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Danforth concerned Republicans too closely tied to religious right
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Posted on 08/26/2005 5:27:21 PM PDT by lunarbicep

ST. LOUIS - Retired Republican Sen. John Danforth expressed concern Thursday that his party is too closely aligned with the religious right.

Danforth, 68, who represented Missouri for three terms in the Senate and resigned earlier this year as U.N. ambassador, spoke during a lunch sponsored by the St. Louis chapter of the Log Cabin Republicans, a national gay Republican group.

Also an ordained Episcopal minister, Danforth told the group that he believes marriage is only between a man and a woman.

"On the question of civil unions, I believe that we should attempt to work out some kind of method of honoring, respecting and realizing the rights of committed people without calling it marriage," he said.

Danforth said concerns of conservative Christians, like the high divorce rate and family disintegration, deserve attention, but added, "There is something about a political party adopting a particular religious agenda, a sectarian religious agenda, as its own, that is divisive.

"The purpose of American government, the purpose of our Constitution, is to hold together all kinds of diverse interests in one country," Danforth said.

Danforth's comments echoed those he has made in recent op-ed pieces. He said he has heard back from people, including many Democrats, who share similar concerns.

Danforth said he remains a committed Republican and believes the Democrats are "floundering right now.

"The only thing that holds them together is that they hate George Bush. That's the only thing they're for," he said.

Danforth said the issue of same-sex relationships should not be locked into the Constitution because it is "a matter of community values and social values and needs to be worked out in society."

Images of dozens of same-sex couples racing down courthouse steps in front of television cameras looked wrong, because "it didn't look like anything is being honored," he said.

After Danforth's remarks, several Republicans said they agreed with his point of view.

"The Republican party needs this particular voice heard," said Log Cabin member Bill Jenkins, 45, of Kirkwood.

Gail Elble, 55, of St. Louis, a Democrat who has been in a committed relationship for more than two decades, spoke about how she would like her partner to be able to receive her benefits if Elble should die. She found his speech bigoted against any marriage that didn't fit his own mold of what it should be.

"I don't believe he offered any solutions," said Elble, president of the Gateway Stonewall Democrats, the local branch of a gay Democratic organization.

Danforth left the Senate in 1994. He acted as special counsel leading the 1999 investigation into the 1993 siege at the Branch Davidian complex in Waco, Texas.

President Bush also appointed Danforth as special envoy to Sudan to mediate peace in the civil war. He was named ambassador to the U.N. in 2004.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: christianvote; gop; homosexualagenda; johndanforth; logcabinrepublicans
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1 posted on 08/26/2005 5:27:58 PM PDT by lunarbicep
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To: lunarbicep
John Danforth wants to be loved by the media and liberals. So he spends his time attacking social conservatives to win their affection. Good riddance - we need a RINO like him like we need enemies.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
2 posted on 08/26/2005 5:31:19 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: lunarbicep
Danforth said ..., "There is something about a political party adopting a particular religious agenda, a sectarian religious agenda, as its own, that is divisive

Excuse me? I was not aware that any political party ran its agenda past any particulat religous group. I, as a Christian, have a right and even an obligation to do what I can to sway my government to making proper laws. Yes, proper by my definition. I hope that my definition of what is proper is also Biblical. Just because the RATS are finding that Christians aren't becoming integrated in their party is no reason that Christians can't be active in any other party.

I'm glad Danforth is retired. With statements like this, I suspect he's a RINO.

3 posted on 08/26/2005 5:33:08 PM PDT by Jemian (It's better to be historically accurate than politically correct.)
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To: lunarbicep
Retired Republican Sen. John Danforth . . .

Is this the same John Danforth who whitewashed Waco? Fortunately, Missouri has two senators of whom they can be proud now.

4 posted on 08/26/2005 5:33:16 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: lunarbicep
Well, the ties to the Religious Right are the only thing keeping the Republican Party of 2005 from massive political dominance. They are also the only thing keeping the Republican Party of 2005 from morphing into the Democratic Party of 1964 - now that the Republicans have thrown all vestiges of small government libertarianism over the side.

So, Mr. Danforth, what difference does it make?

5 posted on 08/26/2005 5:33:47 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Feelings are not a tool of cognition, therefore they are not a criterion of morality." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: lunarbicep
Mr. Danforth, the GOP isn't too closely tied to the religious right. We ARE the religious right.

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6 posted on 08/26/2005 5:34:11 PM PDT by DuckFan4ever (Texas: Please provide another cowboy for '08. Same qualities as the last one.)
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To: lunarbicep

My list of media whores gets longer by the hour.


