Dingell Condemns Remarks Attacking Islam by Rep. Tancredo

John Dingell Press Release ^ | 7/23/2005

[va4me]

What is it that Mr. Dingbat does not understand? Islam is as peaceful as Naziism.

Then how do you explain the turnaround in Iraq, the millions that risked their lives to come out and vote, and the hundreds of thousands of Muslims that are fighting side by side with our brave soldiers and Marines to bring freedom to Iraq?

Though I haven't talked to any of my friends in the region, I'm sure that Tancredo's comments went over as well as Dingel's remarks with our service members in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[E Rocc]

[[Why is it that our Freepers who have been to Iraq, or are there now, don't agree with you?]]

Better yet Eric, let's see YOU walk down the street in any of these muslim countries and let's see how long it takes you to assume room temperature. Put up or shut up. The religion of peace would use your head for a paint bucket.

Better sources than you say otherwise.

-Eric

[arnoldpalmerfan]

You are correct.

Cong. Dingell has something in common with all or nearly all of those that attack Cong. Tancredo at Free Rebublic. Like them, he supports giving legal status to illegal aliens.

Cong. Dingell has the blood of over three thousand (3,000) Americans on his hands based on his actions in Congress prior to September 11, 2001. The immigration policies of Cong. Dingell and those like him in Congress was a major cause of Americans being murdered by Islamic terrorists on September 11, 2001.

[Kirkwood]

Apparently you haven't been paying attention to all the terrorist attacks directed toward arab governments and arab establishments. Terrorists don't give a rat's ass if you detroy Mecca and they would celebrate our taking that action because it makes our position weaker and theirs stronger. You can't reason with or threaten a fanatic. You are being manipulated by terrorists and reacting exactly in the way they want you to react.

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

Once Mecca is gone, Muhammad is exposed as a false prophet.

Yes.

Muslims know this already and fear it becoming widely recognized. The pyramid scheme will crumble quickly and undebiably.

Lets get objective, pragmatic, and get on with it!

[varyouga]

And they wonder why Osama endorses democrats.

The statement was we will bomb holy sites IF we got hit with nuclear attacks.

I think GWB should make it clear that we will level all muslim countries IF we got hit with nukes or other WMDs. This should be official policy as was with the soviets.

If we make this 100% clear the islamonazis will think twice before pressing that button. They will know that nuking NYC will cause hundreds of millions of their brothers to meet the same fate.

Remember, 99% of Russians did not want to nuke anybody. But it was necessary to make that threat with MAD to stop the crazy 1%. Sometimes you have to stand up and show teeth.

"carry a big stick"

[E Rocc]

Once Mecca is gone, Muhammad is exposed as a false prophet.

If St. Peters was attacked by terrorists, would Roman Catholicism go away? Or would its adherents perhaps become more devout?

-Eric

[Reactionary]

"You mean the same vast majority of Muslims who are living, fighting, aiding, and dying with our American troops?"

A "vast majority?" Where? In a single country? Iraq?

I doubt that constitutes a "vast majority" of Muslims.

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

"....hundreds of thousands of Muslims that are fighting side by side...."

The same was so with the ARVN, not so very long ago...half or more of them were VC, and another 49% of them feared for their families.....I fully support establishing secular democracy in the center of the muslim world.....but I remember full well the course of events from Jan, 1973 thru April, 1975........hopefully, the final outcome this time will be different.

[tomahawk]

I am not attacking Muslims as people, I am merely describing the violent false religion that most of them were born into.

Most Muslims probably know very little about the Koran, just following their clerics, imams, etc.

[Kirkwood]

"nonsense....stop watching those terrorist training films"

You are an utter fool if you think you can stop muslim fanatics by bombing arab holy cities or threatening to. Have we been stopped by muslims bombing our cities and embassies? Hell, no. All you are doing by making threats is reacting exactly in the way they want you to react. These terrorists are not stupid camel drivers. Many have been educated in the west and know our culture and have spent years learning how to manipulate us and our media. They are purposely using violence to make us react in specific ways and split apart our culture. For now, they are back to working at the soft underbelly of western culture in europe. Until we get the guts to wage a CULTURAL war in muslim countries, we will always be vulnerable. Sadly our own PC culture is leading us to our own destruction.

[va4me]

The same was so with the ARVN, not so very long ago...half or more of them were VC, and another 49% of them feared for their families.....I fully support establishing secular democracy in the center of the muslim world.....but I remember full well the course of events from Jan, 1973 thru April, 1975........hopefully, the final outcome this time will be different.

I mean no disrespect to you since you know a lot more about vietnam than I (based on your username), but I really dislike the parallels being drawn between the conflicts (usually from the Kennedy crowd). In Iraq there is no central, organized opposition, most of the country is on our side. We also have an administration committed to victory.

