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Fleming senior wears racist T-shirt to school
Jacksonville.com ^ | 9.15.05 | BRAD SCHMIDT

Posted on 09/15/2005 10:46:04 AM PDT by conserv13

"What's up with your shirt?"

Those are the words a former senior at Fleming Island High School remembers hearing as he walked from his fifth-period algebra class toward the gym. The 18-year-old, who is not being identified due to his family's concerns of safety, had just taken off his Dixie Outfitter T-shirt, exposing a highly offensive shirt.

"What about it?" replied the 18-year-old, skinny and white.

"Well, you know it's racial," said a black student, now in a group confronting the 18-year-old.

"Yeah. So?"

The undershirt the white student wore had a confederate flag on the front with the words "Keep it flying." On the back, a cartoon depicted a group of hooded Klansmen standing outside a church, waving to two others who had just pulled away in a car reading "Just married."

Two black men in nooses were being dragged behind.

Upset by the shirt, a 17-year-old black student hit the white student in the head. A crowd of about 100 students gathered to watch the Aug. 29 fight before authorities intervened.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: dangerseeker; darwin; dixie; dixielost; florida; hateflag; idiot; moron; race; rebellion; slavery; slaves; treason; tshirt
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I'm sure this kid will have a lot of fun in the Marines!

/not

1 posted on 09/15/2005 10:46:09 AM PDT by conserv13
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To: conserv13

What year is this?


2 posted on 09/15/2005 10:47:56 AM PDT by manwiththehands ("Everything is funny as long as it is happening to somebody else" -Will Rogers)
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To: conserv13
Upset by the shirt, a 17-year-old black student hit the white student in the head. A crowd of about 100 students gathered to watch the Aug. 29 fight before authorities intervened.

I think the black student is the idiot here. There is no justification to hit someone, even if you are "offended" by his stupid T-Shirt.
3 posted on 09/15/2005 10:48:26 AM PDT by DoraC (Ceterum censeo Palaestinam esse delendam!)
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To: conserv13

I don't think the Marines want or need his kind.


4 posted on 09/15/2005 10:48:30 AM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: conserv13

I was starting to feel some compassion for the kid till I got to the "Just Married" part. If he were my kid I would beat him to within an inch of his life.


5 posted on 09/15/2005 10:48:41 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: conserv13

Dumbass! While the flag is not necessarily a racist symbol, the Klan picture on the back most certainly is. What a maroon!

If there's any justice, he's wearing a couple of black eyes right now.


6 posted on 09/15/2005 10:49:06 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: conserv13

This young man sure is stupid. Too bad there's no anitdote for it. My goodness, what a dork.


7 posted on 09/15/2005 10:50:04 AM PDT by RexBeach (Pardon me, but is that a malaise sandwich in your pocket or are you just glad to be in a funk?)
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To: manwiththehands
In addition to ghetto 'hood rats, Jacksonville has a large "peckerwood" population of PWTs as well. I aint surprised that this happened.

Reminds me of the time I saw some guy who looked like he just got out of Stark Penitentiary wearing a Hitler T-shirt with "white pride worldwide" at a shopping mall in South Florida largely patronized by Jews and Caribbean blacks.

8 posted on 09/15/2005 10:50:49 AM PDT by Clemenza (What's Puzzling You is Just the Nature of My Game)
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To: conserv13

Ok, that shirt was completely unacceptable. That being said, how much do you want to bet that these kids get away with assault because they were OFFENDED.


9 posted on 09/15/2005 10:50:55 AM PDT by sandbar
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To: conserv13

Racist or not, we either have free speech or we don't. If the left-wingers have the "free speech" to engage in overtly treasonous behavior, then this kid should have the free speech right to express his own beliefs, however odious.


10 posted on 09/15/2005 10:51:09 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Gentlemen may cry, "Peace! Peace!" -- but there is no peace. - Patrick Henry)
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To: DoraC

"There is no justification to hit someone, even if you are "offended" by his stupid T-Shirt."

I'm afraid I must disagree with you on this one. The t-shirt is the equivalent of "fighting words."

You did notice the description of the back of the t-shirt, right....the two black people being dragged behind the car in nooses?

Sorry. If I'd been there, I'd have punched this kid, and I'm about as white as they come.


11 posted on 09/15/2005 10:51:20 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: conserv13
What an idiot.

Lando

12 posted on 09/15/2005 10:51:21 AM PDT by Lando Lincoln (The general public doesn't pay attention enough........to care enough.)
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To: conserv13

How disgusting.


13 posted on 09/15/2005 10:51:52 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: conserv13

Stupid moron shouldn,t be allowed to breed.


