shed Association With A U.S. President (Berkeley)"

Hot off the press! The school has also decided to shed any association with education!

11 posted on 06/26/2005 7:54:13 AM PDT by Enterprise (Thus sayeth our rulers - "All your property is mine." - - - Kelo vs New London)
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What a bunch of stupid people. Yes Jefferson owned slaves. That's what life was like back then. He also freed most of his his slaves, except Sally Hemmings (I guess he did want to let her go).


12 posted on 06/26/2005 7:54:34 AM PDT by Clock King
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LOL Only in Kalifornicia!


13 posted on 06/26/2005 7:54:49 AM PDT by upchuck (If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: neverdem

And I have the same words for those who want to change the history of Robert E. Lee. Lee did A LOT to try to heal the wounds of the Civil War after he was broke and pennyless. And he freed his slaves BEFORE the war started. Black people need to learn and appreciate REAL history, not mythology, so we don't fall into the same trap as before.


14 posted on 06/26/2005 7:57:09 AM PDT by Clock King
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Sorry, if you name it "Sequoia" the illegal immigrants will protest because they don't have sequoias growing in their homeland. Maybe Tumbleweed would be a good name. Maybe they need to stop using the term school because that word is too restrictive and implies regimentation. They could call it the "Tumbleweed Gathering Place for All Peoples Where All Politcal Points of View Will be Disseminated (Except Those Which Espose the Values of the Founders of the United States)and Wherea Few Tidbits of True Facts Will be Broadcast, for Those Who Wish to Learn, Along with Loving Thoughts of Worldwide Brotherhood and Repetitive Subliminal Messaging to Ensure That Attendees Will Become Socialists".


17 posted on 06/26/2005 8:07:33 AM PDT by ArmedNReady (Islam, the Cancer on Humanity.)
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How about Porky Pig Elementary....

to match the students' overall attention span, intelligence and obesity?

18 posted on 06/26/2005 8:12:29 AM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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On another thread I gave an update. The Board said no to the change. I had called both the Board of Education and UC Berkeley to stick it to them by demanding that they change the name Berkeley because he was a slave owner.


24 posted on 06/26/2005 8:23:35 AM PDT by doug from upland (MOCKING DEMOCRATS 24/7 --- www.rightwingparodies.com)
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Some community members have pointed out that under Chief Sequoia's leadership in the early 19th century, the Cherokee nation owned more than 1,500 black slaves.

So that leaves as a possibility...the Lenin School?

27 posted on 06/26/2005 8:38:11 AM PDT by BlazingArizona
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Yes, name the school after a tree, that will help encourage the 'goddess' and earth worship. When I first read this story, I heard it was a school dropping a 'confederate' era name. I never imagined it was Jefferson. What must the Jefferson Dems be thinking?


29 posted on 06/26/2005 8:40:57 AM PDT by fortunecookie
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These people are completely ignorant and have no sense of this great man.

David G. Post
Temple University Law School1
http://www.temple.edu/lawschool/dpost/slavery.PDF

"Jefferson did more to end slavery in the United States than anyone else in in the United States than anyone else in American history with the single exception of Abraham Lincoln (who, not coincidentally, took Jefferson as his guiding light)

“I am sustained by Mr. Jefferson.”
Abraham Lincoln
Springfield, Illinois, July 17, 1858

"He loathed slavery – this “great political and
moral evil,” he called it in the only book he published in his lifetime, Notes on Virginia."

“What a stupendous, what an incomprehensible, machine is man,” he wrote for the entry for “The United States” to be included in Diderot’s great Encycolpedie in the mid 1780s,
“who can endure toil, famine, stripes, imprisonment and death itself in vindication of his own liberty, and the next moment be deaf to all those motives whose power supported him through his trial, and inflict on his fellow-men a bondage, one hour of which is fraught with more misery than ages of that which he rose in rebellion to oppose.”

"...in 1769, while a member of the Virginia House of Burgesses, Jefferson helped to draft a bill to allow for “manumission by deed” – a procedure whereby slave-owners could transfer, by deed, their “property interest” in slaves back to the slaves themselves, setting them free. The bill eventually passed in 1782, and Jefferson – by then the Governor of the new state – signed it into law that year;

· as a fledgling practicing lawyer, in 1770, in his argument in the obscure case of Howell v. Netherland, which involved the freedom or enslavement of a third-generation mulatto, Jefferson had pled that “we are all born free” and that slavery was contrary to natural law – an argument the court dismissed out of hand.

