Posted on 09/18/2005 3:05:48 AM PDT by Caipirabob
Over a casual dinner, Rachel Kaplan turned to her boyfriend and asked, "You're open for a prenup, right?"
Darren Waldohlz, 38, a partner in a successful speed-dating business, admits he was caught off guard. But he said he realized a prenuptial agreement would protect the house he owns, too.
"It's not that I plan to get divorced," says Kaplan, 23, a single mom from Fort Lauderdale, who has a sizable inheritance. "I have to protect myself and my daughter."
While men are still more likely to seek a prenup, "women are becoming a more dominant force," said attorney Alan Braverman, who has offices in Fort Lauderdale and Boynton Beach.
Experts attribute the change to women marrying later or more than once.
"It's not uncommon in today's world that women are entering marriages with assets and stock options," said matrimonial attorney Jacqueline Valdespino, in Coral Gables. "Now both sides have equal bargaining power."
(Excerpt) Read more at sun-sentinel.com ...
'Zactly,
They're here for the shoes!
It took 13 posts before this rational statement was made. Also people are in denial about real faults that the other person has. "He tells me he won't drink as much after we get married." "I know she cheated on me while we were dating but she wouldn't do that if she had a ring on her finger." And on and on...
At any rate, prenups are mostly hot-air. Any entry-level attorney can get one nullified in court.
Glad to hear it. You reasonable types tend to be quiet about your views, though.
so it seems the article is saying that a prenup is for protecting the children of a first marriage.
hmmm, did the author think to consider that this is more a SECOND marriage issue?
The author tried to imply this was a first marriage no children issue.
I have seen this more in OLDER marriages not marriages without pre existing adult children.
Seems to be a slow newsday for this writer...
look at the source its the Sun "homosexual" sentinal.
They paper also advocates homosexual sex.
Actually, my wife attended a wedding where a friend of hers (major atheist) and her guy (major dick...and atheist) were getting married by a justice-of-the-peace and their vows included "until our love ends."
Talk about leaving yourself an easy out.
hit enter too fast:
homosexual sex via GLSEN
they also oppose FMA
Office Depot sells cohabitation and prenup form package for $24.95.
If they are going to live together "for the whim" then it is cheeper to just do the form.
actually the key to a prenup is realizing that they are strongest the first 6 years of marriage and best for protecting SPECIFIC items. Collection of X or vehicle or even a house.
A 25 year old prenup is not going to be as strong as a prenup that is only 1 year old.
Only if the property protected by the pre-nup becomes mingled in the marriage. You can't use a prenup to retain full ownership of the house you both live in, for example. It becomes community property.
You can only use a prenup to protect separate holdings that are never used in the marriage.
Only if your community property state has a specific law.
This is NOT true otherwise.
Prenups CAN and DO get drafted which envision living in the same house.
They even have provisions which say that if the house is sold, the PROCEEDS are still subject to the prenup.
living in the house is not really relevant if properly drafted.
I suppose.... Really, if the power of prenups fade and get mixed in with joint property with time, that's the way it should be, as over time, the wealth in the marriage ~should~ be expected to be jointly earned.
I always advocate a "termination date" in prenups.
IOW they sunset after say 20 years.
HOWEVER that assumes no children of a previous marriage.
EVen OVER TIME prenups specifically drafted to protect previous marriage children DO have significanly more life.
It just takes putting as much as possible in writing. Even to the point of puting INTENT in the document. The is important if you state has automatic "widows/widowers share" in intestacy laws.
Oh, I will have a nice day, sunshine :~D
Yer supposed to duck when you see a rock comin' at ya. ;)
'sides darlin, I think you just made our point better than we ever could've.
I agree....take an example of a young man, recently graduated with an engineering degree, his earning potential over the years is major attraction to the ladies...
So years later a marriage breaks up, and the court rules that property, be split 50, 50....my point is that there is no consideration of the effort that the man put into his education, ...he entered the marriage, with a valuable asset, his education.....now his departed spouse, capitalizes on his education, and moves on.
excellent analogy!
I think this is a bad analogy. I don't think you can readily compare the moral issue of self defense with getting a prenup agreement. By getting a preunp a person is admitting to themselves that divorce is a possibility. If a person is unsure if the marriage is going to last, why get married?
A 23 year old single mother is not somebody that a young man should consider as a first, second, third or fourth choice as marriage material.
There is a long list of reasons why she would want a marriage and "I love this man" is probably at the bottom half of the list.
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