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Navy Officer Affirms Assertions About Pre-9/11 Data on Atta
NY Times ^ | August 22, 2005 | PHILIP SHENON

Posted on 08/22/2005 4:13:55 PM PDT by neverdem

WASHINGTON, Aug. 22 - An active-duty Navy captain has become the second military officer to come forward publicly to say that a secret defense intelligence program tagged the ringleader of the Sept. 11 attacks as a possible terrorist more than a year before the attacks.

The officer, Scott J. Phillpott, said in a statement today that he could not discuss details of the military program, which was called Able Danger, but confirmed that its analysts had identified the Sept. 11 ringleader, Mohamed Atta, by name by early 2000. "My story is consistent," said Captain Phillpott, who managed the program for the Pentagon's Special Operations Command. "Atta was identified by Able Danger by January-February of 2000."

His comments came on the same day that the Pentagon's chief spokesman, Lawrence Di Rita, told reporters that the Defense Department had been unable to validate the assertions made by an Army intelligence veteran, Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, and now backed up by Captain Phillpott, about the early identification of Mr. Atta.

Colonel Shaffer went public with his assertions last week, saying that analysts in the intelligence project had been overruled by military lawyers when they tried to share the program's findings with the Federal Bureau of Investigation in 2000 in hope of tracking down terror suspects tied to Al Qaeda.

Mr. Di Rita said in an interview that while the department continued to investigate the assertions, there was no evidence so far that the intelligence unit had come up with such specific information about Mr. Atta and any of the other hijackers.

He said that while Colonel Shaffer and Captain Phillpott were respected military officers whose accounts were taken seriously, "thus far we've not been able to uncover what these people said they saw - memory is a complicated thing."

The statement from Captain...

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; 911commission; abledanger; anthonyshaffer; atta; coverup; defensedepartment; mohammedatta; phillpott; scottjphillpott; scottphillpott; terrorism; whitewash
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1 posted on 08/22/2005 4:13:55 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Hope this story hangs in there. Something happened and we have a right to know.I tend to believe the Lt. Col.I don't tend to trust bureaucrats.


2 posted on 08/22/2005 4:16:00 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: neverdem

Wow.


3 posted on 08/22/2005 4:16:13 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: oceanview; small voice in the wilderness

Another voice is heard...


4 posted on 08/22/2005 4:16:20 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Mo1; radioproducer

ping a ling a ding dong!


5 posted on 08/22/2005 4:17:21 PM PDT by tiredoflaundry (9-11 Commission - The largest CYA Operation in history!)
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To: neverdem

The big question is, why is the New York Times printing stories that may prove immensely damaging to their politics? It's totally out of character.


6 posted on 08/22/2005 4:17:39 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Hey Senator! Leave those kids alone!)
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To: neverdem

Who cares? What does Cindy Sheehan have to say about this?

That is what matters.


7 posted on 08/22/2005 4:17:54 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache ("Scientology is dangerous stuff,it's like forming a religion based around Johnny Quest and Haji.")
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

Thanks to documentaries like NGC's "Inside 9-11", this story isn't going away. With yet another source, and the inevitable Weldon hearings, this story has legs.


8 posted on 08/22/2005 4:20:30 PM PDT by sono
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To: My Favorite Headache

bttt


9 posted on 08/22/2005 4:20:40 PM PDT by Guenevere (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more deaths than there have been soldiers killed in Iraq.)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Representative Weldon also arranged an interview with a former employee of a defense contractor who said he had helped create a chart in 2000 for the intelligence program that included Mr. Atta's photograph and name. The former contractor, James D. Smith, said that Mr. Atta's name and photograph were obtained through a private researcher in California who was paid to gather the information from contacts in the Middle East. Mr. Smith said that he had retained a copy of the chart for some time and that it had been posted on his office wall at Andrews Air Force Base. He said it had become stuck to the wall and was impossible to remove when he switched jobs.
10 posted on 08/22/2005 4:21:12 PM PDT by Dog
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To: thoughtomator
The big question is, why is the New York Times printing stories that may prove immensely damaging to their politics? It's totally out of character.

You'r assuming that they don't want to redeem their reputation. Money talks!

