Russia to deploy new hypersonic missile systems

RIA Novosti ^ | 16:46 | 27/ 09/ 2005

[Red6]

No,

In a T72 vs. a M1 you end up like in Iraq- a bloodbath, TWICE. An example that our Russian friends MUST downplay. A T72 is "junk". A BTR70 is "junk". A BMP1 and 2 is "junk".

When 762x51 M80 ball tears through the armor on a BTR70 at 200 meters, when 25mm M919 tears through a T72 at ranges over 1500 meters you got "junk".

The Russians had and still have an Army of "mass" not quality. Take a look at Russian NVG's. They call them Generation 3 or 3+ but they are WAY behind some of the stuff we issue our truck drivers after the Infantry phases them out.

Yes, their Army is equipped with what we would describe as "junk".

The people who tend to buy their stuff often have NO OTHER CHOICE because the US, Germany, France, GB, S. Korea, Italy, or Israel won't sell them what they want. I gave examples: Syria, Iran, Libya........ REAL WORLD examples I can back. If given a choice, few will prefer a T-80 over a M1, Leo2, Chally, LeClerk. Those buying the T80 have no other CHOICES. Iran is interested in advanced SAMs from Russia, do you think the US will offer any to Iran? Israel? The Russians are bottom feeders in defense. They make their deals where others are unwilling to sell. Coincidence that N. Korea fly’s new MIG29s?

Red6

[eks41]

Take a look at how many launches are from the USAF space command
Talking about lanches I can say that Russian Plesetsk Cosmodrome is the busiest in the world. Over 1250 launches have taken place since 1966. This total is greater than the combined totals from all other nations.

And answer this, hoiw many times did you COPY of our space shuttle fly? :)
You mean Buran? It's not a full copy of american shuttle, it's better but too expensive. The main purpose was "to maintain strategic parity with the West".

[Rebelbase]

Don't forget that NASA just inked a deal to buy russian rockets for launch vehicles.

[RunningWolf]

Red6,

Okay you like the word 'junk' lol, it does not bother me.
I think the Iraq battlefield is not the best place to make these determinations because we had so much superiority there in every way. Also another opponent would not have just sat there and let us bomb the s*** out of them.

The Sherman was junk against the Panzer and the Tiger, but like one German WWII combatant pointed out, for every 10 Shermans they blew up, another 20 Shermans popped up. Most everyone I knew thought the M113 was junk, the Sheridan was definitely junk.
The US turned its nose up at the Mig17 too, but the Mig17 took on and knocked out of the sky much US equipment, including the Phantom.

BTW they they ever determine what knocked out that M1 in Iraq with a hole the diameter of a pencil burned halfway thru it?

BTW why are you including Israel with Iran?

Wolf

[Rebelbase]

" You mean Buran? It's not a full copy of american shuttle, it's better but too expensive"

All I see is a copy of what looks like an American Shuttle. How can you claim it's "better" if it was never even launched?

[eks41]

It was launched in 1989. Read here.

[Rebelbase]

I don't see any lift-off photos in that link. I do see what appears to be a firing of an engine on the launch pad but it's nowhere near being a launch.

Please understand my skepticism is based on years of listening to Radio Moscow English language broadcasts and comparing those with Western News accounts of the same stories and actual film footage of the events.

If there were a photograph for propaganda in the dictionary, The Hammer and Sickle would be there, right beside the Swastika.

[RunningWolf]

How can you claim it's "better" if it was never even launched?


I don't know if its better but they saved a whole lot of money for one thing. Did we, do we really need the Shuttle?

Wolf

[JamminJAY]

They will be practically invulnerable, including to air defense systems

Strong statement. I've heard this before about many obsolete weapon systems.

Good for building national pride. The Russians are a proud people, they earned that right.
I’ve said this before, we blew it in the 90’s. The Russian people removed a corrupt stale government and wanted help from us. We turned our backs and jumped in bed with China.

Welcome to FR.

Jammer

[eks41]

Well, you are mistrustful guy :)
Do you trust NASA? The Russian Shuttle Buran
And here is much info about Buran with photogallery and videogallery.

[hgro]

The Russians couldn't even defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan. Now, they try to turn defeat into victory. Putin is good, Russia is good, but neither are that good.
Without the Nazi help, they like the U.S. wouldn't have any missile systems.

[Lazamataz]

Yeah, that's why our (Russian) old rockets "Soyuz" fly to ISS without any problem and your "Shuttles" stand somewhere in the ass.

Didn't you guys try to copy our Shuttle a few times?

On one of my visits to Moskva, I believe I saw the decaying relic of that attempt. The Buran, you called it? Pity you couldn't get it working.

[RunningWolf]

The Russian people removed a corrupt stale government and wanted help from us. We turned our backs and jumped in bed with China.

And we know where to lay that at the feet of, Clinton Gore.


Wolf

[Lazamataz]

You even put the jet's wings on backwards!

[Rebelbase]

Very good. I'll take that source.

I'm still doubtful that Buran "was better" than the shuttle when it's only orbital flight was unmanned and was restricted to 2 orbits only due to "computer memory limitations".

But I will give credit to your country's space agency for recognizing they could get the same thing done cheaper using disposable launch vehicles.

We are only now realizing that 24 years later.

[Lazamataz]

You mean Buran? It's not a full copy of american shuttle, it's better but too expensive

If you define 'better' as smaller and heated up to 700 degrees in the interior during re-entry, then I will concede Buran was 'better'.

[RunningWolf]

You even put the jet's wings on backwards!

They can't get anything right can they LOL ;)

Wolf

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Russian women are smart and beautiful. Just thought I'd let you know :-)

[dennisw]

RUSSIA- CHINA- IRAN- VENEZUELA the new quadruple alliance. It's based on long term oil contracts, military equipment sales and transfer of nuke and missile technology

[JamminJAY]

Yes.

We are just starting to pay the dues for the two terms of the “gang that couldn't shoot straight”.