14 posted on 09/15/2005 10:52:03 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.)
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To: conserv13

So we have TWO morons here. Filter out the gene pool. One racist moron and one violent felon. Case closed.


15 posted on 09/15/2005 10:52:10 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (Islam is the virus that causes al-Qaeda.)
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To: conserv13
"I'm not racist or anything," he said. "It's just, some people I hate, some people I don't get along with. And black people just happen to be the ones because they think they're better than everyone else."

'nuff said.

16 posted on 09/15/2005 10:52:12 AM PDT by rattrap
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To: conserv13
Maybe hes a friend of Prince Harry
17 posted on 09/15/2005 10:52:23 AM PDT by lillybet
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To: conserv13

The shirt was offensive.

But the principal is taking the attitude that it's okay to physically assault someone whose speech offends you, and that the continuing physical threats which are keeping the kid from returning to school are understandable and to be expected.

Also, the principal gave the same punishment to the kid expressing the offensive thought, and the kid who physically attacked him.

I have to wonder out loud what would happen to a black kid who made a racial slur against whites? You can't tell me that never happens. Would he be punished?


18 posted on 09/15/2005 10:52:46 AM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: conserv13

man if i picked a fight for every Tshirt that offended me i dont think i would ever leave prison


19 posted on 09/15/2005 10:52:55 AM PDT by DM1
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To: MineralMan

Agreed, no way I'd convict if I was on a jury.


20 posted on 09/15/2005 10:53:17 AM PDT by rattrap
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To: thoughtomator
we either have free speech or we don't we don't
21 posted on 09/15/2005 10:53:21 AM PDT by SF Republican
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To: conserv13

two idiots.


22 posted on 09/15/2005 10:53:29 AM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: MineralMan
While the flag is not necessarily a racist symbol

It has NOTHING to do with racism. Period.

23 posted on 09/15/2005 10:54:01 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: conserv13

Yikes. I'm not going to blame the kid for punching him.


24 posted on 09/15/2005 10:54:09 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: DoraC

Screw that, this kid needed an ass kicking.

Sometimes people just do.


25 posted on 09/15/2005 10:54:23 AM PDT by misterrob
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To: conserv13
The kid got what he deserved. That shirt is "fighting words."

Normally, I don't support assault and battery. This is one exception.

26 posted on 09/15/2005 10:54:25 AM PDT by jude24 ("Stupid" isn't illegal - but it should be.)
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To: conserv13

Does this mean I get to beat up the next punk I see wearing a Che Guevera shirt?

I've wanted to for a long time.


27 posted on 09/15/2005 10:54:31 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (North American Community. What's yours is theirs.)
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To: thoughtomator

"Racist or not, we either have free speech or we don't. "


Oh, we have free speech. This kid exercised it. Free speech has only to do with the government restricting your speech.

Seems to me like the kid expressed himself. So, apparently, did the kid who punched him. You've heard of "fighting words?" This is an example of that.

Consider how you might react if some kid had a t-shirt with a picture of your daughter on one side and the words, "Nice Piece" on the back. Just think about it, and then think about a cartoon showing two black people being dragged behind a car in nooses.

The kid's lucky he is still around.


28 posted on 09/15/2005 10:54:33 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: conserv13

This kid needs emergency surgery to keep him from getting carpet burns on his knuckles.


29 posted on 09/15/2005 10:54:40 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Hey, Cindy Sheehan, grow up!)
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To: conserv13

hrm.. if i looked at the shirt i would think he was insulting people who flew the confederate flag.


30 posted on 09/15/2005 10:54:41 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: conserv13

The quote, "Life is hard. It's even harder if you're stupid" aptly fits.


31 posted on 09/15/2005 10:54:51 AM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: conserv13

Something doesn't smell right about this story.


32 posted on 09/15/2005 10:54:53 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired!)
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To: conserv13

The kid with the shirt is obviously a few fries short of a happy meal. And if you're going to wear clothing that others find offensive(which I do frequently, though not as bad as this kid), you'd better learn how to duck punches or throw some yourself.


33 posted on 09/15/2005 10:55:03 AM PDT by dogfighter
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To: DoraC
I think the black student is the idiot here.

Legally he's wrong and should be punished. But morally? Come on. The guy was wearing a pro-lynching shirt. You walk down a street in Tel Aviv wearing a pro-Holocaust shirt and you're probably going to get punched too, and you know what? You had it coming. I'd have probably punched this guy too.

34 posted on 09/15/2005 10:55:06 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: thoughtomator
You have free speach, but just in the Dixie Chick incident, you also have to hear other people's chagrin to your free speach.

