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To: Sam Hill

It's very reassuring to see the esteemed Judge Bork is on board with the thoughtomator school of constitutional jurisprudence =)


2 posted on 10/07/2005 3:54:26 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Corporatism is not conservatism)
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To: thoughtomator

I'm very impressed with Borks observations. Well-thought out, well-spoken. The Bush-bots won't get it. Sick of both the left and the right.


38 posted on 10/07/2005 4:07:01 PM PDT by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: thoughtomator

CARLSON: None at all, it seems like. But her defenders -- flaks from the White House, some of whom we've had on the show --

Take that Hugh Hewitt!!!


53 posted on 10/07/2005 4:13:45 PM PDT by He'sComingBack! (Just another National Championship from the "weak" PAC-10)
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To: thoughtomator

So Judge Bork, was your nomination a flaming success?


188 posted on 10/07/2005 4:57:37 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: thoughtomator

Like Bork knows how to keep his mouth shut and get through confirmation hearings.


252 posted on 10/07/2005 5:24:33 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: thoughtomator
former judge and Supreme Court nominee Robert Bork tells Tucker Carlson the Harriet Miers' nomination is "a disaster on every level," that Miers has "no experience with constitutional law whatever" and that the nomination is a "slap in the face" to conservatives.

A superb summation from one of the most "elite" of our nation's judges and legal scholars. I don't want to read the comments on this thread---not, at least, the scurrilous comments about Judge Bork and the late, great, beloved President Reagan that I know without even scanning it that the 'zoids have already plastered all over the thread.

275 posted on 10/07/2005 5:39:03 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: thoughtomator
Hmmm. Myers is being Borked by Borke.

I trust the President on this one. It going to be fine.

293 posted on 10/07/2005 5:46:48 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles
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"Tonight on MSNBC's "The Situation with Tucker Carlson," former judge and Supreme Court nominee Robert Bork tells Tucker Carlson the Harriet Miers' nomination is "a disaster on every level," that Miers has "no experience with constitutional law whatever" and that the nomination is a "slap in the face" to conservatives."

Amen. I want to here some of the thought leaders of this forum rationalize the Miers nomination. We've heard:

* Trust Bush.
* Miers is a Christian.
* Fill in other here please.


Miers is a disaster. The nomination is a slap in the face to the middle judiciary with the courage to stand up against liberals. What message does this send the middle?


The nomination is not forward looking. Miers should be a leader and mentor to the future. She only a political crony with a mediocre legal record and relativist positions on a City Council. She didn't even have the courage to make bold stands or create change on a city council. Why put her on a Supreme Court?
294 posted on 10/07/2005 5:47:06 PM PDT by ridge
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To: thoughtomator

Meirs may demurr before this is over and Bush can get back to the business at hand, namely dictating policy instead of reacting to the cries of the crowd; but, I suppose, that is wishful thinking.


299 posted on 10/07/2005 5:48:43 PM PDT by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: thoughtomator
WOW!

Bork said it all, its a little late at 60 years old to develop a judicial philosophy.

And if don't have a philosophy, you end up like O'Connor - deciding each case based on how you feel that day.

BTW, I've never a more accurate and truthful attack on Sandra Day O'Connner than Coulters column on her. Read it.
324 posted on 10/07/2005 5:59:27 PM PDT by rcocean (Copyright is theft and loved by Hollywood socialists)
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To: thoughtomator
I just saw what the press is now saying (braying) about the whole matter. Those infamous liberal mags, Time, Newsweek and The Economist have cover stories that say things like "The Republicans in total disarray," "The end of conservatism." "Bush fails at everything," and inside it's all about De Lay, Rove, FEMA, Bush and, of course, Harriet Mier. They have all jumped upon the bandwagon and love all of the so-called conservatives, including several on FR, attacking the Prez.

I'm tired of it and hope that the elections in 2006 will prove again that the RATs are unelectable regardless of their attacks.

341 posted on 10/07/2005 6:11:47 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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Amazing. All these people I used to respect like Bork, Krauthammer, etc., all going off the deep end. A "disaster"? That's just loony. What it smells like to me is that these people can't imagine anyone, especially a Texas woman, being nearly as smart as they are. You know? It *is* elitism!


