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U.S. Ship In N. Korea (USS Pueblo) Get Her Back
The Washington Times ^ | 10/29/05 | Andrew Salmon

Posted on 10/29/2005 7:35:16 PM PDT by takbodan

PYONGYANG, North Korea -- In the center of the North Korean capital floats a commissioned vessel of the U.S. Navy. The USS Pueblo, a spy ship captured by the North in 1968, is moored on a bank of the Daedong River. Despite quiet U.S. moves in recent years to secure its return, the vessel still functions as tourist attraction, trophy and symbol of anti-American struggle.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: northkorea; usn; usspueblo
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To: Myrddin

"The jackass who permitted the ship to leave in that condition worked across the desk from my dad at the Pentagon."

It must weigh hevily on his soul - we still have ships going out underarmed.


41 posted on 10/29/2005 8:33:35 PM PDT by Bobibutu
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To: Bobibutu

Oddly enough in that business, the men are the MOST expendable. They are easily replaced.


42 posted on 10/29/2005 8:33:59 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: cynicom

"I was all with Bucher...I just know what you are told."

Please expand ...


43 posted on 10/29/2005 8:36:16 PM PDT by Bobibutu
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To: Bobibutu

Did you read my post re the high line????


44 posted on 10/29/2005 8:37:09 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: Bobibutu
It must weigh hevily on his soul - we still have ships going out underarmed.

The guy who allowed it was promoted to captain. There were 3 stars in the office who could have intervened and did not.

45 posted on 10/29/2005 8:38:38 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: takbodan

46 posted on 10/29/2005 8:41:29 PM PDT by Bobalu (This is not the tag line you are looking for.....move along (waves hand))
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To: Bobibutu
Yeah - the nearest Carrier had all planes on deck armed with nukes - Duh.

The nearest Carrier wasn't anywhere near close enough to assist. It steamed at flank speed toward the area, but the Pueblo was already in a NK port, and the crew removed by the time the Carrier was on station.

47 posted on 10/29/2005 8:45:38 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: Myrddin

"The guy who allowed it was promoted to captain. There were 3 stars in the office who could have intervened and did not."

To quote someone else on FR - "Just Damn"


48 posted on 10/29/2005 8:46:40 PM PDT by Bobibutu
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To: cynicom
Long ago, one time we were guaranteed that if shot down in enemy territory, and survived, we would be snagged out on a high line. Now you know we bought that, don't you?

That approach might work for one or two guys with the physical prowess to get to an extraction point and tolerate the "thrill" of being whipped off the ground by a passing aircraft. It is a non-sequitur when an entire ship's crew is captured.

Francis Gary Powers didn't follow the prescribed procedure when his U-2 was shotdown. It's easy to second guess another man's choices when you aren't the party in the hot seat.

49 posted on 10/29/2005 8:47:28 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Bobibutu
Saving himself and the crew is not in the books. Nowhere.

The P3 crew that landed in China was a disgrace but were given medals. The aircraft commander is no longer in the Navy.

50 posted on 10/29/2005 8:50:04 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: ASA Vet

"The nearest Carrier wasn't anywhere near close enough to assist. It steamed at flank speed toward the area, but the Pueblo was already in a NK port, and the crew removed by the time the Carrier was on station."

Yeah - RGR - my memory is a bit fuzzy now days. But I still have a woodie over this incident.


51 posted on 10/29/2005 8:50:30 PM PDT by Bobibutu
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To: Myrddin
We were eleven. Do you think we bought into that program????

It is a job that has to be done, there are horrible risks, nevertheless there are people ready to do it.

52 posted on 10/29/2005 8:52:14 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: takbodan

Yeah, why not blow up the ship? It would be easy.


53 posted on 10/29/2005 8:54:10 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: An.American.Expatriate; ASA.Ranger; ASA Vet; Atigun; beyond the sea; BIGLOOK; ...
MI Ping - Thanks Biglook for the tip off.

ASA Vet was on duty in the SCIF when this went down. We all thought for sure we'd nuke North Korea. Off duty guys came to work on their own. For about 3 days we were running double crews.

54 posted on 10/29/2005 8:54:15 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: cynicom
The P3 crew that landed in China was a disgrace but were given medals. The aircraft commander is no longer in the Navy.

The crew destroyed all the classified equipment before landing. The most important assets on the flight were the operators who recognized the voices, accents and communications of the monitored parties. Equipment can be replaced.

55 posted on 10/29/2005 8:55:02 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: cynicom

"Saving himself and the crew is not in the books. Nowhere.
The P3 crew that landed in China was a disgrace but were given medals. The aircraft commander is no longer in the Navy."

I vote for the pilot to fly me anywhere after what he accomplished. And I understand your position - I agree - however when TSHTF we tend to do human things for survival vs the book.


56 posted on 10/29/2005 8:55:27 PM PDT by Bobibutu
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To: takbodan
Did a quick search on Google Earth. Looks like the North Koreans aren't trying to hide it anymore. Those of you who have this program, go to North Korea and double click on P'yongyang. You will zoom in on the center of town and just to the right of the symbol you clicked on is a long, military looking ship moored on the river bank. This would seem to match up with the description in the article.
57 posted on 10/29/2005 8:58:07 PM PDT by Reaganesque
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To: cynicom

"It is a job that has to be done, there are horrible risks, nevertheless there are people ready to do it."

My God - and I bow down to each and every one and all - every day.


58 posted on 10/29/2005 8:59:43 PM PDT by Bobibutu
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To: cynicom
We were eleven. Do you think we bought into that program????

Reference for we? Which program?

59 posted on 10/29/2005 9:00:13 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Bobibutu
There were many that followed orders and were shot down over water, they were listed as missing on a routine TRAINING mission. No medals nothing. Not even acknowledgment of what they had done.

Their devotion to duty is cheapened by those that "saved" themselves and their aircraft or ship.

60 posted on 10/29/2005 9:00:27 PM PDT by cynicom
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