German sources suggest Bosnia-linked cell preparing new UK attack

Serbianna ^ | September 13, 2005

[Hoplite]

So you can't reference any confirmed instances of Afghan Stingers being found in the Balkans.

'Nuff said. Your word on the matter means nothing Tom.

[tgambill]

Hoplite,

What are you talking about? Of course I have references.....I will have to search for the Bondsteel Security Meeting Report and my personal notes on the interview I had with the examiner.

Also, I don't have to prove anything to you because you are either a coward for avoiding Holbrookes speech, the proof already presented on the various issues....you seem to avoid the issues that are laid before you. You look for holes and whatever points you can twist into a negative. You avoid the facts and the positives. Actually, I don't even post to you as it makes no difference either way.

You are inept and very deceptive about your answers and your questions. If I didn't know better I would think that you were one of those geeky type of lawyers. Remember, even hell hates a rubber backbone....rubber smells bad burning......:))

When you can drop the attitude, come up with facts, I'll gladly agree or acknowledge that you are correct and I learn something. Also you do the same, otherwise, keep up the attitude and you become a poster of little signficance.

[Hoplite]

What are you talking about?

Ah. We're back to your inability to understand simple written English, I see.

Excellent.

When you can drop the attitude, come up with facts

Facts that prove that no Afghan Stingers wound up in the Balkans?

Prove a negative, Tom?

Yer just too damned smart for me - I can't.

Nobody can, as a matter of fact, as what you're looking for is what's called a logical fallacy.

Don't you worry yourself over it, though. I sure ain't.

And you can keep your references unless their available on a public website, like NATO's or UNMIK's. Your word, on its own, carries no weight whatsoever.

[tgambill]

"Ah. We're back to your inability to understand simple written English, I see."

***** No, let me explain to you since you don't understand. I am asking the question in an exclamatory manner to express my "inability" to comprehend your disjointed and inept comments. All your comments to me as well as other posters, (except for your fellow Vikings...:))) are only designed to deceive and provoke the reader. As I said before, I've been told about your ramblings and need to "brag" about how you have gotten this poster or that poster, banned. It's like you never grew out of your high school maturity level. It's really embarrassing to even respond to you on this level. But, its the only level you are capable of dealing with.

Apparently many journalist and writers that have quoted me and have personally seen my references, documentations and confirmed all my assertions think differently. So, you are speaking for yourself, which in fact has proven to be deceptive. One small example was the claim that Serbs murdered American citizens. Well, technically maybe, but you failed to mention that they were Albanians that joined the KLA and were considered combatants. Even though the executions require investigations and as of two weeks ago has been brought to the surface for an investigation. You leave out key information, you hid until you can find one assertion that you can twist and respond with that juvenile attitude that you have.

So, I can provide evidence of my credibility if you want to read the articles again, how about you? Going into hiding again? Or, are you smiling with that stupid look of yours as you attempt to provoke another poster. :) hmmmmmmm?

Go back to your drawing board and come back again. If I have time I will play if not, I'll ignore.....simple.

[Hoplite]

I'm not seeing any proof of your assertion that Afghan Stingers were brought into the Balkans.

What I do see is more of you running off at the mouth, which you're wont to do when you can't back up your claims with anything other than your own worthless word.

Yawn.

[tgambill]

Falling asleep at the wheel are you. So, let me guess, you went back to those you know are more knowledgeable than you, and received counseling concerning the Stinger issue. The other issue.....:)) was the trumped up mass graves, built with lies that you were using to provoke. Now, it's the stinger missile issue.

Besides the personal interviews giving me first hand knowledge and the actual U.S. KFOR reports at a security meeting....here is the following.......

http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2005/02/01/news/world/f348d47f1d98457487256f9900770904.txt

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http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2001/011002-attack03.htm

Quote: Stingers inevitably turned up for sale on the international black market. Alan Kuperman, author of a history of the Stinger transfer published in 1999 in Political Science Quarterly, puts the United Arab Emirates, Somalia, Iraq, Qatar, Zambia, and North Korea among the nations to acquire the Stinger. They are also believed to be in the arsenal of anti-government guerrillas in Turkey and Sri Lanka, as well as Hezbollah guerrillas operating in Lebanon. In 1990, two Colombian drug dealers were arrested in Tampa, Fla., after attempting to arrange the purchase of Stingers for the Medellín Cartel. The following year, U.S. Customs agents in Miami arrested four men and charged them with attempting to smuggle Stingers and other weapons to Yugoslavia.

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http://www.theglobalist.com/DBWeb/printStoryId.aspx?StoryId=4773

http://www.espritdecorps.ca/new_page_209.htm

http://www.megafortress.com/essay5.htm

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http://www.williambowles.info/articles/brit_fascists.html

"A deputy director in Macedonian intelligence was quoted in an interview in the /Halifax Herald/ stressing: “We have already provided a substantial dossier to the CIA, and obtaining further proof [of the link between bin Laden and the KLA] is our ministry’s number-one priority.’’ The intelligence official revealed that the Macedonian forces had contained the KLA assault in May, despite the KLA’s superior armaments, because Ukraine supplied helicopter gunships. However, the KLA was able to neutralize this Macedonian advantage. He said, “Shortly after that, our helicopter pilots reported being targeted by sophisticated [U.S. made] Stinger [anti-aircraft] missiles. It is our information that the (KLA] received these Stingers from their mujahideen connections in Afghanistan.’’"

