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Boeing's F-15 tries to stay aloft
St. Louis Post-Dispatch ^ | July 30, 2005 | Tim McLaughlin

Posted on 07/31/2005 9:26:36 AM PDT by Righty_McRight

Boeing Co.'s St. Louis-made F-15 Eagle used to be the sure thing of fighter jet procurement. Now the aging fighter is just a long shot in its own country.

Jim Albaugh, chief executive of Boeing Integrated Defense Systems, says the odds are against the U.S. Air Force signing a multiyear deal to buy more F-15s. That assessment isn't surprising as the Pentagon prepares to spend billions of dollars over the next few decades for the F/A-22 Raptor and F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, two planes under development by Lockheed Martin Corp.

Still, some influential members of Congress say the Air Force needs a hedge against production delays or cost overruns. They believe the F-15 can play an important role in keeping the country's dwindling inventory of fighter jets at a healthy level during the transition to the Raptor and JSF.

One potential scenario has the Air Force buying anywhere from 100 to 144 F-15s as insurance against a slip in the JSF program, according to people familiar with informal discussions that started about two years ago.

That would be a boon for the F-15 program. Production of the storied combat plane will end in 2008, unless Boeing wins more orders. St. Louis defense workers have made more than 1,500 of the F-15s. The first F-15A flight was made in 1972.

Currently, the most hopeful market for more F-15s is Singapore, which could make a decision as early as next month on whether to take the Boeing plane or a French-made fighter in a competition worth an estimated $1 billion.

(Excerpt) Read more at stltoday.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: boeing; duncanhunter; f15; f22; f35; ids; jsf; miltech; raptor; usaf
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To: Dilbert56
Re: Wild Weasel: Wasn't there an article recently where the F-18F model was being modified to replace the EA-6B? Seems like the Super Hornet would inherit the Wild Wesel role.

EA-18G
http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/ea18g/flash.html


41 posted on 07/31/2005 7:34:26 PM PDT by Righty_McRight
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To: Better Dead Than Red
Here ya go...

The Eagle's survivability, excellent performace and combat effectiveness is in no little part due to the sound and robust design, best displayed by an IAF F-15 on May 1st, 1983. On a joint training flight with A-4 Skyhawks, an F-15D collided with a Skyhawk. While the Skyhawk crew had to eject, the Eagle crew managed to land their crippled aircraft, whose entire right wing had been torn off!"

42 posted on 07/31/2005 8:05:04 PM PDT by Mike-o-Matic
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To: spectr17
   All of a sudden there was a roar in the sky and I looked up to see 2 pair of afterburners going straight up.

I was an IT intern at Mac in 1990. I'll always remember that was the summer before Desert Shield because C130s dropped by to pick up all their extra Pegasus engines (used in AV-8B Harriers) for use as spares for Marine birds in the field.

Anyway, at the end of the summer, my boss (who had helped design F-15 components prior to transitioning into IT) set me up with a buddy on the production line for a couple of days of watching 'em build 15s and 18s. I saw a two takeoffs as you described -- I was told that the test pilots did that on just about every first flight.

43 posted on 07/31/2005 8:12:51 PM PDT by Mike-o-Matic
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To: Righty_McRight

Best/worst/too old/whatever.

The F-15 was, quite simply, the most beautiful aircraft ever flown and will hold that title forever. Graceful and elegant, like a swan, it owned the skies for 30 years and still is better than everything except the JSF amd F-22.

And the latter 2 may be more effective, but the F-15 will always be remembered as master of the sky for her day and a beauty forever.

She has some life left, since who can afford her only rivals?


44 posted on 07/31/2005 8:13:14 PM PDT by Shazbot29 (If you paid attention you'd be worried, too!)
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To: Mike-o-Matic
For the record, I found that picture and narrative by Googling. Source site: here.
45 posted on 07/31/2005 8:14:20 PM PDT by Mike-o-Matic
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To: SlowBoat407

The F15's tiles don't seem to fall off quite as often.


46 posted on 07/31/2005 8:18:15 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Bring one in from 200 miles up and we'll see how it does.

I remember when these puppies made their debut at Langley Air Force Base. I saw one go screaming by a couple hundred feet off the ground, do a couple of barrel rolls, then go ballistic. Awsome sight. All jokes aside, it was and is still a fine machine.


47 posted on 07/31/2005 8:21:30 PM PDT by SlowBoat407 (A living affront to Islam since 1959)
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To: al baby

Time share???


48 posted on 07/31/2005 9:08:40 PM PDT by Atchafalaya (When you're there that's the best!!)
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To: bill1952

Ahhh, a bird of prey.


49 posted on 07/31/2005 9:11:52 PM PDT by Atchafalaya (When you're there that's the best!!)
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To: al baby

Yeah, it would make a dandy crop duster!


50 posted on 07/31/2005 9:16:36 PM PDT by Brofholdonow
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To: Pukin Dog

mmmmmmmmm still here, they keep showing and talking about "it"; I don't pretend to know anything about development/procurement/production. If no JSF as you said last year then what do the Navy and Marines do. Not another 18 upgrade I'm sure.


51 posted on 07/31/2005 9:34:19 PM PDT by Atchafalaya (When you're there that's the best!!)
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To: bill1952

That is what he is talking about, post 4.


52 posted on 07/31/2005 9:36:15 PM PDT by Atchafalaya (When you're there that's the best!!)
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To: pad 34

I lived at RAF Lakenheath a few years ago; OK, quite a few years ago.


53 posted on 07/31/2005 9:36:16 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Pukin Dog

Ahhh, points to discuss. I can see why you would say it ain't gonna make it operational. As a civilian I keep seeing this neat plane every now and then and ??what?? Techwise I think they can do the engine/vectoring thing; need mogas or nogas.


54 posted on 07/31/2005 9:48:19 PM PDT by Atchafalaya (When you're there that's the best!!)
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To: 185JHP

Did that a long time ago!


55 posted on 07/31/2005 9:53:48 PM PDT by Atchafalaya (When you're there that's the best!!)
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To: Shazbot29

F104, nothing close.


56 posted on 07/31/2005 9:58:20 PM PDT by Atchafalaya (When you're there that's the best!!)
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To: Shazbot29

F104, nothing even comes close!
A repost!


57 posted on 07/31/2005 10:02:03 PM PDT by Atchafalaya (When you're there that's the best!!)
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To: Atchafalaya
F-4's.. out of the Inventory in 1996 after almost 35+ years of service.

F-16. The mainstay in fighter/bomber role in the USAF. But the design is just about 30 years old.

F-15's, are still in active service.. but the design is almost 30+ years old also. A Models are in Guard Service, C models are in the front line wings. E models are great ground attack planes.

F-22.. Its starting to make inroads in active service at the 1st Fighter Wing at Langley. There is BIG talk about it in Air Combat Command now.

F-35. it will come into active service.. Eventually...
59 posted on 07/31/2005 10:34:16 PM PDT by Kitanis
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To: Mike-o-Matic; spectr17; Shazbot29

The F-15 is my favorite fighter of all time. Spent many nights in Germany in the late 1970's admiring their lines as I drove the flight line guarding them.
Was able to see many night-time full-afterburner take-offs...what a beautiful sight!


60 posted on 07/31/2005 10:54:33 PM PDT by Mustng959 (Honoring those that gave their all in support of our freedoms)
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