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Iranian Alert - October 31, 2005 - Ayatollah Khamenei defends 'wiping out Israel' remarks
Regime Change Iran ^ | 10/31/05 | freedom44

Posted on 10/30/2005 7:33:21 PM PST by freedom44


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Financial Times

Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, on Sunday night condemned international reaction to last week’s speech by President Mahmoud Ahmadi-Nejad calling for Israel to be “wiped off the map”.

In remarks reported by state media, Ayatollah Khamenei said the “leaders of the west and Europe should be ashamed of being so much under the influence of Zionists”

But recognising the furore sparked by Mr Ahmadi-Nejad’s remarks, he also warned officials against “negligence vis-à-vis the enemy”.

Ayatollah Khamenei rejected any link between Mr Ahmadi-Nejad’s speech and Iran’s nuclear programme. “Nuclear weapons cannot be employed to destroy regimes, rather the Palestinian people’s resistance will lead to the Israeli regime being overthrown,” he said

Mr Khamenei was speaking for the first time since Mr Ahmadi-Nejad’s controversial speech, but he reflected a general attempt by Iranian officials to deflect international criticism.

But as Tehran stressed continuity in its foreign policy, Mr Ahmadi-Nejad attacked European governments – with whom Iran says it wants to restart talks over its nuclear programme – for “lying”.

Speaking to members of the Basij Islamic militia on Sunday, Mr Ahmadi-Nejad said the Europeans’ aim was to deprive Iran of the nuclear fuel cycle.

“This government has concluded the confidence-building claimed by [some] countries is a lie,” he said, referring to requests for guarantees over the peaceful nature of Tehran’s atomic programme.

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1 posted on 10/30/2005 7:33:22 PM PST by freedom44
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To: freedom44
The Supreme Leader is attempting damage control. I don't think its helping the regime's image.

("Denny Crane: Gun Control? For Communists. She's a liberal. Can't hunt.")

2 posted on 10/30/2005 7:35:30 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: freedom44

Why is Iran still a member of the UN?

Could it be.....payoffs?

I'm being facetious, I'm sure the UN is in bed with Iran - they're in bed with all terrorists and supporting nations.


3 posted on 10/30/2005 7:44:02 PM PST by wvobiwan (Proud Minuteman Project Volunteer - Secure borders, illegals OUT!)
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To: freedom44
When I said "wipe them from the face of the map", I meant it in a good way...
4 posted on 10/30/2005 7:48:35 PM PST by Reaganesque
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To: freedom44

Ping to you my friend... keep up the fight.

I often see your posts, some days they go by with little replies.

Please know that the domino effect of information is huge, and spreading the info for those that are intersted touches many more than you may know.

Please keep it up until Iran is free.


5 posted on 10/30/2005 7:53:31 PM PST by FreedomNeocon (I'm in no Al-Samood for this Shi'ite.)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife; fat city; freedom44; Tamsey; Grampa Dave; PhiKapMom; McGavin999; Hinoki Cypress; ...
Join Us At Today's Iranian Alert Thread – The Most Underreported Story Of The Year!

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6 posted on 10/30/2005 8:54:21 PM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: freedom44

So I guess it wasn't a trial balloon after all!


7 posted on 10/30/2005 8:56:21 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: freedom44

Ok, everyone who's suprised go stand in the corner.


8 posted on 10/30/2005 9:00:28 PM PST by Valin (Purgamentum init, exit purgamentum)
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To: freedom44

Ahmadinejad's Israel Remarks Split Iran

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20051031/D8DIQAH80.html


Oct 31, 12:01 AM (ET)

By ALI AKBAR DAREINI


TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - Pro-democracy reformers denounced Iran's hard-line president Sunday for calling for Israel's annihilation, saying it harmed the country's international standing.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Wednesday that Israel is a "disgraceful blot" that should be "wiped off the map," prompting international condemnation and an Israeli demand Iran be expelled from the United Nations.

On Sunday, Ahmadinejad said his comments represented Iran's long-standing policy toward the Jewish state enunciated by the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who led the 1979 revolution, the Islamic Republic News Agency, or IRNA, said.

"These words are the same ones that the late Imam (Khomeini) said," Ahmadinejad said, explaining that he only added one sentence about "the powers of arrogance," seen as a reference to the United States. Iran does not recognize the existence of Israel and Khomeini had repeatedly called for its destruction.





But former reformist president Mohammad Khatami criticized Ahmadinejad, saying "those words have created hundreds of political and economic problems for us in the world," IRNA said.

It was the first time in a quarter century that there was a clear-cut rift over a major policy position drawn up by Khomeini.

"Ahmadinejad's remarks harmed Iran. It was irresponsible and illogical," said Rajabali Mazrouei, a prominent reformer and former deputy. "We can't be more extremist than Palestinians themselves."

Morad Veisi, a leading political analyst, said it was the first time that an Iranian head of state was openly calling for the destruction of Israel.

"Khomeini was a spiritual leader, not head of government. Ahmadinejad apparently is not even familiar with the world of politics," he said.

