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Canada Blames Us
NRO ^ | August 19, 2005 | John R. Lott Jr.

Posted on 08/19/2005 10:33:53 AM PDT by neverdem

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Canada Blames Us

Gun-control folly here, up north, across the pond...

By John R. Lott Jr.

If you have a problem, it's often easier to blame someone else rather than deal with it. And with Canada's murder rate rising 12 percent last year and a recent rash of murders by gangs in Toronto and other cities, it's understandable that Canadian politicians want a scapegoat. That at least was the strategy Canada's premiers took when they met last Thursday with the new U.S. ambassador to Canada, David Wilkins, and spent much of their time blaming their crime problems on guns smuggled in from the United States.

Of course, there is a minor problem with the attacks on the U.S. Canadians really don't know what the facts are, and the reason is simple: Despite billions of dollars spent on the Canada's gun-registration program and the program's inability to solve crime, the government does not how many crime-guns were seized in Canada, let alone where those guns came from. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police reported in late July that they "cannot know if [the guns] were traceable or where they might have been traced." Thus, even if smuggled guns were an important problem, the Canadian government doesn't know if it is worse now than in the past.

Even in Toronto, which keeps loose track of these numbers, Paul Culver, a senior Toronto Crown Attorney, claims that guns from the U.S. are a "small part" of the problem.

There is another more serious difficulty: You don't have to live next to the United States to see how hard it is to stop criminals from getting guns. The easy part is getting law-abiding citizens to disarm; the hard part is getting the guns from criminals. Drug gangs that are firing guns in places like Toronto seem to have little trouble getting the drugs that they sell and it should not be surprising that they can get the weapons they need as well.

The experiences in the U.K. and Australia, two island nations whose borders are much easier to monitor, should also give Canadian gun controllers some pause. The British government banned handguns in 1997 but recently reported that gun crime in England and Wales nearly doubled in the four years from 1998-99 to 2002-03.

Crime was not supposed to rise after handguns were banned. Yet, since 1996 the serious-violent-crime rate has soared by 69 percent; robbery is up 45 percent, and murders up 54 percent. Before the law, armed robberies had fallen 50 percent from 1993 to 1997, but as soon as handguns were banned the robbery rate shot back up, almost to its 1993 level.

The 2000 International Crime Victimization Survey, the last survey completed, shows the violent-crime rate in England and Wales was twice the rate of that in the U.S. When the new survey for 2004 comes out later this year, that gap will undoubtedly have widened even further as crimes reported to British police have since soared by 35 percent, while those in the U.S. have declined 6 percent.

Australia has also seen its violent-crime rates soar immediately after its 1996 Port Arthur gun-control measures. Violent crime rates averaged 32-percent higher in the six years after the law was passed (from 1997 to 2002) than they did in 1995. The same comparisons for armed-robbery rates showed increases of 74 percent.

During the 1990s, just as Britain and Australia were more severely regulating guns, the U.S. was greatly liberalizing individuals' abilities to carry firearms. Thirty seven of the fifty states now have so-called right-to-carry laws that let law-abiding adults carry concealed handguns after passing a criminal background check and paying a fee. Only half the states require some training, usually around three to five hours. Yet crime has fallen even faster in these states than the national average. Overall, the states in the U.S. that have experienced the fastest growth rates in gun ownership during the 1990s have experienced the biggest drops in murders and other violent crimes.

Many things affect crime: The rise of drug-gang violence in Canada and Britain is an important part of the story, just as it has long been important in explaining the U.S.'s rates. (Few Canadians appreciate that 70 percent of American murders take place in just 3.5 percent of our counties, and that a large percentage of those are drug-gang related.) Just as these gangs can smuggle drugs into the country, they can smuggle in weapons to defend their turf.

With Canada's reported violent-crime rate of 963 per 100,000 in 2003, a rate about twice the U.S.'s (which is 475), Canada's politicians are understandably nervous.

While it is always easier to blame another for your problems, the solution to crime is often homegrown.

John Lott, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, is the author of More Guns, Less Crime (University of Chicago Press, 2000) and The Bias Against Guns" (Regnery 2003).


 

 
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Comment #41 Removed by Moderator

To: neverdem
Yeah, all this whining and bleating from Canadian sheep never seems to stop them from vacationing here in Florida or taking their kids to our amusement parks and shopping in our stores and staying in our big crime ridden cities....But they sure are eager to stick their socialist collectivist noses into our politics....
42 posted on 08/19/2005 12:39:33 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Undertow

They are a sick, violent nation, and I am sure they murder the indigenous peoples for profit or sport.
Oh, wait, that's just Quebec.


43 posted on 08/19/2005 12:53:58 PM PDT by steve8714
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To: neverdem
What this and other articles fail to mention is, that the shootings are being done by Jamaican drug dealers killing each other and innocent bystanders in the fight for territory. Everyone knows the rest of the people in Toronto are homosexuals who prefer knives over guns.
44 posted on 08/19/2005 1:01:12 PM PDT by free_life
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To: advance_copy
Canmore Alberta, Street gang.

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45 posted on 08/19/2005 1:01:19 PM PDT by concrete is my business (Can ever thy Valor be mine?)
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To: DBrow

Most firearms are rifles...I have 2 rifles and a shotgun, zero pistols.

most crimes like this are committed with handguns by criminals, they kill people in or around the criminal sub culture with an occasional outsider getting killed...

it's a criminal problem, not a gun problem...

back home most crimes were committed within the subculture with knives, machetes or blunt trauma ie bat or crow bar...