7 posted on 08/26/2005 5:36:13 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: goldstategop

This does not sound like the Senator Danforth many of us Missourians knew and respected for years - and helped get Thomas confirmed to the SCOTUS.


8 posted on 08/26/2005 5:36:25 PM PDT by BoBToMatoE
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To: Mr. Jeeves
According to the Gospel Of Danforth, its OK for the Left to promote secular and humanist values in the public square. But its a hideous transgression of constitutional limits and pluralistic ideals for Christians to promote biblical principles in said public square. I'm sick and tired of the hypocrisy from blabbermouths like Danforth.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
9 posted on 08/26/2005 5:36:53 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Vigilanteman
Is this the same John Danforth who whitewashed Waco?

Yes, that's him. My thoughts exactly, and immediately. He disgraced himself by being a submissive lapdog for Clinton-Reno at a time when we really needed him.

10 posted on 08/26/2005 5:38:04 PM PDT by NewLand (Posting against liberalism since the 20th century!)
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To: Jemian

They act like they don't need us or want us. We should sit out a couple of elections of voting for their lesser of two evils.


11 posted on 08/26/2005 5:39:22 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: BoBToMatoE
He "evolved" - when you live in Washington too long, to be invited to the right parties and schmooze with the famous, you have to compromise your principles. I'm astonished any one remains a conservative for long in that liberal town. Let's put it this way: the Beltway is NOT representative of the country's thinking. To put it in more pithy terms, Danforth succumbed to the disease known as Beltwaytitis.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
12 posted on 08/26/2005 5:39:44 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Vigilanteman
the same John Danforth who whitewashed Waco

The senate (and many ex-senators) are as corrupt as the day is long.

13 posted on 08/26/2005 5:41:03 PM PDT by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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To: Luke21

He's retired and doesn't count anymore. We need to make our presence felt even more and totally shut people like him up!


14 posted on 08/26/2005 5:41:58 PM PDT by Jemian (It's better to be historically accurate than politically correct.)
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To: lunarbicep

That's OK....The left is too closely associated with the "Church of Hillary".

15 posted on 08/26/2005 5:42:34 PM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: lunarbicep

Dear Dan,


Bite me.


Yours Truly,


Religious Right


16 posted on 08/26/2005 5:43:12 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (I am conservative. That is NOT the same thing as Republican. Losertarians are dead to me.)
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To: Luke21

Or form another independent party and marginalize yourselves even further.


17 posted on 08/26/2005 5:43:58 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Idiots and the Internet don't mix, no matter how hard Michael Moore tries.)
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To: lunarbicep

Karl Rove figured out that a motive base of conservative Christians is one of the keys to Republican majority. The GOP can continue following that advice and keep winning elections or listen to a RINO like Danforth, whose ideas helped the Republicans to a minority status in Congress.


18 posted on 08/26/2005 5:44:18 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: lunarbicep

Danforth is an ordained Episcopal priest. Naturally, he wouldn't understand committed Christians whose faith actually impacts their lives and votes.


19 posted on 08/26/2005 5:46:08 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Vigilanteman

Yes, he is the WACO Danforth. He wants to "honor" these marriages or unions........."honor"???????????"Honor????????What to the hell is he thinking about. He is supposed to be a minister of the gospel in addition to being a liberal republican......Honor.....that is the word the chose.


20 posted on 08/26/2005 5:46:48 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: lunarbicep
"On the question of civil unions, I believe that we should attempt to work out some kind of method of honoring, respecting and realizing the rights of committed people without calling it marriage," he said.

How about a scheme to get the benefits of married people without the sacrifice.

21 posted on 08/26/2005 5:48:16 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Texas Songwriter

.........."he chose". mispelled. sorry.


22 posted on 08/26/2005 5:48:47 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: lunarbicep
What makes this even more curious is that Danforth is an ordained minister (Presbyterian I think).
His family has always held strong religious views and donated a chapel to each of the universities of Missouri and Kansas.

The Danforths were the founders of Ralston Purina Company of St.Louis.

23 posted on 08/26/2005 5:50:01 PM PDT by AntiBurr ("Ceterum censeo Islam esse delendam " with apologies to Cato)
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To: lunarbicep

Good riddance to this sap.


24 posted on 08/26/2005 5:54:18 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: lunarbicep
"On the question of civil unions, I believe that we should attempt to work out some kind of method of honoring, respecting and realizing the rights of committed people without calling it marriage," he said.

There is a method, Senator. It's called "legal contract."

If two people want to share ownership of a house, leave their estates to each other in their wills, or share ownership of a car or a yacht under the laws, all they have to do is get a lawyer to write it up for them.

They can, if they choose, even decide to incorporate, and own their house or other property as a corporation.