[DJ Taylor]

"Cong. Dingell has the blood of over three thousand (3,000) Americans on his hands based on his actions in Congress prior to September 11, 2001."

As a member of the 93rd Congress, Dingell has the blood of millions of Vietnamese, Cambodians, and Laotians on his hands. As a member of the Democrat controlled 93rd Congress in 1975, Dingell betrayed and abandoned a valiant ally by refusing to come to South Vietnam's aid when they were attacked by the communists.

One of my last remaining goals in life is to live long enough to piss on Dingell's grave.

[XJarhead]

the terrorists' hiding behind veils of secrecy is going to cause damage to people, places and things that are dear to their hearts. And it will be laid at their feet as "them" causing it.

So you think that moslems are going to blame terrorists because we nuked Mecca, and therefore they'll crack down on them? Well, I suppose its possible, but I think that's pretty unlikely.

Similar to what happens in the on-going Israel/Palestine situation. A bomb goes off, a rocket fires back. The old story of "you started it," "no, you started it" is getting tiring.

But the Israelis are firing rockets at known terrorist camps, not just launching them into any old village. They're at least aiming at people they know are trying to do them harm.

Especially if those someones are shooting at our troops from inside a mosque, for example. Minarets are going to go down.

I've got no problem with that at all.

[tomahawk]

Scary, but believable.

[tomahawk]

There's no equivalence, as according to Islam, Mecca and its "holy" places are not supposed to be harmed.

There's nothing in the New Testament about St. Peter's.

[Travis McGee]

Mecca IS Islam, in a way it is difficult for Westerners to comprehend. Two of the "five pillars of Islam" are based on worshipping that black moon-god rock called Al-Hajarul Aswad in Arabic. (5x daily prayer to the moon-rock, and the Haj or pilgrimage to visit and worship the moon-rock in person.) Muslims see the black stone not as symbolic, but as a physical manifestation of Allah on earth, a chunk of Allah fallen to earth. The black stone has the power to suck all of the sins and evil out of men performing the Hajj pilgrimage. (Interesting to note that Islam’s holy of holies is packed with all of the sins of all of the Muslims who ever made the Hajj.)

Devout Muslims believe that the black stone represents all of Allah's power and glory. They believe, sincerely, that if the USA launched rockets at Mecca, Allah would swat them away like flies, or turn them around to hit New York or Washington.

If Allah could not stop the”infidel” bombs, and Mecca was turned into a crater, this would constitute absolute proof that Muhammed was a fraud and a liar, and that the moon-god rock had no power after all.

This would mean the end of the entire cult of Islam. Their cult could not adapt to or respond to or overcome complete, visible proof that Allah was powerless to stop the infidel weapons.

Now, I'm not calling for or predicting Mecca will ever be bombed. Not unless American cities were destroyed by Islamofascist nuclear bombs first. Our insane enemies don't care if we threaten Cairo or Damascus. They would welcome such attacks, as providing mega-martyrs for Allah! Polls conducted in many Islamic nations have asked, "Would it be worth it to wipe Israel off the map with atomic bombs, if it meant millions of Muslims would die in the counterstrike?" The poll is answered YES! by high numbers. So targeting cities means nothing to our fanatical enemies.

Mecca, on the other hand, means everything to our enemies. Some of our semi-rational enemies must understand that if they nuke our cities, they may finally get a test of Allah's power to smite incoming missiles before they can hit and destroy Mecca and Allah’s black moon-god Ka’aba rock. These semi-rational enemies must understand this, so that they can influence the complete maniacs, and keep them from ever getting the nuclear weapons they would surely use against America, given the chance.

The semi-rational Islamists must understand that Mecca and Allah's all-powerful black moon-god rock are on the table, as a retaliatory target, if our cities are attacked with nukes.

Putting Mecca on the counterstrike target option list, even hypothetically, means far, far more to them than threats to change Arab regimes or bomb Muslim capitols.

I want the insane and semi-sane Islamofascists to understand this: nuke America, and Mecca is on the retaliation list. This is the only meaningful deterrent threat, to insane and semi-sane Islamofascists. If you wish the sane Muslims and semi-sane Islamists to influence the Islamofascists away from WMD attacks on the USA, let it be known that the very existence of Mecca, (and therefore their entire religion), is on the table.

(And don't bother with the trite comparison of Mecca and say, the Vatican. The Vatican is just the place the Pope hangs his miter. Catholics don't literally lay down and worship some idol in St. Peters 5 X a day, for 20 minutes. If Rome was nuked, it would not destroy Christianity. Christianity lies in the heart of each believer, in the concept of Jesus the Savior on the Cross, not in worshipping some physical idol or totem like Allah's black rock.)

Islam: Meteorite Worship of the black stone