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Pastor electrocuted during baptism [Texas]
Sydney Morning Herald ^ | October 31, 2005 | AP

Posted on 10/30/2005 5:51:37 PM PST by aculeus

A US pastor performing a baptism was electrocuted inside his Texas church when he grabbed a microphone while partially submerged, a church employee said.

The Reverend Kyle Lake, 33, was standing in water up to his shoulder in a baptismal in front of 800 people at University Baptist Church when he was electrocuted yesterday, said Jamie Dudley, a church business administrator.

Doctors in the congregation unsuccessfully performed chest compressions for 40 minutes, Dudley said.

The woman Lake was baptising was not injured, Dudley said.

Pastors at University Baptist Church routinely use a microphone during baptisms, Dudley said.

"He was grabbing the microphone so everyone could hear," Dudley said.

"It's the only way you can be loud enough."

About 800 people attended the morning service, which was larger than normal because it was homecoming weekend at nearby Baylor University, Dudley said.

Lake, who had a wife and three children, had been at the church for nine years, the last seven as pastor, Dudley said.

AP


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: baptism; electrifying; electrocution; ieee; kylelake; nesc; pastor; thelordcalledhimhome; waco; wrathofgod
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To: Revolting cat!

Posting "condolences for the family, to me just means a sign of respect and that someone cares.


101 posted on 10/30/2005 7:32:29 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Or vice versa, if the metal object was electrified from leakage.

Uh, I had Electricity 101 but I can't read your mind. Please explain.

102 posted on 10/30/2005 7:32:31 PM PST by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: RebaJ

ping


103 posted on 10/30/2005 7:34:02 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: savedbygrace

I read somewhere, decades ago that the smallest voltage for which an accidental electrocution has been encountered, is somewhere around 24 volts. If the mike was fed with a 48 volt source having sufficient current capability, and maybe water dribbling off the man's hand trickled down to touch such an energized conductor, that could lead to a heart stopping zap.


104 posted on 10/30/2005 7:34:07 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: savedbygrace
The only power going to a microphone should be +48V DC, referred to as phantom power. Would that kill someone?

It is very possible that the 120vac got onto the mike, but yes, 48vdc can kill under the right circumstances. OTOH, one can hold onto 120vac and not be hurt if one is careful.

105 posted on 10/30/2005 7:35:30 PM PST by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: Candor7
Perhaps foul play may not have been ruled out yet.

Foul play? More like demonic possession. Satan did not want this woman baptized!

106 posted on 10/30/2005 7:35:47 PM PST by Between the Lines (Be careful how you live your life, it may be the only gospel anyone reads.)
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To: Between the Lines

There isn't any supernatural component to Maxwell's equations.


107 posted on 10/30/2005 7:37:23 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: aculeus
Inquiring minds want to know: What do these preachers wear during such ceremonies? Wet suits, swim trunks or the ever popular bikinis for men?


108 posted on 10/30/2005 7:40:02 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: LibertarianInExile
I had a relative who dropped dead suddenly and unexpectedly, while feeling fine, in mid-sentence, talking on the phone (berry aneurysm). Now she knew how to check out.
109 posted on 10/30/2005 7:40:43 PM PST by Savage Beast (The internet is the newspaper of record.)
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To: DJ Taylor
I would even go so far as to bet that the electrical system in this church was designed with Ground Fault Interrupters (GFI) to handle this type of use.

As a live sound engineer, I thought I should try to clear a few things up. First of all, a microphone is typically wired directly to the input of a mixing console, via a snake (bundled microphone cables) or in-wall microphone cables. The microphone goes to the console, not to a wall outlet. The current that electrocuted the pastor was almost certainly 48-volt "phantom power". Phantom power is sent from the mixing console to power certain types of microphones (condensers). This is typically switchable on mixers - you can turn phantom power on or off. Most handheld vocal microphones are "dynamic" microphones and do not have any need for phantom power. But most low- and mid-cost mixers only allow switching of phantom power "globally" - meaning for all channels (microphones) at the same time, rather than the more expensive option of switching "per channel". So if -any- of the church's microphones require phantom power, it would have been turned on, and likely turned on to -all- microphones. Normally this is not a problem, as dynamic microphones simply ignore the phantom power. It can, however, be a danger in certain situations.