· Jefferson prepared not one but two drafts of a Constitution for the State of Virginia, one in 1776, one in 1783. The earlier draft would have prohibited the importation of slaves into the State: “No person hereafter
coming into this county shall be held within the same in slavery under any pretext whatever.” The 1783 draft went further: “The General assembly shall not have to power to ... permit the introduction of any more slaves to
reside in this state, or the continuance of slavery beyond the generation which shall be living on the 31st day of December 1800; all persons born after that day being hereby declared free.”

· As a member of the federal Congress in 1783-84, Jefferson drafted and submitted to that body a Report on the Government of the Western Territories, which Congress enacted into law as the Ordinance of 1784. It provided that “after the year 1800 of the Christian era, there shall be neither slavery nor involuntary servitude . . . otherwise than in punishment of crimes, whereof the party shall have been duly convicted to have been personally guilty” in any part of the United States outside of the original 13 colonies.

The slavery prohibition was deleted by Congress from the
final bill – by a single vote. (Under the Articles of Confederation, which were then in effect, laws could be enacted only if supported by the delegations of seven States. Six States (Penn., NY, Conn., R.I., Mass.,
Maine) supported Jefferson’s slavery prohibition; three (Virginia [Jefferson himself dissenting], MD, and SC) opposed it; NC was divided.

New Jersey would have supported the prohibition but its delegate, James Beatty, was ill and did not attend the session. Jefferson wrote later in his Autobiography:

“Seven votes being requisite to decide the proposition
affirmatively, it was lost. The voice of a single individual of the State which was divided [New Jersey] . . . would have prevented this abominable crime from spreading itself over the new country.

Thus we see the fate of millions unborn hanging on the tongue of one man, and Heaven was silent in that awful moment! But it is to be hoped it will not always be silent, and that the friends to the rights of human nature will in the end prevail.”

Jefferson introduced, Congress passed, and Jefferson signed, a bill prohibiting any further importation of slaves as of the earliest date the Constitution permitted: January 1, 1808.

Were the rights of all included in the Declaration of Independence?

Jefferson makes it clear by including the following paragraph later in the document, on the list of King George III’s“abuses and usurpations” “He has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating and carrying
them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither.

This piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain. Determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought and sold, he has prostituted his negative
[i.e., his veto powers over Colonial legislation], suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce. And that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he
is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, by murdering the people on whom he also obtruded them: thus paying off former crimes committed against the liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges
them to commit against the lives of another.”2

This passage, like the anti-slavery provisions in Jefferson’s draft of the Ordinance of 1784, was deleted by Congress before final approval of the Declaration.



Some call him a hypocrite. What is missing from this charge -
Here's a man born to the upper class of VA, a gentry-man raised with slavery as a part of the culture, the inherent right to inherit, own them and "the way things are."
Yet, he had the moral fiber and innate sense of "justice" to write the words above to change this culture he was raised to believe he was entitled to.
Alas Jefferson eventually recognized the futility of trying in his time to end slavery but knew some future leader would arrive and seize the opportunity to eliminate that which he obviously loathed.
30 posted on 06/26/2005 8:43:17 AM PDT by Smartaleck
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“God, who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just. That his justice cannot sleep for-ever. Commerce between master and slave is despotism. Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free.” -- Thomas Jefferson
34 posted on 06/26/2005 8:49:59 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (A faith in Justice, none in "fairness.")
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WOW!!!! THAT WILL CERTAINLY BE A BIG BLOW FOR CIVIL RIGHTS IN THIS COUNTRY!!!!!! WHY IT MIGHT EVEN MEAN THE NAALCP CAN CLOSE DOWN BECAUSE ITS WORK IS DONE!!!!!


35 posted on 06/26/2005 8:52:48 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Dealing with liberals? Remember: when you wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty and he loves it.)
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The man that Berkeley was named for has a similiar problem.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1428681/posts


37 posted on 06/26/2005 8:59:12 AM PDT by tertiary01 (It took 21 years but 1984 finally got here.)
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