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25214

[tgambill]

Hoplite, I hope you are only trying to provoke me....you can't actually be this stupid. So, I'm going to assume that you just being a child or trying to intimidate, etc......If you were actually working intell. no wonder we keep making mistakes in the Balkans. I'm sure if you were a cook you could remember how to "cook".....so don't quit your day job.........:)) :))

[Fruitbat]

I am so Glad - Clinton & Albright sent USA troops and warplanes to bomb the hell out of the Serbians to assure that we now have new radical Islamic-Fascist states (Bosnia and Kosovo)& new terrorist training camps in south eastern Europe.

Thanks - Billy !!

Was that a "Blue Dress War" or was that prior to the "blue dress?"

[Hoplite]

Wherein all that is the confirmed find of an Afghan Stinger in the Balkans Tom?

As to Macedonian pilots being able to discern various types of passively homing shoulder launched SAMs, don't be such a chump.

[tgambill]

I sort of thought reading and understanding English was a bit of a challenge......let...me....speak.....more.....slowly.....

Nevermind, no use wasting my time. If you don't have the skills speaking slowly won't do you a bit of good.

but, even you can probably understand this language if spoken in one syllable words. All you have to do is touch the great white with the cursor, for each syllable. When you get good at it..touch it faster and then faster to make full sentences. English for Hoplites...

http://www.toilette-humor.com/cartoon.html

[Hoplite]

You've got nothing Tom.

Just recycled Balkan BS.

Lemme know when you actually find that Serbian Bigfoot, aka a Stinger from Afghanistan.

[tgambill]

I have plenty, son. Recycled Balkan BS? It's called history, corrobating evidence, with first hand experience, due to my personal interview with the actual tech who administered the lie detector test of actual Albanian terrorist, plus the other points I made.

You must have some real personal issues. I'm sorry to hear about it. For recycled BS it's very substantial. You on the other hand, have nothing and I'm at a loss as to you're true intentions. It's actually very interesting. I must be hitting on target otherwise you wouldn't be so persistent. In any case, Hoplite, you can in no way win a debate or banter against me. One, you aren't smart enough, two; you have no facts. If you come up with facts, change your attitude, I have no problem admitting a mistake or inaccurate assertion with the introduction of facts to the discussion. In your case, it's more of an agenda, ego, or God forbid, actual ignorance.

So, are you getting better at learning the language of the Great White? Take it slowly at first, then you might catch on......

[tgambill]

I think you are Muslim.....a convert....it all makes sense now...for sure.

[Hoplite]

I have plenty, son.

Therin lies the problem, Tom.

The threshold of proof for someone who's punked himself out to the Serbs is substantially lower than for someone who hasn't.

[tgambill]

These idiots, no matter what you say will not debate with any solid facts. They are here to distort the truth for one reason or another. Impossible to take seriously.

Col. Andrei Demurenko, who was an artillery specialist, conducted an investigation on his own of the Sarjevo blast of August 28.....Quote from UN findings, "It is extremely rare for a U.N. Officer, particularly one of Colonel Demurenko's rank, to publicly disagree on an issue of such importance.....(He) said his own technical analysis had shown that a 120 mm mortar bomb could not have come from Bosnian Serbian positions."

Further, The longer Reuters report, a UN spokesman said that Demurenko's findings were among several reports that were contradictory to the first UN conclusions. and were submitted to the UN in NY.

Another interesting point that there has never been any acknowledgment by the Los Angeles Times on April 28, 1994 of the 3,000 Muslims dead or injured from Serbs. Their sources came from Bosnian Muslims who were ham radio operators. Most of the evacuees from Gorazde were men and soldiers with injuries during attacks against the Serb mil. positions. and ......Serb citizens...for starters....

[tgambill]

You have punked yourself out to the Muslims....haven't you ole boy. I have tried to be neutral, but due to the lies it's hard. Arkan did his crap, the paramilitaries murdered Muslims and are being investigated.....more than I can say about the UN, ICTY and the Hague....that has been completely incompetent.

But, like you told your co-hort, you need encouragement when you spout off irrational statements, then the Bast&*#ds wouldn't grind you down....speak the truth and you would have to use a convoluted latin term....

Nolite te bastardes carborundorum, which is not a good latin term....did you know that?

[Hoplite]

"I know you are, but what am I?"

Just keep pushing that bar as low as you need to keep getting over it.

[tgambill]

It's called the Limbo or whatever, for yours....:), you couldn't even scoot an index card between it and the floor yours is so low......:)))

You're fun, Hoplite......

Now, when you find the facts that actually state Missiles did not come from Afgh. we'll talk. The burden is on you, otherwise we communicate with this time wasting bantering, of useless posts........

[Hoplite]

Now, when you find the facts that actually state Missiles did not come from Afgh. we'll talk.

Which missiles? The ones you still have yet to show are in the Balkans?

Oh, those missiles.

Yeah, gonna have a problem there, Tom.

Cripes, even an everyday high jumping analogy is beyond you - but you've managed to blunder into something pertinent: this debate is in Limbo until you get someone to explain the basic elements of Logic to you.

[zagor-te-nej]

.. “If you choose to believe that the Taliban doesn't have any use for Stingers

now

that Afghanistan's skies are filled with US planes and helicopters, and instead chooses to smuggle any remaining stocks..”

Blah, blah, blah….
More old same, endless cheap BS, insults, pathetic rhetoric and evading facts – but, really, what can you except from those who promote Bin Laden’s friends?

Stingers were send from Afghanistan to the muslim Bosnia in the beginning of the war – that is 1990’s - not now. To found what really happened and who shoot down that plane all we need is to publish results of UN/Italian investigation into shooting. But for some reason they were classified as secret. It is not really hard to guess why, isn’t?

While we are waiting for them to acknowledge truth - let us use this time to remained ourselves of the true nature of the enemy
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