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Pilot 'alive before Greek crash'
CNN.com ^ | 8/14/05 | CNN

Posted on 08/16/2005 10:29:43 AM PDT by d-informed-1

ATHENS, Greece -- An autopsy on the body of the co-pilot of a Cyprus airliner that crashed killing all 121 on board shows he was alive when the plane went down, a private Greek television channel has reported.

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Officials on Tuesday said they had found only the exterior container of the cockpit voice recorder from the plane, hampering investigative efforts into the accident's cause.

The device's internal components were ejected from the container when the plane crashed into a mountainous region north of Athens on Sunday, Akrivos Tsolakis, head of the Greek airline safety committee, told The Associated Press.

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KEYWORDS: crash; greece; greek; heliosairways
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read the whole article. does this sound fishy to anyone else?
1 posted on 08/16/2005 10:29:44 AM PDT by d-informed-1
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To: d-informed-1

What's a fish sound like?


2 posted on 08/16/2005 10:32:32 AM PDT by NathanBookman (I'm a star, I'm a star. I am a big, bright, shining star.)
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To: d-informed-1

The story does seem to be getting weirder.


3 posted on 08/16/2005 10:32:42 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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To: d-informed-1

Alive doesn't mean responsive. Just means that he still had a pulse.


4 posted on 08/16/2005 10:33:52 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (The Democrat party is the official party of the Morlocks.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Agreed. But who did the f16 pilots see moving about??


5 posted on 08/16/2005 10:34:59 AM PDT by pbear8 (We've seen the photos Cindy !)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

As in "slumped over the seat".


6 posted on 08/16/2005 10:35:10 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (Be a Good Mullah Now ...)
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To: pbear8

How the heck does a black box break apart in a crash. They have worked for over 20 years without fail.

This is getting weird.


7 posted on 08/16/2005 10:37:49 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

my problem is that the voice recorder was "ejected" from its housing. i thought those things were designed to take tremendous abuse.


8 posted on 08/16/2005 10:38:02 AM PDT by d-informed-1
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To: pbear8
Agreed. But who did the f16 pilots see moving about??

Passengers trying to take control of the plane and land it? That's the most logical explanation.

BUT

I'm thinking they would have radioed the tower or signaled to the F-16's.

9 posted on 08/16/2005 10:38:06 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: d-informed-1

Man, there are so many questions surrounding this one.

Did they find the other pilot's body? The fighters (why were fighters scrambled anyway) reported seeing one pilot in the cockpit, not the other.

How common is it for those cases holding the flight recorders to pop open, and why was the data recorder sent to Paris?

The wildest thing about that article is the photo of the guy they arrested with the big cut over his eye and the caption saying he "fell" at the police station, LOL. Sure....

I guess I need to post that pic from Signs with the tin foil hats, but it sure is a bizarre series of events.

One more question for those in the "know." When Payne Stewart's plane decompressed, I remember they couldn't see in the windows. How come the fighter pilots could see in the windows of this plane if it had decompressed?


10 posted on 08/16/2005 10:39:15 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: d-informed-1

No, not anything in this article. But it's odd that initial reports from the crash site reported bodies "frozen solid". What I find more strange is reports that the plane had been on autopilot with no communication for a long time -- long enough that investigators are speculating it may have run out of fuel -- before it crashed, and the general impression I've gotten is that the fighter pilots weren't sent up to have a look until fairly shortly before the crash. Especially in the age of terrorism, and with a flight over Europe (i.e. as opposed to a transoceanic flight which is out in the middle of nowhere for a long period), shouldn't there be some system under which control towers make radio contact with pilots (or vice versa) on a fairly frequent basis, with lack of contact setting off alarms?


11 posted on 08/16/2005 10:39:22 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: d-informed-1

Unconscious from a lack of oxygen would still qualify as "alive" Keep the tinfoil hat handy but don't don it just yet


12 posted on 08/16/2005 10:39:40 AM PDT by Arkie2 (No, I never voted for Bill Clinton. I don't plan on voting Republican again!)
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To: NathanBookman
What's a fish sound like?

Ever seen Finding Nemo? Fish sound remarkably like Albert Brooks.

13 posted on 08/16/2005 10:40:17 AM PDT by Living Free in NH
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Tuesday said they had found only the exterior container of the cockpit voice recorder from the plane, hampering investigative efforts into the accident's cause.

The device's internal components were ejected from the container when the plane crashed into a mountainous region


For some reason this sound very strange ans suspicious.
14 posted on 08/16/2005 10:40:25 AM PDT by Cool Multiservice Soldier (Newer screen name, but same attitude, same political incorrectness since 1999.)
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To: d-informed-1

ALIENS DID IT! IT WAS HEADED TO AREA 51!


15 posted on 08/16/2005 10:40:56 AM PDT by Paradox (Budweiser, fighting for the Right to Keep and Beer Arms.)
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To: pbear8
Probably passenger or flight attendants.
Sounds like the pilot went back to do something. Co-pilot stayed upfront.Was the pilot trying to troubleshoot a problem? Cockpit door was then left open so access was there from the passenger area.
Maybe as plane came down in altitude some passengers regained consciousness and tried to help.
It sounds like the plane circled an area while on autopilot for awhile.
16 posted on 08/16/2005 10:40:57 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (The Democrat party is the official party of the Morlocks.)
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To: dawn53

good point, i would think the windows would be iced over.


17 posted on 08/16/2005 10:41:06 AM PDT by d-informed-1
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To: Rutles4Ever
FWIW, I've heard that one of the flight attendants was also a pilot, but surely he would have sent a distress signal it he was able.

Very strange, getting into 'Twilight Zone' territory.

18 posted on 08/16/2005 10:41:23 AM PDT by pbear8 (We've seen the photos Cindy !)
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To: Arkie2

see #8


19 posted on 08/16/2005 10:42:25 AM PDT by d-informed-1
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Sounds weird because yesterday didn’t someone report that they had recovered both voice and data recorders and were sending them to be decoded by “French experts?”

They didn’t say “exterior container” then.

Either someone made assumptions in that article, someone made statements to that reporter without knowing the facts, or perhaps they know exactly what happened and don’t want voice recording to get out.

I just re-watched “Broken Arrow” the other day. One of John Revolta’s better flicks – plus it had Howie Long in it…

Anyway, if Christian Slater hadn’t seen Dopey’s reflection in the canopy he would have been slumped over in his seat too.

20 posted on 08/16/2005 10:45:55 AM PDT by Who dat?
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