All the rest of this nonsense about gay marriage or civil unions is nothing but a subversive effort to undermine our society and impose leftist values on everyone in the name of "tolerance."

25 posted on 08/26/2005 5:55:59 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: lunarbicep
"On the question of civil unions, I believe that we should attempt to work out some kind of method of honoring, respecting and realizing the rights of committed people without calling it marriage," he said.

There is a method, Senator. It's called "legal contract."

If two people want to share ownership of a house, leave their estates to each other in their wills, or share ownership of a car or a yacht under the laws, all they have to do is get a lawyer to write it up for them.

They can, if they choose, even decide to incorporate, and own their house or other property as a corporation.

All the rest of this nonsense about gay marriage or civil unions is nothing but a subversive effort to undermine our society and impose leftist values on everyone in the name of "tolerance."

26 posted on 08/26/2005 5:56:04 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: lunarbicep
"The purpose of American government, the purpose of our Constitution, is to hold together all kinds of diverse interests in one country," Danforth said.

BS.. It is to fleece protect the flock and act pious sincerely as one does it.

27 posted on 08/26/2005 5:59:12 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: lunarbicep
Danforth was too soft for the UN...that's why Bush insisted on Bolton.

Wrong man for the wrong time for the wrong job.

28 posted on 08/26/2005 6:05:53 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: lunarbicep
Danforth and his new found friend, Christie Whitman....UGH

And in case anyone has not noticed, John McCain is also on Whiman's board of directors of her PAC

29 posted on 08/26/2005 6:20:27 PM PDT by OldFriend (MERCY TO THE GUILTY IS CRUELTY TO THE INNOCENT ~ Adam Smith)
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To: All
Danforth should be concerned excited Republicans closely tied to religious right, and demon-cRATs are tied to abortion as their Sacrament.

That would be a better title for this article.

30 posted on 08/26/2005 6:21:08 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Cindy Sheehan has ZERO for an IQ.)
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To: lunarbicep

How about concern that the left (a.k.a. Democraps) are always aligned with the enemy.


31 posted on 08/26/2005 6:23:05 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Saddam's family were WMD's - He's behind bars & his sons are DEAD!)
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To: AntiBurr
"(Presbyterian I think)."

No, he's an Episcopalian minister.

32 posted on 08/26/2005 6:23:43 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: lunarbicep

Isa 59:19

So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.


33 posted on 08/26/2005 6:26:01 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (secus acutulus exspiro ab Acheron bipes actio absol ab Acheron supplico)
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To: Jemian

"I, as a Christian, have a right and even an obligation to do what I can to sway my government to making proper laws. Yes, proper by my definition. I hope that my definition of what is proper is also Biblical."




Absolutely! What I also find amazing as a non-practicing Christian, is how the Left (and people like Danforth) take any moral "judgment" and turn it into a religious-based argument that should be dismissed.

While much morality has a basis in religious doctrine, that doesn't make all morality a religious issue. If it did, liberals should be held to the same standard for trying to enforce their morality on the rest of us.

In fact, the very foundation of their morality is based on their own religious ideals of humanism and secularism. If religion is one's personal/philosophical belief on how one should govern his/her life and relations with others...plus their Deity, than liberalism shouldn't get a pass. Instead of believing in a God, they believe in government; instead of praying to the heavens, some pray to Mother Earth. Heck, even Mussolini described Fascism as a religion.

If morality is religion, than why do liberals get special consideration for the advocacy of their religion; and if it's not, why don't Christians and others get that same consideration.


34 posted on 08/26/2005 6:31:25 PM PDT by cwb (Liberalism is the opiate of the *asses.)
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To: goldstategop; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; William Creel; MikeinIraq; SmithL; Salvation; ...

Republicans have won three consecutive elections under circumstances that didn't guarantee victory. What's the problem?


35 posted on 08/26/2005 6:50:15 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Jeanine Pirro for Senate, Hillary Clinton for Weight Watchers Spokeswoman)
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To: BulletBobCo

man in that given context and your comment, thats downright scary....


36 posted on 08/26/2005 6:53:27 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (It's called having class.....)
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To: lunarbicep

Hey Danforth:

In the immortal words of Neal Boortz:

Bite Me!


37 posted on 08/26/2005 6:56:43 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: lunarbicep

Republicans concerned that Danforth is to closely tied to the lunatic fringe of the democrat's extreme left.


38 posted on 08/26/2005 7:02:03 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (If John Roberts is unfit for this Supreme Court,-this Supreme Court is unfit for the USA.)
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To: lunarbicep
"The Republican party needs this particular voice heard," said Log Cabin member Bill Jenkins, 45, of Kirkwood.

