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Police to destroy old Remington firearms (New Zealand)
The New Zealand Herald ^ | 24.08.05 | Elizabeth Binning

Posted on 08/24/2005 8:42:18 AM PDT by neverdem

Police will destroy $200,000 worth of firearms when they upgrade to semi-automatics because of a UN convention designed to prevent the illicit trade of weapons.

During the next 12 months police will spend $3 million replacing 880 Remington rifles with semi-automatics.

NZ First MP Ron Mark, and the Sporting Shooters Association have criticised the decision to destroy the Remingtons, saying it's a "politically correct move" that wastes taxpayers' money.

However, police say they have no choice because New Zealand, as a member of the United Nations, is compelled to abide by a convention designed to control firearm numbers and prevent illegal trade in them.

"This convention does not have force of law in New Zealand but it can be expected that New Zealand agencies will comply with it where they can," said National Operations manager Superintendent Tony McLeod.

Mr McLeod said even if police sold the Remingtons to licensed dealers they might get less than $200,000 for them - an amount that wouldn't cover the cost of the upgrade.

Sporting Shooters spokesman John Dyer said most of the Remingtons would be in pristine condition, as they were rarely used and well maintained, and would fetch a good price.

Mr Dyer said last time police upgraded weapons they sold their stock to a licensed gunstore in Auckland. Other organisations like the Army had sold firearms overseas where they got better returns.

He could not understand why things had changed, especially when police were in need of funds.

"The question is when police say they have to send a taxi to the Iraena Asher case because they haven't got enough staff on, well $200,000 would have meant perhaps another few officers on that night."

Mr Dyer said the rifles were not military-style weapons and were unlikely to end up in hotspots.

"Why are we slavishly destroying them? To make sure that somehow this is of some benefit to situations like Rwanda? The answer is it wouldn't make the blindest bit of difference."

NZ First law and order spokesman Ron Mark said the convention was not yet law here so there was no reason the rifles couldn't be sold to licensed dealers. "It's politically correct claptrap, the police are bowing to political pressure."

Remingtons, which are mainly used for shooting pests such as deer, are sold at licensed gun shops around the country and are legally imported.

"Where is the illicit trafficking in selling to licensed dealers. There is none," said Mr Marks.

"The Programme of Action to Prevent, Combat and Irradiate the illicit trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons in all its Aspects" convention was ratified in New York in 2001.

The weapon

* Remington rifles are used by hunters and sold at licensed stores around the country.

* It is estimated licensed dealers would be able to sell police Remingtons for around $600 each, with an additional $400 to $500 for those that have scopes and mounts.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: banglist; un; unfailures; unitednations; usoutofun
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1 posted on 08/24/2005 8:42:19 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

When is someone, whether in New Zealand, the US, the UK or wherever, gonna stand up and say "F--k you!" to the UN???


2 posted on 08/24/2005 8:44:12 AM PDT by RockinRight (Democrats - Trying to make an a$$ out of America since 1933)
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To: neverdem
Remington rifles

Probably Model 700s. .....a tragedy.

...and as was mentioned, a politically-correct-driven decision.

3 posted on 08/24/2005 8:48:32 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: neverdem

At least they have stopped propagating the specious "worn-out" excuse that I had seen before for destroying these bolt action rifles.


4 posted on 08/24/2005 8:51:23 AM PDT by snowsislander (NRA)
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To: neverdem

This decision is criminal misuse of firearms.


5 posted on 08/24/2005 8:57:49 AM PDT by Disambiguator (Making accusations of racism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.)
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To: neverdem

Quoting from the late (and great) Geoffrey Boothroyd, British expert on firearms, "Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians."


6 posted on 08/24/2005 9:03:35 AM PDT by Stevenc131
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* It is estimated licensed dealers would be able to sell police Remingtons for around $600 each, with an additional $400 to $500 for those that have scopes and mounts

They are dreaming. Locally, I can buy a 700 used, but good condition with scope anywhere from $400 to 600, with scope

7 posted on 08/24/2005 9:04:38 AM PDT by oyez
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To: neverdem

A UN convention, purportedly to promote gun safety, that requires governments to shoot themselves in the foot. How ironic.


8 posted on 08/24/2005 9:04:56 AM PDT by Spok (Est omnis de civilitate.)
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9 posted on 08/24/2005 9:05:18 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: RockinRight

"When is someone, whether in New Zealand, the US, the UK or wherever, gonna stand up and say "F--k you!" to the UN???"

I believe Mr Bolton will be handling that assignment.


10 posted on 08/24/2005 9:06:08 AM PDT by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate their country. Islam is a terrorist organization.)
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To: neverdem

NOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo!!!


11 posted on 08/24/2005 9:08:15 AM PDT by colorcountry (Where I come from, deeds mean a lot more than words. .....Zell Miller)
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To: neverdem
Mr McLeod said even if police sold the Remingtons to licensed dealers they might get less than $200,000 for them - an amount that wouldn't cover the cost of the upgrade.

What?! So, it's better to get nothing? They feel compelled because they're a kowtowing member of the UN, not because they can't finance an upgrade by selling their existing equipment.
12 posted on 08/24/2005 9:10:45 AM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: oyez
They are dreaming.

It is New Zealand; they're bound to be more spendy.
13 posted on 08/24/2005 9:12:24 AM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: neverdem

$3400 per replacement rifle in direct cost plus the loss on the old rifles.

It is always so easy to spend someone else's money.


14 posted on 08/24/2005 9:15:11 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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When is someone, whether in New Zealand, the US, the UK or wherever, gonna stand up and say "F--k you!" to the UN???

When there is a mushroom cloud over Manhattan. Not before.

15 posted on 08/24/2005 9:15:52 AM PDT by elbucko
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$3400 per replacement rifle in direct cost plus the loss on the old rifles.

It is always so easy to spend someone else's money.


16 posted on 08/24/2005 9:16:22 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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To: Stevenc131
"Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians."

Very well said.

17 posted on 08/24/2005 9:18:03 AM PDT by elbucko
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To: oyez
They're probably pricing in New Zealand dollars. 1 New Zealand dollar = 70 real American cents.
18 posted on 08/24/2005 9:18:46 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Bork should have had Kennedy's USSC seat and Kelo v. New London would have gone the other way.)
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To: oyez

Current exchange rate $NZ 600 = $US 420


19 posted on 08/24/2005 9:19:01 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Can a Book establish a moral code, just because a bright-eyed attention-seeker does good deeds?)
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To: neverdem
However, police say they have no choice because New Zealand, as a member of the United Nations, is compelled to abide by a convention designed to control firearm numbers and prevent illegal trade in them.

Get the US out of the UN. It is in conflict with our Constitution.

20 posted on 08/24/2005 9:19:33 AM PDT by weegee (The Rovebaiting by DUAC must stop. It is nothing but a partisan witchhunt.)
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