11 posted on 08/22/2005 4:21:37 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
"Mr. Di Rita said in an interview that while the department continued to investigate the assertions, there was no evidence so far that the intelligence unit had come up with such specific information about Mr. Atta and any of the other hijackers.

Hmmm, lets see, they seem to have known the name of this Atta insect a full year before he managed to pull off the single worst atrocity ever commit ed against the American people but this doesn't seem to constitute "proof" in Mr. Di Rita's vacuous little head. Simply amazing.

"He said that while Colonel Shaffer and Captain Phillpott were respected military officers whose accounts were taken seriously, "thus far we've not been able to uncover what these people said they saw - memory is a complicated thing."

This statement is simply too asinine to comment on.

12 posted on 08/22/2005 4:22:27 PM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: neverdem
If they do want to redeem their reputation, this story is the only data point on the chart.
13 posted on 08/22/2005 4:23:27 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Hey Senator! Leave those kids alone!)
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To: neverdem

They aren't going to be able to unscramble an egg soon. I believe it's reached a point to where the genie can't be put back into the bottle. It's growing daily.


14 posted on 08/22/2005 4:23:39 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: neverdem

This is an active duty captain? I think he can forget about ever getting those stars on his collar.


15 posted on 08/22/2005 4:25:40 PM PDT by navyblue
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To: neverdem
This is so normal in a bureaucracy that is 100 layers deep.

Why is anyone surprised. Every layer and every player has an agenda.
16 posted on 08/22/2005 4:25:49 PM PDT by Beckwith (The liberal press has picked sides ... and they have sided with the Islamofascists)
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To: neverdem; swarthyguy; Thud; Fedora; gaspar; Allan; Mitchell

"My story is consistent"

Interesting. does he think others' stories aren't?

"The former contractor, James D. Smith, said that Mr. Atta's name and photograph were obtained through a private researcher in California who was paid to gather the information from contacts in the Middle East."

Doesn't sound much like data mining, but old fashioned-humint.

"Mr. Smith said that he had retained a copy of the chart for some time and that it had been posted on his office wall at Andrews Air Force Base. He said it had become stuck to the wall and was impossible to remove when he switched jobs."

Oh yeah, the old "sticky wall" excuse. He should have just said he didn't think to take it. Instead he creates a story where no poster will be found on his old wall, therefore there was a conspiracy.

Weak stuff.


17 posted on 08/22/2005 4:26:14 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: lexington minuteman 1775; neverdem; dighton; JeanS

Smart. I remember hearing Rep. Weldon say there were a dozen of these folks lined up - not necessarily all willing to go public, but there are quite a few sources form which to draw info/corroboration.


18 posted on 08/22/2005 4:27:39 PM PDT by Coop (www.heroesandtraitors.org)
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To: Cautor

ping!


19 posted on 08/22/2005 4:28:05 PM PDT by RDTF
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To: sono
Thanks to documentaries like NGC's "Inside 9-11",

How was that, by the way?

20 posted on 08/22/2005 4:29:46 PM PDT by Coop (www.heroesandtraitors.org)
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To: neverdem

cover-up bump


21 posted on 08/22/2005 4:29:54 PM PDT by prognostigaator
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To: neverdem

Remember Hilary on MSM news...... "What did this President know, and when did he know it?". I so want her face rubbed in her own s&%t!


22 posted on 08/22/2005 4:31:13 PM PDT by Just Lori (Ok, tag! Now you're it!)
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To: neverdem

Shaffer, an Army reservist, has been on paid administrative leave for the past 16 months, Zaid said. He was an active Army major during his involvement with Able Danger, Zaid said.

Several defense officials on Wednesday identified the Navy officer as Capt. Scott Phillpott. They discussed matters related to Able Danger only on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the program and the investigation into it.

A Navy spokesman said Phillpott was declining requests to speak with reporters.

Phillpott is now assigned as a Navy staff officer with a program called "Deep Blue," which is developing futuristic concepts for naval warfare, officials said.


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Phillpott is the Navy official who approached the 9/11 commission's Dieter Snell in July 2004 and said that he had briefly seen a chart that showed AD had ID'd Atta a year in advance of the attacks


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23 posted on 08/22/2005 4:32:18 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Coop

Excellent ... Pt 1 is being rebroadcast now!