OK, we heard him. Now let's hear him shut up and crawl back under his rock.

The left is pulling out all the tricks in it's bag to pry the GOP away from the religious right. Is that because the leftists think they're serving a noble cause by trying to separate government from religion? Don't be silly, they know that if the religious right ever breaks with the GOP the Democrats will take all the marbles in the following election, and then neither the GOP nor the religious right will be able to derail their collectivist/humanist agenda.

Those of us on the religious right need the GOP, but the GOP needs us even more. We won't shrivel up and die if the GOP turns it's back on us, but the GOP will never gain enough "moderate" votes by turning against us to even come close to replacing the millions of votes it would lose by alienating us. I just wish that more Republicans in Congress and the administration understood that well enough that they wouldn't ever allow it to happen.

39 posted on 08/26/2005 7:34:56 PM PDT by epow (Vegetarian - old Indian word for "poor shot".)
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To: lunarbicep

John Danforth has never been comfortable with the 'Religious Right'. I believe he's an Episcopal minister, and those folks just aren't that preachy about morality. They are more into 'Social Justice'.


40 posted on 08/26/2005 7:44:50 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: lunarbicep

If the Republicans feel they should distance themselves from the "religious right," I need to go shopping for a party I can support. BTW, does religious right mean someone who believes in God and the ten commandments, tries hard to maintain high morals and teach them to the children, works hard, is law abiding and wishes to be a good neighbor? Because that's what religiouis right people do that I know. It's a shame Republicans find that threatening.


41 posted on 08/26/2005 7:51:31 PM PDT by EverOnward
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To: lunarbicep
>>>>Retired Republican Sen. John Danforth expressed concern Thursday that his party is too closely aligned with the religious right.

Sounds like Danforth's long term and his short term memory are failing him. Without the religious right, AKA. religious conservatives, Reagan wouldn't have won election and reelection. Ditto for Bush43 in 2000 and 2004.

42 posted on 08/26/2005 8:02:51 PM PDT by Reagan Man (Secure the borders;punish employers who hire illegals;halt all welfare handouts to illegals.)
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To: lunarbicep
Every 2 or 3 years, this SAME type of article gets circulated by the MSM (which stands for "Marxist-Socialist Media," by the way). It basically reads as follows:
"CENTRIST REPUBLICAN X DECRIES THE INFLUENCE OF THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT ON HIS/HER PARTY"
The MSM has been publishing these boilerplate stories since Reagan got elected in 1980. EVERY single time, some R.I.N.O. says, "If this continues, the GOP will alienate most of America & become a shrinking party." Keep in mind they've been saying this since ***1980***, and since that fateful year the GOP has ***grown*** to the point where it's normal to speak of a dying DEMOCRAT party.
43 posted on 08/26/2005 8:12:11 PM PDT by TimeLord (A whale fetus is a whale; a human fetus is a blob.)
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To: lunarbicep
Read this post for a brief but informative list of the failures of John Danforth. Not surprised to see a wise person like the Goldstategop as the first to respond to this POS
44 posted on 08/26/2005 8:30:30 PM PDT by kublia khan (absolute war brings total victory)
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To: lunarbicep
Read this post for a brief but informative list of the failures of John Danforth. Not surprised to see a wise person like the Goldstategop as the first to respond to this POS
45 posted on 08/26/2005 8:30:41 PM PDT by kublia khan (absolute war brings total victory)
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To: lunarbicep
"The purpose of American government, the purpose of our Constitution, is to hold together all kinds of diverse interests in one country," Danforth said.

That would be Article VIII, Holding Together Diverse Interests.

46 posted on 08/26/2005 8:37:36 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: lunarbicep

INTREP


47 posted on 08/26/2005 9:12:12 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (The radical secularization of America is happening)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Danforth keeps acting odder and odder all the time. Did his wife just die recently ? Fortunately he is no longer holding office so that he can embarrass himself a la McCain/Hagel, et al.


48 posted on 08/27/2005 12:58:01 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (*Fightin' the system like a $2 hooker on crack*)
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To: lunarbicep

Many of us despised moderates (who voted Republican before the takeover) are also concerned that our great party is too closely aligned with the religious right.


49 posted on 08/27/2005 5:31:40 AM PDT by tkathy (Tyranny breeds terrorism. Freedom breeds peace.)
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To: tkathy
Many of us despised moderates (who voted Republican before the takeover) are also concerned that our great party is too closely aligned with the religious right.

Well, there's another party where your pro-death crowd fits in very well. Go join them. They need you.

50 posted on 08/27/2005 7:05:46 AM PDT by madprof98
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