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...though Vinson does note that fruits and vegetables are more nutritious sources....

ahh, you have to love the incredible scientific minds

1 posted on 10/16/2005 7:15:02 AM PDT by Flavius
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To: Flavius

Ok, but what about CHOCOLATE!


2 posted on 10/16/2005 7:17:51 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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who did this study - the coffee sellers association of America?

What about green tea?

Coffee causes road rage. That study I did myself...

What study is next?


3 posted on 10/16/2005 7:19:52 AM PDT by InsureAmerica (Evil? I have many words for it. We are as dust, to them. - v v putin)
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Funding for these studies was provided by the NCA & ICA ?


6 posted on 10/16/2005 7:23:36 AM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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Sleeper
8 posted on 10/16/2005 7:27:23 AM PDT by samtheman
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Yeah, and with the government school systems forcing it down our kid's throats (literally and figuratively) homosexual sex has HUGE health benefits. Why it only takes 30 years off of your life, on average, while smoking takes a few years off, if that.
13 posted on 10/16/2005 7:39:38 AM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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When I was a child and wanted to drink coffee with my parents, they told me that if kids drank coffee it would make them short and brown. I haven't seen any studies on this so I think they just didn't want to share.


14 posted on 10/16/2005 7:40:57 AM PDT by Ditter
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Read the book Caffeine Blues and then decide. A real eyeopener...
15 posted on 10/16/2005 7:42:00 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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"10 Health Benefits of Coffee"

The obvious downside - - coffee impairs your math ability. I count at the most 7 health benefits.

18 posted on 10/16/2005 7:45:58 AM PDT by Liberty Wins (Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
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Life used to be better before Starbucks replaced the corner tavern.


19 posted on 10/16/2005 7:46:31 AM PDT by spanalot
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I didn't need a study to tell me that coffee is one of God's greatest inventions.


20 posted on 10/16/2005 7:47:19 AM PDT by Glenn (What I've dared, I've willed; and what I've willed, I'll do!)
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22 posted on 10/16/2005 7:55:30 AM PDT by dfwgator (Flower Mound, TX)
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Coffee is also a good substitute for Viagra. It will keep you up all night.


30 posted on 10/16/2005 8:04:40 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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Coffee actually may have a calming effect...

DAMMIT!!!

34 posted on 10/16/2005 8:09:57 AM PDT by Nachum
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It's good for some and not good for others. Personally, I've cut down on coffee a lot and stopped a few times. I have a history of fibroids and ought not to be drinking any at all.


35 posted on 10/16/2005 8:09:59 AM PDT by cyborg (I'm on the 24 plan having the best day ever.)
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Here are some reviews of the book Caffeine Blues on Amazon:

Informative with SCIENTIFIC PROOF, August 20, 2005
Reviewer: Brian Beene (OKC, OK USA) - See all my reviews

This book rocked my world. I was addicted to caffeine for years and stopped cold turkey after reading this book. I really do feel better, like I can think clearer. To those who bash this book, quit being in denial that your addiction is controlling you. There is another book that preaches the gifts that caffeine gives you, but then gives NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF. Not only that, but it was written by an ADVERTISING COPY WRITER WHOSE CLIENTS INCLUDE SOME OF THE WORLDS LARGEST PHARMACEUTICAL FIRMS. If that's not tooting your own horn I don't know what is. My rose tinted glasses are off the the world is ugly and unappealing; so now i'm preaching the evils of caffeine! Thanx Mr. Cherniske =)

Reviewer: David R. Bess (Charleston, WV) - See all my reviews

Cherniske here makes a bold, spirited case for abstinence from caffeine. While some people may feel his tone is zealous to a fault, the truth of his words cannot be denied. Caffeine IS an addictive drug. Caffeine IS harmful for the body. Granted, there are many other things we consume that are harmful as well, but that does not negate the author's argument.

I have been a coffee lover for many years, but have been a believer in physical fitness and sensible nutrition for an even longer period of time. In the back of my mind I always have been aware of the perils of caffeine. This author has brought all those thoughts to the forefront. As a result, I am weaning myself off this harmful, yet widely accepted, substance.

Yes, pretty much everyone in our society drinks caffeine, blind to the dangers. Fifty years ago pretty much everyone in our society smoked tobacco, blind to the dangers. We've realized the dangers now of tobacco -- will the dangers of caffeine be the next great realization?

I highly recommend this book. I especially recommend it to people who have lives with high-stress and are mindlessly guzzling caffeine. Buy this title -- it will make you think, and will probably put you on the path to a much more serene existence.


Reviewer: Daniel Dean (Agawam, MA, United States) - See all my reviews

This was a very intriguing book. For a long time now, I've had a feeling that caffeine was not so good for you. I've been reading Men's Health magazine, regularly, and every issue seems to have two or three blurbs about why coffee is either bad or good for you. It seems like every study comes up with new evidence for one case or the another. Contradiction after contradiction.

