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Teen With Camcorder Captures His Own Killing On Tape
http://www.wtov9.com/news/5039999/detail.html ^

Posted on 09/30/2005 4:55:13 AM PDT by lunarbicep

LA CROSSE, Wis. -- Friends and relatives have said their final goodbyes to Wisconsin high school senior Seth Hammes.

Hammes, 17, was out using his camcorder as he explored the woods near Little Falls, Wis., last Saturday when the camera ended up recording his own fatal shooting.

After searchers found his body that night, investigators ran the videotape, which had captured the crack of gunshots, the teen's screams and the voice of the shooter, promising help that never came.

Police said the camcorder was the key to catching the man now charged with reckless homicide, 24-year-old Russell Schroeder. He told police he thought he saw an animal when he fired the shots, and he didn't call for help after seeing Hammes because he feared he would get in trouble.

The funeral service for Hammes was held Thursday.

His uncle, Ed Hammes, described his nephew as a gentle giant, who stood over six feet tall and wore size 17 shoes. He said the teen liked to tinker with the family's lawn mowers and research fireworks, but mostly he was someone who would go out of his way to help another.

Schroeder was being held on $250,000 bond. If convicted, he faces up to 85 years in prison.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: banglist; edhammes; littlefalls; russellschroeder; sethhammes; shooting; wisconsin
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To: elli1

According to the story on CNN.com, the guy claims he thought he was shooting at a squirrel. They also say that, after saying he was going to get help, he instead went to a birthday party, went home to play video games, and then went to work.


81 posted on 09/30/2005 9:50:13 AM PDT by Heyworth
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To: spunkets

"Only if yer mostly blind and dizzy enough."

The guy didn't seem too bright.

"You want to hunt? ID YOUR TARGET! You have zero right to demand other people dress as you see fit to dress them, because you think blasting phantoms is a valid thing to do."

You know that and I know that. I doubt more than 50% of those out there hunting even think about that.


82 posted on 09/30/2005 9:53:56 AM PDT by Sensei Ern (Christian, Comedian, Husband,Opa, Dog Owner, former Cat Co-dweller, and all around good guy.)
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To: spunkets

I really doubt the guy made a conscious effort to shoot a human if he identified him, unless there is a motive involved.


83 posted on 09/30/2005 9:55:13 AM PDT by Sensei Ern (Christian, Comedian, Husband,Opa, Dog Owner, former Cat Co-dweller, and all around good guy.)
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To: saganite

So true. I like to walk in the woods behind my home (we live in a semi rural area) and during hunting season, my husband won't let me go back there without orange hat, vest and so on....


84 posted on 09/30/2005 9:59:37 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Sensei Ern
"I really doubt the guy made a conscious effort to shoot a human if he identified him,"

He's being charged with reckless homicide and reckless injury. That's appropriate, because he fired at something he didn't ID.

" I doubt more than 50% of those out there hunting even think about that."

That number is closer to less than 3% in WI. We insist hunters be responsible and hold them accountable for reckless and negligent action.

85 posted on 09/30/2005 10:11:03 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: GOP_Proud
He's toast.

let's hope so, what sociopathic and depraved indifference to life he showed by his actions.

86 posted on 09/30/2005 10:13:38 AM PDT by SunnyUsa (No man really becomes a fool until he stops asking questions.)
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To: Savage Beast

I agree 100%. On one thread recently about a bunch of young men illegally hunting, and often leaving the deer to die slowly, I told of a buck who wanders on my property (rural, no fences, and I have no dog) who someone shot with an arrow. It stuck in his right hind quarters for several weeks, but it finally sloughed out and he appears to be healing. Viciously and needlessly cruel.


87 posted on 09/30/2005 10:14:18 AM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: lunarbicep
This guy was no hunter. You don't accidentally shoot someone, and then not lift a finger for help. This guy should have done everything in his power to summon help. Now he'll spend most of his life in a cage.
88 posted on 09/30/2005 10:16:03 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: GOP_Proud

I understand. The first part was a fatal error. The second part was even worse. But I can imagine someone who could make both errors, and still not see it as justice to take his whole life for what was a mistake, and then a mistaken reaction to that mistake. I realize someone died. And if it'd been someone close to me, I might feel different. Maybe I'd want to see what kind of person he is. Or else I just shouldn't be on a jury.