Extremists, however, were motivated by Ahmadinejad's remarks. About 300 men and women turned up Sunday at the offices of the Headquarters for Commemorating Martyrs of the Global Islamic Movement to volunteer for suicide bomb attacks against Israel.

A spokesman for the group said it had signed up more than 45,000 volunteers to undergo training for suicide attacks since it began recruiting in June 2004.

"More than 1000 of them have already been trained. Many of them don't need training since they are already members of the elite Revolutionary Guards and paramilitary Basij forces," Mohammad Ali Samadi said.

Several senior officials, including presidential adviser Mojtaba Rahmandoust and Parliamentary speaker Gholam Ali Haddad Adel, were at the gathering.

"The Iranian nation wants this regime removed from the world map," Rahmandoust told the gathering held at a building owned by the semiofficial Martyr Foundation.

In London, Britain said Iran poses a challenge to the international community, citing the call to wipe out Israel and charging Tehran was involved in the Iraqi insurgency and had nuclear weapons ambitions.

"Iran has to change its behavior in terms of support for terrorism, in deceit over nuclear weapons and in terms of its relationship and threats to other members of the international community," British Defense Secretary John Reid told the British Broadcasting Corporation on Sunday.

Reid said Iran appeared to be trying to confront the international community, which is considering how to respond.

Reid said he did not have conclusive proof that the Iranian government was involved in providing weapons to insurgents in Iraq. But he said there was evidence of the involvement of Iranian elements in the Iraqi insurgency.


9 posted on 10/30/2005 9:08:07 PM PST by Valin (Purgamentum init, exit purgamentum)
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To: freedom44
Iranians should kill these mullah nutjobs soon, or they better start digging very deep bomb shelters.

Some of us take threats like this very seriously.

Any more garbage like this and the message will be clear:

NUKE IRAN BEFORE IRAN CAN NUKE ANYONE.
10 posted on 10/30/2005 9:34:39 PM PST by Yehuda ("Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!" (Choke on it, pinkos!))
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To: DoctorZIn

He should be turbanated..


11 posted on 10/30/2005 9:51:35 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: freedom44
Unfortunately for the freedom seeking Iranians and with the many saber rattling threads being posted here recently, it appears that the current regime is not only arrogant but is looking to get it's nose bloodied severely. Personally, I believe that it will happen and it will not be pretty.
12 posted on 10/30/2005 9:52:05 PM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: NY Attitude
Who will bloody their nose? Us? Bush won't do that. He is afraid the MSM will vilify him. Oh sure, they already do that every day, but for some reason he is afraid of them.

As for Iran. Brute force is all they understand. They are 1930's Germany right now. The longer we wait, the stronger they get.

13 posted on 10/30/2005 9:57:20 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Republic of Texas

Most likely Israel.


14 posted on 10/30/2005 9:59:40 PM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: NY Attitude

They can bloody their nose, but they cannot defeat Iran in a (conventional) war. A bloody nose would lead to that war.


15 posted on 10/30/2005 10:01:34 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Republic of Texas
During the Yom Kippur war, the Israelis kicked the combined asses of the those in the Middle East. Since that time they have gotten stronger and obtained more sophisticated weaponry.
16 posted on 10/30/2005 10:07:10 PM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: NY Attitude

I know they would hurt Iran greatly, but Iran wasn't involved in those wars, and Iran is much more powerful than those Arab countries. It would be a devastating stalemate, technology and training vs. manpower, and Israel could win, but they also could lose. Then it's Samson time.


17 posted on 10/30/2005 10:10:26 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Republic of Texas

With Iran offering bounties to those to attack Israel, Israel just may take it upon themselves to eliminate a big part of enemy. I do believe this that Israel is not afraid to use nuclear weapons to survive.


18 posted on 10/30/2005 10:19:22 PM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: NY Attitude

I agree with that. They don't have the luxury as opposed to those that judge them so harshly.


19 posted on 10/30/2005 10:29:19 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: NY Attitude

By threatening Israel, I think they were trying to do what Saddam tried in '91: change the subject. Didn't work then, won't help matters for the current Iranian regime now (although it won't necessarily hurt it either, given U.S. reluctance to take on these cavemen).


20 posted on 10/30/2005 11:04:56 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: Reaganesque

Lol "I don't mean that in a bad way" Lol


21 posted on 10/31/2005 5:42:21 AM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: dr_who_2
The current Iranian regime is full of terrorists and to placate them is counterproductive to the survival of Israel and maybe the ME. Should a nuclear war were to break out the entire ME would be effected. If Israel were to do a preemptive strike, it would do so in the near future as from what I have surmised in reading various journal and such, Iran does not yet have the nuclear weapons it so desires.
22 posted on 10/31/2005 6:01:03 AM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: DoctorZIn; All

I received this email a couple of days ago. If anyone here can dispute its contents, I'd like to hear it. If it truly is factual, everyone please pass it along to your friends and family.

And I'm sorry in advance for the length!

SHITTY LITTLE COUNTRY

The Middle East has been growing date palms for centuries. The average tree is about 18-20 feet tall and yields about 38 pounds of dates a year.

Israeli date trees are now yielding 400 pounds/year and are short enough to be harvested from the ground or a short ladder.