So, I was dying for a good book to give me some facts. I saw this one in the library, and scooped it up. I tried to be open-minded and skeptical at the same time, as I usually do when I read one-sided books like this, but I really became alarmed as I turned more pages. What Cherniske has to say really rings true, so I followed his advice and gave up the bean, and as he promised, I felt MUCH better once my withdrawal pains eased off. The biggest improvements were in my energy level, and the quality of sleep. I felt fully alert and ready to go as soon as I woke up every morning- without a single cup!
The most compelling statement he makes is that it will take about eight weeks of no caffeine to truly feel the benefits of its absence. Then he asks, "What do you have to lose?" If after two months of no coffee you don't feel a lot better, go back to drinking it for all we care. However, you'll be amazed at how hard it is to quit caffeine for two months. After two or three days, you will get some really hairy headaches unless you wean yourself off it slowly. And just try to walk by a coffee shop or the flavored coffee display in the grocery store without getting the shakes as soon as that old familiar aroma hits you.

Anyway, if you try to quit, you'll have no doubt that this is one powerful drug, and when you get those headaches, you can feel how bad it must be for your body.

-The only problem I have with this book, is that it was published in 1998, and there is no updated version, or newer books on the subject, and even Cherniske's website hasn't been updated in ages. Meanwhile, I still see plenty of new pro-coffee research articles in health magazines and such, and I *still* get the cravings every now and then, and I have to wonder how bad could one cup be now and then, or every two days or so? My will power is beginning to buckle here, and I could use some positive reinforcement despite the benefits I've felt. The pressure is pretty strong!

How about it Steve? We need you to refute these new claims!

Reviewer: A reader
I have read every review by readers, and find that some people have thought out this question: "Am I an Addict?". Those who believe that "Caffeine Blues" is TOTALLY against caffeine didn't read it correctly.
In regards to health, it mentions that coffee and tea ARE powerful antioxicants...but, that it is so powerful that it also "flushes" your body of Essential Nutrients...Calcium Magnesium Potassium and Zinc being MAJOR ones. There are antioxidants like, Oligomeric Proanthocyanidins that are far better, and healthier.

I would also like to mention, that in this day of "increased knowledge" that there is a wealth of information available to anyone who wishes to learn about "natural healing" and health issues...so I wouldn't have cared if Cherniske didn't have "M.S." after his name; this book ROCKS! with information.

I could go on...but would just like to say that anyone who would defend caffeine with as much or MORE zeal, than Cherniske's opposition, might want to ask themselves, "why?". And, finally, the ADHD fellow...READ THE BOOK! and pay closer attention...the subject IS touched on...sugar and caffeine "crashes" can cause attention problems...O.K.? Oligomeric Proanthocyanidins would be a better choice.

If a product such a coffee substitutes change my life...I would probably sell them myself...even join a "down-line" in network marketing:), if that helps anyone.

The book has helped me, and he does challenge people to get off the bean for 2 months. What's the matter? CAN'T?

Reviewer: Deborah A. Woehr (San Jose, CA USA) - See all my reviews

Caffeine Blues has a wealth of information about the side affects, most of which I was experiencing. At the beginning is a checklist to see how addicted you are. In the next chapter, Cherniske explains the origins of caffeine, which was interesting. The majority of the book explains what caffeine does to the major organs of your body, including your brain and your cognitive thinking skills.
It took Cherniske 301 pages to say that caffeine is legalized speed. Yeah, no kidding. I tried to go turkey and fell flat on my face. Caffeine is a highly addictive drug, one which can produce severe withdrawals. He lists several alternatives to wean yourself off, such as weakening your coffee with milk. For the soda addicts, he suggests alternating every other can with caffeine-free soda, herbal drinks, or water. Plus he suggests Ginseng, Vitamin B-6, and St. John's Wort, among others to keep you alert. Exercise was another suggestion. With that, he warns the reader not to get out of breath because that will lower your blood sugar, thus making you more tired.

I have to say that this book was helpful, although I have to agreee with some of the other reviewers in that he seemed overzealous in his campaign against caffeine and its products. One cup of coffee or one can of soda per day isn't going to hurt you. But if you drink eight cups a day for 10+ years, yes, you will feel the effects.

I give this book three stars because it is well written and informative; however, I feel that the author spent way too much time brow-beating us to the point where I wondered if this wasn't some sort of political, Thought Police kind of ploy to incite a mass panic within the general public. While I would recommend this book, I would also read others in order to make an intelligent, educated choice about caffeine and its long-term effects.


41 posted on 10/16/2005 8:18:07 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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My heart double beats when I drink to much. I'm down to half a cup of "real" coffee mixed with decaf.


47 posted on 10/16/2005 8:55:30 AM PDT by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death.” - Al-Qaeda / Democratic Party)
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There is nothing better than having a cigarette and a cup of coffee while cleaning my gun so I can load up my SUV to go hunting....I think will bring my cell phone so I can catch up on a few phone calls while driving...."sarc".....
54 posted on 10/16/2005 10:22:34 AM PDT by Kimmers
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