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To: smoothsailing

Doesn't sound very convincing. I don't think there is anyone I trust anymore.


3 posted on 09/04/2005 11:41:54 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: dr_who_2; MediaMole
Chertoff said locals never told him about victims showing up at the convention center in video conference on midday Tuesday.
24 posted on 09/04/2005 11:54:12 PM PDT by endthematrix ("an ominous vacancy"...I mean, JOHN ROBERTS now fills this space!)
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To: dr_who_2; smoothsailing; Arkie2; Howlin; Travis McGee
Re: Why Didn't Louisiana Follow it's Required Emergency Plan?

Travis McGee in an earlier reply to another thread has provided the coffin and wooden stake to handle the soon to be former mayor of N O's.:

I hope that sooner or later the MSM discovers that New Orleans did have a written emergency plan to cover the evacuation of the poor, but that the idiot mayor of New Orleans ignored it, and allowed the evacuation buses to be ruined by the flood, forgotten.

The city leaders had at least two full days to use these hundreds of buses to evac the poor, exactly as their own emergency management plan called for.

Here's the southeast Louisiana evac plan supplement, most recently revised in 2000. Go to page 13, read paragraph 5. It states: 5. The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating.


48 posted on 09/04/2005 9:13:43 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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121 posted on 09/05/2005 2:39:07 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: dr_who_2
Doesn't sound very convincing. I don't think there is anyone I trust anymore.

There are several people here who think the federal government should have been sitting around watching FOX and CNN instead of focusing on the worst natural disaster to ever strike this country. Of course, those same folks seem to be totally oblivious to the fact that the entire Gulf Coast has been wiped out, don't seem to give a da*n about the millions of other folks who are suffering, haven't bothered to read the constitution (only 14 lousy pages FGS) and couldn't tell you what the 10th amendment was if their lives depended on it.

You wouldn't be one of those painfully ignorant people, would you?

148 posted on 09/05/2005 5:02:40 AM PDT by McGavin999 (Global Dumbing far more serious threat than Global Warming)
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To: dr_who_2
Doesn't sound very convincing.

What do you need to be convinced? Hidden video footage of Mayor and Governor conspiring to shift the blame? How about Chertoff saying, "May God strike me dead if I am not telling the truth?"

Many Freepers have came to the conclusion that most of the tragedy in New Orleans could have been avoided if the Mayor had implemented page 13 of the Southeast Louisiana Evacuation Plan, 2000 revision, which reads in part:

"The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating."
(See page 13, section B, part 5 of this document)

Recall that there are many hundreds, maybe thousands of New Orleans buses that are currently underwater that could have been used to evacuate the poor and disabled. Also recall that Nagin waited until virtually the last minute to order the 'mandatory-in-name-only' evacuation.

And then there was this from another post: ". . . the federal plan advises state and local emergency managers not to expect federal aid for 72 to 96 hours, and base their own preparedness efforts on the need to be self-sufficient for at least that period".

Nagin, Broussard, and other New Orleans officials are blaiming the feds big-time in hopes the Bush-hating media will not challenge the local officials on their evacuation and recovery preparation blunders.

184 posted on 09/05/2005 6:16:31 AM PDT by PhilipFreneau ("Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." -- James 4:7)
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To: dr_who_2
"Doesn't sound very convincing. I don't think there is anyone I trust anymore."

Well I will bet you all request and actions are fairly well documented. We will know soon enough. I think it's becoming clear where the fault lay. The MSM and Dems are trying to repeat the same lie over and over and hope it will become fact.
185 posted on 09/05/2005 6:17:56 AM PDT by WHBates
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To: dr_who_2

It is a fact -- Oklahoma's Lt Governor was NEVER asked by LA to help and she had to declare an emergency to send out NG there under FEMA. FEMA made the request.

But of course, you who hate Bush will never admit it wasn't the Administration's fault. :(


257 posted on 09/05/2005 7:38:58 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Allen in 2008)
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To: dr_who_2

Join the crowd. I have been that way for several years now. I don't trust much of anyone any more. I have seen, heard, and had too many lies told to me by my government, my so-called leaders, even friends. You trust in God. That is the only person I believe in any more. The rest, well, they just do to meet their own personal agenda. That is why I trust few, if any, to carry through. Sad, I know. But, way too much crap has happened.


280 posted on 09/05/2005 8:19:05 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (The Imperial Federal Government is your worst enemy! Don't give in to them!)
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To: dr_who_2

While I'm disgusted by the MSM's bald attempt to make this an ugly partisan issue with all their fingerpointing towards the Bush Administration, I'm perplexed by Chertoff's statement that he wasn't told of the problems at the Convention Center until Thursday.

Is the media twisting his words to make him seem ignorant of what we all could have seen on television? Surely he had seen it on Television, so my only guess is that he was saying that he hadn't HEARD an OFFICIAL report from Governor Blanco.

Anybody else see it this way?


303 posted on 09/05/2005 9:22:06 AM PDT by ReverendJesseJackster
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To: dr_who_2

>>I don't think there is anyone I trust anymore.<<

Amen. Government serves itself and it's cash cows first. They're not on our side.


424 posted on 09/05/2005 1:29:51 PM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow (A victor in the midst of strife)
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To: dr_who_2

You must be kidding. After watching that collection of corrupt RAT clowns you can't be serious about doubting the feds' word. Nor must you have ANY knowledge about that cesspool called Louisiana politics. It sounds completely consistent with that state's past.


588 posted on 09/06/2005 2:50:07 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: dr_who_2

Wait a minute. You actually trusted someone in government? What gave you a weird notion to do something like that?!? LOL


591 posted on 09/06/2005 3:23:45 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: dr_who_2

Nor should you ultimately trust the government. That was never how the US governments were designed to operate.

Trust only in your own "rugged independence". That IS the American way!


The failure of New Orleans is the failure of the Great Society experiment.


596 posted on 09/06/2005 6:23:15 PM PDT by Mark Felton ("...before honor is humility")
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To: dr_who_2
The Governor on CNN said that Michael Brown and both LA senators toured the flooding city on Tuesday morning (august 30)... As much as I admire Sect Chertoff, I agree with you. Anyone who had a link to CNN or Fox (or even a sat phone to call a staff member in DC) could have picked up situation reports about what was happening in NO.

This from 30 August CNN transcript of "Larry King Live":

BLANCO:....It's a desperate situation. I was there talking to some of the refugees at the Superdome this afternoon, and they are desperate. They're so worried. So many of them were plucked from their roof tops. Because of the boat capacity, they had to leave relatives behind and they were worrying sick because they had not seen those people yet.

This morning Director Brown, Mike Brown, and our two United States senators went on a tour. The vastness of this situation is unspeakable. We, you know, Haley Barbour and I are just about in the same boat. We lost so many homes. Our problem is the water has covered just literally covered home after home, miles and miles of homes. So we've got thousands of people out of house and home right now, and they won't be able to go back into those homes for quite some time.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/30/lkl.01.html
601 posted on 09/06/2005 8:53:27 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: dr_who_2
Doesn't sound very convincing. I don't think there is anyone I trust anymore.

You do realize that their is going to be an investigation on this. If he is lying, it will be painfully clear to the investigators. Think the "News Media" is not frantically digging for "proof" that he is lying? Pity they aren't nearly so interested in finding out what happened to all the Fed Homeland Security money given to the State of LA and the City of NO for 1st Responders and Disaster Contingency planning.

610 posted on 09/07/2005 9:27:22 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Why did Gov Blanco not ask FEMA for help until Wed Aug 31st, 2005?)
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