For example, if the sound system had a 60 hertz "ground loop" hum problem, one (unsafe) solution is to put "ground lift" devices on power cables at the wall outlet. These are the little grey plugs which take a three-prong (grounded) plug and turn it into a two-prong (ungrounded) plug. It sometimes fixes a hum problem, but it removes the chassis (safety) ground from the equipment to which it is attached. Combine a missing ground, 48V phantom power, and a pastor holding a microphone while standing in water, and you can end up with a problem.

110 posted on 10/30/2005 7:43:13 PM PST by xjcsa (The Kyoto Protocol is about as futile as sending seven maids with seven mops to rid a beach of sand)
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To: xjcsa
So if -any- of the church's microphones require phantom power, it would have been turned on, and likely turned on to -all- microphones.

Or someone just randomly had the switch turned to that setting - if as you say it's harmless to mikes that don't need the power.

If the ground of the system actually wasn't connected to ground at all as you suggest possible, whence would the current loop be completed?

111 posted on 10/30/2005 7:48:42 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: Revolting cat!

Mine wears ordinary washable pants.


112 posted on 10/30/2005 7:49:40 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: HiTech RedNeck
'Course, if the preacher were female, you'd hope she was wearing a wet T-shirt.


113 posted on 10/30/2005 7:51:50 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Well , a lot of them will probably be wearing waders now.


114 posted on 10/30/2005 7:51:57 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: savedbygrace; The Electrician; wirestripper; wireman
48 volts dc is standard telephone voltage, 90 volts AC gets you a ring. Most muni's around the country require a licensed electrician for anything overy 50 volts. What does this mean? It is normally the point people start taking power into serious consideration. Still, lot's of people think they are experts at things they know nothing about.

Now this is where it gets scary, and you have to have to have gut instinct as to the proper selection of contractors to hire...where it's not about money but credibility. Most trained electrician's are competent and credible, unfortunately we have a few that make lawyer jokes look like jokes about saints.

My gut feeling tells me there is a lot more here going on than meets the eye, but to be fair, I'd have to be part of the investigating team. My bet is that either it was wired wrong from the "last improvement" or was never rigth in the first place. Second place I'd be considering is the grounding. Just some educated guesses without being there.
115 posted on 10/30/2005 7:52:15 PM PST by Issaquahking (Americans defending the homeland....a job an illegal alien will NEVER do....)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Or someone just randomly had the switch turned to that setting - if as you say it's harmless to mikes that don't need the power.

If the ground of the system actually wasn't connected to ground at all as you suggest possible, whence would the current loop be completed?

I'm no electrician, just a sound guy, but I'll give it a crack...

I -think- that if the mixer's ground is properly connected, that safety ground also protects the microphone. Like a power cord, a microphone cord contains three conductors, and they are hot, neutral, and ground. So normally the unused phantom power returns to the mixer via the ground wire, and this would be a shorter path to ground than through a person. If this path is removed, it's looking for a path to ground, and a person holding the microphone and standing in water, complete with metal drains and/or lights, heaters, etc., may become the shortest path to ground.

As for having phantom power on without needing it, that is entirely possible. If they run a "contemporary" service (full band), though, it is likely that they are using at least one or two condenser microphones that require phantom power.

116 posted on 10/30/2005 7:55:55 PM PST by xjcsa (The Kyoto Protocol is about as futile as sending seven maids with seven mops to rid a beach of sand)
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To: theDentist

This young pastor was performing a most sacred act, that which even Jesus did to please his father, baptism.

For you to invoke the trite Darwin nominee phrase is beyond the pale.

God will not be mocked. I, for your sake, hope that you will reflect upon your post.


117 posted on 10/30/2005 8:01:40 PM PST by Hilltop
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To: netmilsmom
Love your tagline! "To Serve Man" right?

Great catch. Have we ever done a Twilight Zone thread here? That guy was so far ahead of his time, it's incredible.

118 posted on 10/30/2005 8:06:29 PM PST by lawnguy (It works Napoleon, you don't even know.)
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To: LibertarianInExile; All
It is threads like this -- and comments like yours -- that make me really proud to be a FReeper...

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To make sure my meaning is perfectly clear, highlight the above line (between the ... ...s)

119 posted on 10/30/2005 8:13:10 PM PST by TXnMA (Iraq & Afghanistan: Bush's "Bug-Zappers"...)
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To: Revolting cat!

Some wear hip waders like duck hunters use.


120 posted on 10/30/2005 8:19:59 PM PST by PAR35
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