Israel the 100th smallest country, with less than 1/1000th of the world's population, can lay claim to the following:

The cell phone was developed in Israel by Israelis working in the Israeli branch of Motorola, which has its largest development center in Israel.

Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were developed by Microsoft-Israel.
The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel.

Both the Pentium-4 microprocessor and the Centrino processor were entirely designed, developed and produced in Israel.

The Pentium microprocessor in your computer was most likely made in Israel.
Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.

Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside the US in Israel.
The technology for the AOL Instant Messenger ICQ was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis.

Israel has the fourth largest air force in the world (after the U.S, Russia and China). In addition to a large variety of other aircraft, Israel's air force has an aerial arsenal of over 250 F-16's. This is the largest fleet of F-16 aircraft outside of the U. S.

Israel's $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined.
Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home computers per capita.

According to industry officials, Israel designed the airline industry's most impenetrable flight security. US officials now look (finally) to Israel for advice on how to handle airborne security threats.

Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population in the world.
Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin - 109 per 10,000 people --as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.

In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of startup companies in the world. In absolute terms, Israel has the largest number of startup companies than any other country in the world, except the U.S. (3,500 companies mostly in hi-tech).
With more than 3,000 high-tech companies and startups, Israel has the highest concentration of hi-tech companies in the world -- apart from the Silicon Valley, U.S.
Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital funds right behind the U.S.
Outside the United States and Canada, Israel has the largest number of NASDAQ listed companies.

Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East.The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK.

On a per capita basis, Israel has the largestnumber of biotech startups.

Twenty-four per cent of Israel's workforce holds university degrees, ranking third in the industrialized world, after the United States and Holland and 12 per cent hold advanced degrees.

Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.

In 1984 and 1991, Israel airlifted a total of 22,000 Ethiopian Jews (Operation Solomon) at Risk in Ethiopia, to safety in Israel.

When Golda Meir was elected Prime Minister of Israel in 1969, she became the world's second elected female leader in modern times.

When the U. S. Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya was bombed in 1998, Israeli rescue teams were on the scene within a day -- and saved three victims from the rubble.

Israel has the third highest rate of entrepreneurship -- and the highest rate among women and among people over 55 - in the world.

Relative to its population, Israel is the largest immigrant-absorbing nation on earth. Immigrants come in search of democracy, religious freedom, and economic opportunity. (Hundreds of thousands from the former Soviet Union)

Israel was the first nation in the world to adopt the Kimberly process, an international standard that certifies diamonds as "conflict free."

Israel has the world's second highest per capita of new books.

Israel is the only country in the world that entered the 21st century with a net gain in its number of trees, made more remarkable because this was achieved in an area considered mainly desert.

Israel has more museums per capita than any other country.

Medicine... Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized, no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer.

An Israeli company developed a computeriz ed system for ensuring proper administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. Every year in U. S. hospitals 7,000 patients die from treatment mistakes.

Israel's Given Imaging developed the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used to view the small intestine from the inside, cancer and digestive disorders.
Researchers in Israel developed a new device that directly helps the heart pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives among those with heart failure. The new device is synchronized with the camera helps doctors diagnose heart?s mechanical operations through a sophisticated system of sensors.

Israel leads the world in the number of scientists and technicians in the workforce, with 145 per 10,000, as opposed to 85 in the U. S., over 70 in Japan, and less than 60 in Germany. With over 25% of its work force employed in technical professions. Israel places first in this category as well.

A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the Clear Light device, produces a high-intensity, ultraviolet-light-free, narrow-band blue light that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct -- all without damaging surrounding skin or tissue.

An Israeli company was the first to develop and install a large-scale solar-powered and fully functional electricity generating plant, in southern California's Mojave desert.

All the above while engaged in regular wars with an implacable enemy that seeks its destruction, and an economy continuously under strain by having to spend more per capita on its own protection than any other county on earth.

. .. . . AND THE FRENCH AMBASSADOR IN ENGLAND SAYS :
"ISRAEL IS NOTHING BUT A SHITTY LITTLE COUNTRY"


23 posted on 10/31/2005 6:09:25 PM PST by Humidston (TX, don't believe bogus phone call lies! Vote YES on Amendment 2!!!)
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To: NY Attitude
Preemptive nuclear strike?
24 posted on 10/31/2005 6:18:56 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: freedom44
To read today’s thread click here.

Join Us At Today's Iranian Alert Thread – The Most Underreported Story Of The Year!

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25 posted on 10/31/2005 6:54:23 PM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: dr_who_2

Considering the distance to be covered to Iran and the possible allies of the Iranians, why not, if your country's survival is at stake?


26 posted on 10/31/2005 7:55:53 PM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: freedom44

"Nuclear weapons cannot be employed to destroy regimes, rather the Palestinian people’s resistance will lead to the Israeli regime being overthrown,” he said "

Khamenei is trying to weasel his way out.
The Islamofascist really do not care about the "Palestinians". The "Palestinians" have been pawns, expendible cannon fodder, used by the Islamofascists in their war against Israel.


27 posted on 11/01/2005 5:09:26 AM PST by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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