89 posted on 09/30/2005 10:20:49 AM PDT by Huck (Are there any fiscal conservatives left?)
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There is premeditation. The hunter knew if he did not call for help the victim would die. Isn't that the difference between between first degree murder and, say, manslaughter?


90 posted on 09/30/2005 10:28:21 AM PDT by ftriggerf
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To: Savage Beast
I am going to stick my uninvited nose in here:

You say "...how anyone could derive pleasure from inflicting pain and terror."

With all due respect I say you are being an ass.

You are NOT asking a question or even wondering aloud, you are making an accusation.

Hunting is NOT about "inflicting pain and terror" and it is NOT the reason why people hunt. I would be willing to bet cash money you knew that before you posted.

Nik
91 posted on 09/30/2005 10:34:27 AM PDT by Nik Naym
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To: newzjunkey
I'm not sure 85 years behind bars is appropriate.

85 years is perfectly appropriate. That's 5 years for accidentally shooting someone in the woods, and 80 years for deliberately murdering a 17 year old boy by leaving him to bleed to death in the woods. The shooter knew the boy would die without medical help and declined to assist. That was a conscious and planned act that resulted in the death of another person.

At the very minimum it's voluntary manslaughter. Because the shooter had plenty of time to think about it and rationalize his choice as he hiked out of the woods, it's more likely murder.
92 posted on 09/30/2005 10:37:54 AM PDT by Arthalion
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To: saganite
If you are a hunter you already know the answer to that question. There are people in the woods during hunting season who can't tell the difference between a Buck and a pickup truck.

Well thats a tough one...after all they both have Horns don't they ?

93 posted on 09/30/2005 10:41:11 AM PDT by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you dont have to...." ;)
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To: Black Tooth

Sounds a bit like an episode that happened to a certain senior senator from Taxachusetts back in 1969. This a$$wipe will probably get off based on that precedent.


94 posted on 09/30/2005 11:02:14 AM PDT by P8riot (Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional.)
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To: Minnesoootan

Yeh--I forgot about bear season. But if the kid was shot with a .22, Schroeder sure wasn't bear hunting.


95 posted on 09/30/2005 11:02:34 AM PDT by elli1
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To: Heyworth

Thanx for the additional info. Saturday was a drizzley, rainy overcast day in central Wisconsin--i.e., visual conditions were not the best. But that's not an excuse--only more reason to be doubley sure of the target and what is beyond.


96 posted on 09/30/2005 11:17:45 AM PDT by elli1
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To: Huck

< Maybe I'd want to see what kind of person he is. Or else I just shouldn't be on a jury. >

Well, if I ever get into trouble I'll pray you're on my jury. LOL. Otherwise, no, you don't belong on a jury. Even the worst lawyer can make the vilest of the vile LOOK sympathetic.


97 posted on 09/30/2005 11:59:22 AM PDT by GOP_Proud (Those who preach tolerance most, have the least for my views.)
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To: Savage Beast
I still cannot understand how anyone could derive pleasure from inflicting pain and terror.

Likewise.

98 posted on 09/30/2005 2:02:56 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: d-back
Did I miss something?

You missed that I pointed out exactly what you said. :-)

"I recall wondering how they ever got their licenses...we had to complete a course, written test, and shooting test.
I imagine that they obtained their licenses via the simple passing of cash. It always seemed that many things happened in NYC that wouldn't fly out in the country where I lived.
99 posted on 09/30/2005 2:06:18 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: P8riot

"Hunting with dogs is not hunting. The only skill you need is the ability to fire a weapon."

Yup - barenaked and a rock is what hunting is all about.


100 posted on 09/30/2005 2:14:46 PM PDT by geopyg (Ever Vigilant, Never Fearful)
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