Most people outside mega cities in Canada have legitimate reasons for firearms, with a lot of the population living up north, a firearm is a must have.

they need to drop the ridiculous registration and restrictions on firearms ownership...

This Canadian will admit it is a Canadian problem and I blame only the liberal elitists for creating it in the first place...

It has nothing to do with the USA...


46 posted on 08/19/2005 2:35:39 PM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: Grand Voyageur
A friend is not someone who tries to undermine us while batting their eyes at us to our face. You want to be our friend? STOP trying to dismantle our Constitution by supporting an involuntary international agreement that seeks to unilaterally disarm us! Stop beating us up for the war while letting terrorists through your borders! Stop teaching your youth that we are the great enemy to your south.
48 posted on 08/19/2005 3:21:28 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: EveningStar

South Park Republicans sing with me.....BLAME CANADA!!!


49 posted on 08/19/2005 3:41:01 PM PDT by Feiny (Posting without spell checking for 5 years now.)
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To: ExSoldier
Who said anything about Canadians dismantling your Constitution. All the premiers were doing is showing some concern over the number of weapons crossing the border....which IS a problem. It's a problem that is Canada's responsibility to address but has nothing to do with the US Constitution. Besides, no where in the US Constitution does is say anything about owning firearms without registering them.

Also, how many terrorists are coming through the border?? None of the 911 hijackers did. I keep hearing this dribble but see no real evidence.
51 posted on 08/19/2005 4:18:05 PM PDT by recce guy
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To: recce guy; neverdem; Godzilla; Oorang; Shooter 2.5; Travis McGee; Squantos; Cindy; ...
Canadian TROLL alert. You guys are going to love this one! Well, recce, not you but since you've only been registered less than a month, it's okay.

RECCE GUY'S comment: Who said anything about Canadians dismantling your Constitution. All the premiers were doing is showing some concern over the number of weapons crossing the border....which IS a problem. It's a problem that is Canada's responsibility to address but has nothing to do with the US Constitution. Besides, no where in the US Constitution does is say anything about owning firearms without registering them. Also, how many terrorists are coming through the border?? None of the 911 hijackers did. I keep hearing this dribble but see no real evidence.

Recce guy, I hope you got fire proof jammies on....

53 posted on 08/19/2005 4:31:36 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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BLAME CANADA!

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54 posted on 08/19/2005 4:38:24 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: feinswinesuksass

Sheila: Time's have changed
Our kids are kids are getting worse
They wont obey their parents
They just want to fart and curse!
Sharon: Should we blame the government?
Liane: Or blame society?
Dads: Or should we blame the images on TV?
Sheila: No, blame Canada
Everyone: Blame Canada
Sheila: With all their beady little eyes
And flappin heads so full of lies
Everyone: Blame Canada
Blame Canada
Sheila: We need to form a full assault
Everyone: It's Canadas fault!
Sharon: Don't blame me
For my son Stan
He saw the darn cartoon
And now he's off to join the Klan!
Liane: And my boy Eric once
Had my picture on his shelf
But now when I see him he tells me to fuck myself!
Sheila: Well, blame Canada
Everyone: Blame Canada
It seems that everythings gone wrong
Since Canada came along
Everyone: Blame Canada
Blame Canada
Some Guy: There not even a real country anyway
Ms. McCormick: My son could've been a doctor or a lawyer it's true
Instead he burned up like a piggy on a barbecue
Everyone: Should we blame the matches?
Should we blame the fire?
Or the doctors who allowed him to expire?
Sheila: Heck no!
Everyone: Blame Canada
Blame Canada
Sheila: With all their hockey hubbabaloo
Liane: And that bitch Anne Murray too
Everyone: Blame Canada
Shame on Canada
The smut we must stop
The trash we must smash
Laughter and fun
must all be undone
We must blame them and cause a fuss
Before someone thinks of blaming uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus


55 posted on 08/19/2005 4:41:12 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: ExSoldier
Recce guy, I hope you got fire proof jammies on....

I'm waiting....let er rip.
56 posted on 08/19/2005 4:47:54 PM PDT by recce guy
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To: neverdem

Go ahead. Come and take it.


57 posted on 08/19/2005 4:48:42 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (If you think you're having a bad day, try crucifixtion.)
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To: EveningStar

F*%K Canada


58 posted on 08/19/2005 4:57:42 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (If you think you're having a bad day, try crucifixtion.)
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To: feinswinesuksass
blame Canada, blame Canada........(singing along)


ah, poor Toronto. just like DC, the more liberal you get, the bigger pile of your own sh!t you live in. then you blame the evil Conservatives for your self made problems.

thought of the day,

guns don't kill people, liberal politics kill people.
59 posted on 08/19/2005 4:58:10 PM PDT by postaldave (dont ask me, i'm just a simple post birth, tissue mass.)
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To: goldstategop
Liberalism never does..............make anyone safer. In fact, the opposite is true; After all, they don't believe in self control of any kind, or discipline, never mind self discipline.
60 posted on 08/19/2005 5:00:02 PM PDT by gidget7 (Get GLSEN out of our schools!!!!!!)
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