24 posted on 08/22/2005 4:33:12 PM PDT by sono
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To: neverdem

"Mr. Di Rita said in an interview that while the department continued to investigate the assertions, there was no evidence so far that the intelligence unit had come up with such specific information about Mr. Atta and any of the other hijackers."

now that all the documents have been destroyed there is no evidence. These 2 guys better be careful they don't get destroyed. Me, I'm just watching my old X-files tapes.


25 posted on 08/22/2005 4:34:48 PM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

I'm sure hoping that someone, somewhere kept copies of the (oh, what a surprise) missing documents.


26 posted on 08/22/2005 4:36:12 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Coop

"Smart. I remember hearing Rep. Weldon say there were a dozen of these folks lined up - not necessarily all willing to go public, but there are quite a few sources form which to draw info/corroboration."

good memory. now I remember too.


27 posted on 08/22/2005 4:36:20 PM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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To: RDTF

This is the proverbial tipping point. With two career officers coming out on this, it can not be ignored. They may be slimmed; but I believe, like the Swift Boat Vets, this NOW has legs, and will go on. Especially if a few more officers offer verification. Moreoever, in my opinion, Gorelick is toast and Clinton's legacy will be forever tarnished with this (even though it was not much to begin with)

If the dots are ever, ever connected (and published by "respected" historians), and those dots connect any coverup by Clinton of any Chinese fundraising with the "Wall," then you have a scandal the likes which this country has never seen. The ghost of Benedict Arnold will certainly appreciate his name no longer being used as THE benchmark for betraying one's country.


28 posted on 08/22/2005 4:37:21 PM PDT by disraeligears
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To: neverdem

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29 posted on 08/22/2005 4:38:10 PM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: neverdem

WOO WOO WOO!!!

The storm is building..... even the NY Times has taken notice.... how long can the Clintonistas keep the scandal under control??


30 posted on 08/22/2005 4:40:29 PM PDT by Enchante (Kerry's mere nuisances: Marine Barracks '83, WTC '93, Khobar Towers, Embassy Bombs '98, USS Cole!!!)
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To: longfellow

"KLINTON KNEW"

Knew what? It was known under both the Clinton and Bush II admins that some of the 9/11 terrorists were potential threats, but not Atta.

All this Able Danger stuff adds is a govt. agency that had the name Atta. Maybe.

That's it. And Weldon trying to sell something.


31 posted on 08/22/2005 4:43:52 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy

he knew there were terrorists in this country that wanted to fly planes into buildings since 96. "Dereliction of Duty"


32 posted on 08/22/2005 4:48:55 PM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: Shermy

If that's all that was involved, I'd agree with you that it's not much except 20/20 hindsight and a darned shame. But the part that I find VERY troubling is the 9/11 Commission's OMISSION, its changing stories, Jamie Gorelick's role on that joke of a commission, and Sandy Burglar's criminal behavior (which may or may not be related).


33 posted on 08/22/2005 4:51:46 PM PDT by Coop (www.heroesandtraitors.org)
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To: Shermy

Well, at least in the battle between bureaucratic CYA and the truth, the truth appears to be winning.


34 posted on 08/22/2005 4:52:50 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: longfellow

It's funny how the Clintons are so quiet lately. Are they on some island paradise dancing by the beach for reporters, or is the senatrix throwing table lamps at Bill's head right about now? No doubt, they're planning their next round of lies and coverups.


35 posted on 08/22/2005 4:55:10 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (Undocumented border patrol agent.)
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To: Desron13; Shermy
"With his comments today, Captain Phillpott acknowledged that he was the officer who had briefed the commission last year. "I will not discuss the issues outside of my chain of command and the Department of Defense," he said. "But my story is consistent. Atta was identified by Able Danger in January-February of 2000. I have nothing else to say.""