356 posted on 10/07/2005 6:21:57 PM PDT by zook
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To: wardaddy

Another "liberal elitist neocon" joins our ranks in opposing Miers. :-)


381 posted on 10/07/2005 6:34:13 PM PDT by bourbon (It's the target that decides whether terror wins.)
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To: Sam Hill

Back when Bork was being considered, I thought maybe the Libs would have supported him if he was nominated by a RAT Prez. They were going on all-out-attack mode on every 3rd or 4th Reagan pick for almost anything. Remember the Chief arms negoitator they went ape over? Bork lost on the luck of the draw. The RATS were too blinded by their agenda.


400 posted on 10/07/2005 6:52:47 PM PDT by Waco
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To: thoughtomator
I want to start a write campaign to nominate Ben Stein!
413 posted on 10/07/2005 6:59:24 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of the Big Chicken.)
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To: Stingray51

all we need to know.


465 posted on 10/07/2005 7:30:20 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: thoughtomator

In addition to Constitutional law, one of Bork's specializations was antitrust. His book The Antitrust Paradox is the standard reference for the Chicago School of Law and Economics as apllied to that area. I've taught from that book. Take 100 people like me and ask how many of us would have predicted that a few years later Bork would be on the side of the Government against Microsoft, the most important antitrust case in two generations. I'm sure not a lot. I'm not saying he is being insincere, I'm just questioning all of these implicit assumptions that putting a Federalist Society heavyweight on the court means that we "know" how they are going to judge.

Take Michael McConnell, one of the NRO's rock-star heavyweights for this slot. I dare anybody to read through the paper trail on him provided on by several sites and tell me how you think he would rule on any of the important issues of the next few years. Compare his early public writings to his statements at his confirmation hearings. The following is from a Byron York article on NRO (September 18, 2002) about McConnell's hearings.

"The argument [McConnell's argument] left McConnell is the odd position of saying, in effect, You know all those things I wrote? Well, never mind."


501 posted on 10/07/2005 7:45:48 PM PDT by Okie2
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To: Sam Hill

bork is right!


506 posted on 10/07/2005 7:48:40 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: thoughtomator; Sam Hill
It distresses me to see Robert Bork, whom I respect highly and work for indirectly, come out so strongly against Harriet Myers. And I see his point. However,...

Only two things really matter in a Justice of the Supreme Court. One is the quality of the mind, the other is the jurisprudence (the basic approach to the law). If those two qualities are present, everything else can be learned on the job.

Example: Justice William O. Douglas, who served longer on the Court than any other, but who went potty at the end and had to be persuaded to retire. Douglas was a specialist in securities law when he was appointed. He knew almost nothing about any other area of the law, when he went on the Court.

Keep in mind that Justices have more help in deciding legal issues than anyone else in the known universe. They have about four very smart clerks, each. And they have about 100 fairly bright lawyers filing briefs on every single detail of each case. Plus they get to hear argument from several more lawyers who are fairly bright cookies.

The Justices have to be smart enough to get on top of that mass of material, to figure out what's the straight skinny, and what's just woofing. Every Justice in every case is, in effect, the senior partner of a large law firm, some on staff but others volunteers, some trying to assist the Justice, some trying to fake out the Justice.

Earning a position at the top of two different large law firms is preparation for exactly that.

I note for the record that Judge Bork was formerly a law professor at Yale. I think there may be just a touch of academic snobbery in his remarks about Miers.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: "Harriet Miers and the 'Pigpen' Press"

600 posted on 10/07/2005 8:36:34 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Bush plays chess, while his opponents are playing checkers.)
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To: thoughtomator
Elitism is listening to Verdi, contemplating Velasquez, reading Thomas Mann (say.)

Philistinism is...

667 posted on 10/07/2005 9:11:57 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: thoughtomator

Judge Bork would know a disastrous nomination. His was quite a success! Who did we get as a result of Bork's disastrous on every level nomination???????????????


775 posted on 10/08/2005 5:01:08 AM PDT by petitfour
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