Posted on 10/13/2005 10:08:23 AM PDT by Coleus
I smell ozone... ZOT!
Perhaps for some but not the vocal homosexual activists. The link DirtyHarryY2K provided demonstrates a definite agenda.
Indeed there are - some of them are on this forum. And we have some ex-gay conservatives as well.
"Pride parades are at least happy and, more important, pretty, and it's makes for a refreshing ONCE-A-YEAR break from all the ugliness in the world, some of which ugliness includes things like the original post"
Oh, it's so pretty seeing naked men with giant fake phalluses humping each other in public! It's so sweet seeing men dressed up as nuns with the same gear acting out real or faux sex acts! And how charming, seeing men wearing nothing but chains, leather chaps and jockstraps, leading little boys around on chains!
Pretty, and happy too!!
You are lying, you are not conservative, and neither are your friends. I wonder if you know all their names? The above figures are accurate and many of them are taken from homosexual researchers and publications.
If you think that FR was a good place to promote the "gay" agenda, you are about to find out that you were mistaken.
Buh Bye!
Another one bites the dust.
Writhe in peace.
There are other very suspect statistics in this piece: for example, the claim that the average homosexual man dies at 42 years. This is flat out wrong; this claim was originally made by the discredited researcher Paul Cameron, who based his results on obituaries printed in gay publications with a young readership, a research method with an obvious flaw. The truth is represented by a study that was done in Ontario recently: the average homosexual has between 7 and 20 years cut off their life expentancy (so they will probably live until their late 50s on average). This compares, by the way, with the statistics for heavy smokers, who also lose 20 years of life expectancy.
It's too bad some of them can't stick to the facts and forget about all the misrepresentation. Perhaps I'm asking too much...
One thing I've learned, you cannot have a rational debate with a homosexual activist. just like Progressive's post # 100, all you'll get from them is - Bla, Bla, Bla, Bla, etc, etc......
ProgressiveConservative, you are No Christian and Jesus did NOT issue ONE Commandment. He told us to OBEY and FOLLOW the original 10 commandments and issued two more beyond that. Next time read your bible and stop going to satan's church.
"Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; A blessing, if you obey the commandments of the Lord your God, which I command you this day: And a curse, if you will not obey the commandments of the Lord your God" (Deuteronomy 11:24-28).
"All his commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness" (Psalm 111:7-8).
“Jesus said, I have not come to bring peace, but the sword.” (Matt. 10:34)
"If you love me, keep my commandments," John 14:15. "
In the book of Exodus, chapter 20, verses 1-17, God gave His commandments to men to obey and live by them, but what are we seeing today? Many say "I have Jesus Christ as my personal Savior." But when you ask them, "Do you keep God's Commandments?" they will simply say that the law or commandments have been nailed to the cross by our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. In contradiction to the above statement by many, we hear our Lord Jesus Christ say:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled," Matthew 5:17- 18.
"If you want to enter life, obey the commandments," MT:19:17
Jesus said:
"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 5:19).
"If you keep my commandments you shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love" (John 14:10).
You are my friends, if you do whatsoever I command you" (John 15:14).
"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city" (Revelation 22:14).
Deal with this, THE TRUTH
I concur, which is why I responded as I did. Arguing with an homosexual activist is easy - just start talking facts and their arguments wither away.
Meg - for some reason I just can't accept your word as absolute proof that Paul Cameron is "discredited", especially as I've read many threads in which Scripter has defeated such accusations, in detail. Is this a new discreditation?
Please cite references and explain your accusation. Your opinion just isn't enough to convince me.
There are other very suspect statistics in this piece: for example, the claim that the average homosexual man dies at 42 years.
I believe you are referring to Cameron's 1994 study, which was supported by the International Journal of Epidemiology here: Modelling the impact of HIV disease on mortality in gay and bisexual men
Cameron's 2005 study: Gay obituaries closely track officially reported deaths from AIDS can be read in the scientific journal, Psychological Reports (2005;96:693-697).
From here:
The Washington Blade, a homosexual newspaper, has been the major gay paper used to track gay obituaries. So its obituaries for death due to AIDS were compared to AIDS deaths among males who had sex with males from the CDC for 1994 through 2000. Surprisingly, there was almost perfect correspondence. The effects of the new drug cocktails for AIDS were evident in both datasets. In 1994 the CDC put the average age of death by AIDS for gays at 39, the Blade at 40. By 2000, the CDC reported the median age of death at 43 and the Blade at 42. Similar correspondences were noted for the 25th and 75th centiles of deaths.Informed folks know that the homosexual lifestyle is anything but healthy. Checkout my profile for pointers to years of articles on the health hazards of the homosexual lifestyle.
No, this does not support Cameron. Cameron claimed that the average homosexual male dies at age 42 even if AIDS is not the cause of death, and that the average homosexual male dies at age 39 if AIDS is included. The article you have linked to indicates: "CONCLUSION: In a major Canadian centre, life expectancy at age 20 years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 20 years less than for all men." (It also indicates that these numbers are based on statistics collected between 1987 and 1992.) These numbers are at least 12 years more than Cameron's numbers.
Please note I am not arguing that homosexuality is healthy. It certainly is not: the epidemiologists have made that very plain. My concern here is that we should not rely on Cameron. It makes us look bad.
If these facts are in dispute, I would be grateful for clarification. Meanwhile, I would steer clear of Cameron -- he makes us look bad.
Cameron claimed that the average homosexual male dies at age 42 even if AIDS is not the cause of death, and that the average homosexual male dies at age 39 if AIDS is included.
What is your source for the above? I'm not saying it's wrong I just want to know where you got the information and if the source provides the complete study. Also, what does the rest of the study say and how is that different from the IJE study?
My concern here is that we should not rely on Cameron. It makes us look bad.
Why should we not rely on Cameron? I need specifics and not something that originated from Sullivan or Pietrzyk.
I thought you might be referring to this. Cameron did not have his APA membership stripped. He resigned in good standing on November 7, 1982. His resignation was accepted on November 28, 1982 by William Preston of the APA. Preston said he was sorry to hear about the resignation and asked why he was resigning. This is not the story you hear from Sullivan and Pietrzyk.
Cameron has also been accused of misrepresentations by a US District Court judge in a written opinion.
You're talking about Judge Buchmeyer who was repudiated by the full Circuit Court for misrepresenting Paul Cameron.
What I think makes us look bad is that some of us believe the misrepresentations of Paul Cameron without bothering to check them out.
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