Whether it was from data-mining or "old-fashioned HUMINT" this is a key point: if there are indeed several other officers ready to confirm this, then the story should move forward and is highly significant. Its importance comes from the putative fact that Col. Shaffer says they tried 3 TIMES to share the info with the FBI and were thwarted by idiot liberal lawyers. Sure, there could be lots of info buried in layers of bureaucracy and files, but if policies and/or personnel from the Clintonlites stopped info on Atta and terror cells from getting to the FBI then that is highly significant. Of course, the FBI might have bungled things at that point, but that's a separate issue (and the FBI did do some things right in terrorism investigations, especially when someone like John O'Neill got ahold of something).

p.s. It may well be that Atta's name came from "old-fashioned HUMINT" and that then it became possible to correlate other names and places via data-mining.....there shouldn't be any rule or law against using data-mining to expand the circles of info from a name gained by other means.
36 posted on 08/22/2005 4:55:27 PM PDT by Enchante (Kerry's mere nuisances: Marine Barracks '83, WTC '93, Khobar Towers, Embassy Bombs '98, USS Cole!!!)
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To: tiredoflaundry; radioproducer

I worry that your ping-a-ling to radio producer will do any good for 2 WEEKS....arggghh

I know if John Gibson subbed, he would talk about it..but anyone else is iffy.


37 posted on 08/22/2005 4:59:34 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: Desron13

You must break out your Clintonese dictionary. :-)


38 posted on 08/22/2005 4:59:51 PM PDT by JediForce (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: Txsleuth

but Gibby will be subbing at one point! :-)


39 posted on 08/22/2005 5:00:42 PM PDT by tiredoflaundry (9-11 Commission - The largest CYA Operation in history!)
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To: thoughtomator
The big question is, why is the New York Times printing stories that may prove immensely damaging to their politics? It's totally out of character.

True ... however, every two decades or so the NY Times comes thru with the whole story, in a more, or, less unbiased fashion. I applaud the NY Times for doing the right thing this time ...

40 posted on 08/22/2005 5:02:44 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Dog

slade gordon on OReilly now trashing Shaffer.


41 posted on 08/22/2005 5:05:27 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

".I tend to believe the Lt. Col.I don't tend to trust bureaucrats."

That needs to be repeated.

The weiny politicized people there will be much more likely to throw someone (on the ground, in the field etc.) overboard.

They don't want to burn bridges when the 2008 elections happen and they have a new boss.


42 posted on 08/22/2005 5:06:45 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (The Democrat party is the official party of the Morlocks.)
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To: oceanview

Are you shocked?


43 posted on 08/22/2005 5:07:02 PM PDT by Dog
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To: oceanview

OReilly going toe to toe with Gordon over Gorelick. Gordon is total scum.


44 posted on 08/22/2005 5:07:53 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: popdonnelly

O'Reilly has on Slade Gordon right now...and Gordon says that Schaeffer is not telling the truth about telling their staffers about Atta....and that now the woman that schaeffer refers to is saying she doesn't know what he is talking about...

First he said that the defense dept told them they knew about AD, but not about Atta...now he is saying DOD is denying any knowledge of what Schaeffer is saying..

BTW, O'Reilly tapes early so there is no mention of this new witness..


45 posted on 08/22/2005 5:08:10 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: Dog

no.

but I can fake it.


46 posted on 08/22/2005 5:08:18 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview

Slade Gordon is a pitiful weasel RINO like Kean.... the only member of the 9/11 O-MISSION I trust even slightly is Lehman, and that trust will evaporate if he doesn't force this issue to the max......


47 posted on 08/22/2005 5:09:03 PM PDT by Enchante (Kerry's mere nuisances: Marine Barracks '83, WTC '93, Khobar Towers, Embassy Bombs '98, USS Cole!!!)
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To: navyblue
This is an active duty captain? I think he can forget about ever getting those stars on his collar.

For an honorable man, there are things more important than those stars. I trust you agree.

48 posted on 08/22/2005 5:09:09 PM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; King Prout; ..

From time to time, I’ll ping on noteworthy articles about politics, foreign and military affairs. FReepmail me if you want on or off my list.


49 posted on 08/22/2005 5:09:36 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Coop

That's the point.

The omission of Able Danger makes the 9/11 Commission report a better paperweight than the Warren Commission report.


50 posted on 08/22/2005 5:09:44 PM PDT by leadpenny
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