Lesson: Keep your radical ideas to yourself, dumbass.

35 posted on 09/15/2005 10:55:11 AM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Future Minnesota Refugee)
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To: lady lawyer
"I have to wonder out loud what would happen to a black kid who made a racial slur against whites? You can't tell me that never happens. Would he be punished?"

In some parallel universe, perhaps...

36 posted on 09/15/2005 10:55:23 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: conserv13

But yet I hear RAP music lyrics wanting kill everything that isn't black. Is racsim only a "white" thing?


37 posted on 09/15/2005 10:55:32 AM PDT by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death.” - Al-Qaeda / Democratic Party)
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To: DoraC

Fighting words concept. You might not have felt compelled to hit but the law recognizes that your freedom of expression is not armor against those whom you have obviously chosen to offend. I hope he knocked him out.


38 posted on 09/15/2005 10:55:35 AM PDT by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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To: conserv13

Obviously, Columbine didn't teach us anything.


39 posted on 09/15/2005 10:56:21 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Puppage
Actually, since the KKK appropriated the Confederate flag as its symbol, it does have racist linkages.

It's a classical problem. Not all Confederate-flag wearing Southerners are racists, but it sure seems that all racists wear the Confederate flag.

It kinda sucks for decent Southerners who see the flag as representative of regional pride, and of State's Rights, but the simple fact of the matter is that racists have identified with the Confederate cause since the Civil War.

40 posted on 09/15/2005 10:57:18 AM PDT by jude24 ("Stupid" isn't illegal - but it should be.)
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To: Clemenza

Maybe 'The Boyz in The Hood" and "The Boyz in The Hoods" should act out their fantasies with each other in some private venue, and not bother the rest of us..


41 posted on 09/15/2005 10:57:28 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Dallas59

Yeah, it's bad, but what would prompt you to make this sudden equivocation?


42 posted on 09/15/2005 10:57:51 AM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Future Minnesota Refugee)
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To: thoughtomator
Racist or not, we either have free speech or we don't. If the left-wingers have the "free speech" to engage in overtly treasonous behavior, then this kid should have the free speech right to express his own beliefs, however odious.

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Fighting words concept. You might not have felt compelled to hit but the law recognizes that your freedom of expression is not armor against those whom you have obviously chosen to offend. I hope he knocked him out.

43 posted on 09/15/2005 10:58:18 AM PDT by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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To: MineralMan

Free speech doesn't apply to fighting words.


44 posted on 09/15/2005 10:58:19 AM PDT by jude24 ("Stupid" isn't illegal - but it should be.)
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To: lady lawyer
But the principal is taking the attitude that it's okay to physically assault someone whose speech offends you,

There's offensive and then there's offensive.
This guy's shirt called for lynchings -- I'd have punched the kid too, and I probably would have punched him harder than the kid who did punch him.

45 posted on 09/15/2005 10:58:34 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: DoraC
On the back, a cartoon depicted a group of hooded Klansmen standing outside a church, waving to two others who had just pulled away in a car reading "Just married." Two black men in nooses were being dragged behind.

Frankly if this is on a Dixie Outfitters shirt, I'm disappointed. I love the Flag and can't stand any PC talk that tries to tear it down. But if this was on his shirt, I'd be the first to ask him to take it off as it is offensive to what my ancestors fought for. And yes if that's on the shirt I find it more than offensive

46 posted on 09/15/2005 10:58:54 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: conserv13
"Sgt. Darin Lee of the Clay County Sheriff's Office investigated the altercation and found no criminal action."

Race card immunity?

47 posted on 09/15/2005 10:59:03 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: thoughtomator
"...this kid should have the free speech right to express his own beliefs, however odious."

Well, he does. He also bears the responsibility of any hostility his "speech" may have incited.

With rights come responsibility. It's a miracle that idiot hasn't lost both.

48 posted on 09/15/2005 10:59:15 AM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: manwiththehands

Could he have been as stupid as Prince Harry when he dressed in a Nazi uniform for a costume party.

Methinks this young man needs a histroy lesson..


49 posted on 09/15/2005 10:59:19 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: MineralMan; TypeZoNegative

We have here one case of odious speech and one case of violence. It should be pretty clear who is wrong in this instance.

As far as "fighting words" doctrine, I'm pretty sure that those words need to be personally directed to qualify. Otherwise we'd have an open license to beat the crap out of thousands and thousands of traitorous left-wingers who on a daily basis spew rhetoric more odious than a KKK t-shirt.


50 posted on 09/15/2005 10:59:49 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Gentlemen may cry, "Peace! Peace!" -- but there is no peace. - Patrick Henry)
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