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You know you're in trouble when your defense consists of claiming that the documents can't be 'easily dismissed' as forgeries.

So, what, instead of the 30 minutes it took the blogosphere, it would really require a few hours of work to conclude the docs were fake?

Other than learning that Mary cried and that she thinks Thornburgh is full of it, what do we learn other than that even Mapes herself can't bring herself to claim that the documents are forgeries?

1 posted on 11/01/2005 2:48:58 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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Mary Mapes and Al Gore to star in "I coulda been a contender" - on the waterfront 2


33 posted on 11/01/2005 3:13:59 AM PST by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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TRUtH

36 posted on 11/01/2005 3:14:44 AM PST by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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A crying towel for another pimp of the election industry!


40 posted on 11/01/2005 3:18:17 AM PST by leprechaun9
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-60 Minutes to Infamy- those forged memos and The Shot Heard Round the World--
41 posted on 11/01/2005 3:20:33 AM PST by backhoe
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Hey Mary: Boo frickity hoo!


42 posted on 11/01/2005 3:20:52 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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"Suspected liberals had become the new 'Communists..."

Suspected conservatives have become the new 'Nazis...
43 posted on 11/01/2005 3:21:40 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Ham & Eggs: A day's work for a hen, A lifetime commitment for a pig.)
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Courage Mary... courage.


45 posted on 11/01/2005 3:21:45 AM PST by johnny7 (“What now? Let me tell you what now.”)
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She writes that what she didn't know at the time was that the attack on the "60 Minutes" piece was just part of the Bushites "sliming" of those who raised questions about the president.

  I didn't really think of it as an attack at the time. It was such a blatant forgery that we were just having fun with it. Like the Microsoft Talking Paper Clip (Clippy) saying I see you're trying to forge a military document... you might like to (1) use a font consistent with the time period of the document you are attempting to forge... (2)... That was a funny one! Who thought of that one?
48 posted on 11/01/2005 3:23:35 AM PST by Maurice Tift
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Stupid is as stupid does.

Or:

Stuck on Stupid!

Take your pick.


49 posted on 11/01/2005 3:24:23 AM PST by raybbr
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The December article, not yet generally available, is an excerpt from Mapes' soon-to-be-publihsed book, "Truth and Duty" (St. Martin's) on her career and the episode often called Rathergate. Vanity Fair says Mapes sets out to "answer her critics."

Just wondering if anyone at FR was contacted by Vanity Fair to dispute her side or is this just another one-sided media hit-piece? (I know, rhetorical question.)

56 posted on 11/01/2005 3:33:35 AM PST by Alissa
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"Suspected liberals had become the new 'Communists...What in the world would Edward R. Murrow think of his network now?"

After the Verona Papers, who gives a **** what Murrow would think?

58 posted on 11/01/2005 3:34:29 AM PST by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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Ms. Mapes response to:

"I must answer the bloggers, the babblers and blabbers, and the true believers who have called me everything from 'feminazi' to an 'elitist liberal' to an 'idiot.'

Includes the following statement:

She also calls one of the co-leaders of that probe, Dick Thornburgh, worse than an "empty suit...He was completely full if it."

Ms. Mapes appears to be a clone of Mr. Rather; both are a little slow on the uptake.

65 posted on 11/01/2005 3:44:26 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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I don't have a clue what these people would do if there had never been a Senator Joe McCarthy!! It all goes back to him. This woman is nuts, pure and simple.


67 posted on 11/01/2005 3:46:30 AM PST by Cricket24 ("We have met the enemy and it's the U.S. press (and the democrats and some Republicans)!")
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She claims that a researcher has since shown her typography on other documents from the period Bush was in the Guard that suggest that the memos she obtained can not be easily dismissed "as being forgeries."

Two words for you Missy Mopes...er, Mapes: Occam's Razor. In twelve minutes someone was able to produce documents identical to yours: character shape for character shape, superscript for superscript, kern for kern on equipment unavailable at the time. In twelve months all you've come up with are a few examples of typefaces that are SIMILAR, not identical, just similar, to what is in the documents.

Your argument would be strengthened immeasurably were you to reproduce those documents with contemporaneous equipment and describe how it was done. But, despite all the muscle of CBS and all the empathy of the liberal horde, you couldn't, could you? I'll bet money that folks like Michael Moore and George Soros offered private rewards to anyone who could.

When your pants have been yanked down and all the world has seen, I suppose a rest room is as good a place to cry as any.

68 posted on 11/01/2005 3:50:48 AM PST by laredo44 (Liberty is not the problem)
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In the upcoming December issue of Vanity Fair, Mary Mapes, the CBS News producer who lost her job after the disputed "60 Minutes II" Bush/National Guard report, writes, "I must answer the bloggers, the babblers and blabbers, and the true believers who have called me everything from 'feminazi' to an 'elitist liberal' to an 'idiot.'

Soembody called her a feminazi over the fake documents story? That doesn't even make sense. Lying again Marypoo?

72 posted on 11/01/2005 3:54:05 AM PST by laredo44 (Liberty is not the problem)
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"Suspected liberals had become the new 'Communists..."

New? Why does she think this is new? Haven't they always been a deep shade of pink?


75 posted on 11/01/2005 3:56:12 AM PST by Ike
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I'd be more sympathetic to the drama queen bit if any of it was true.

First, she's the person in a position of power -- and if 60 Minutes isn't the Power Bully of Television, there is no such thing as a bully. If Mapes has any doubt, let us have a large network show, and we'll give her a computer.

The reason we won was we were telling the truth and she was lying. Citizens at keyboards are David, not Goliath's.

Mapes was taken down for lying and using forged documents. Things she conveniently leaves out of her pity party.

In the old days 60 Minutes could take on any citizen, lie about them and get away with it. Those days are over. And Mapes needs to get over herself. The world has moved on...

76 posted on 11/01/2005 3:57:28 AM PST by GOPJ (Is every democrat a bent kneed Monica?)
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It is impossible to verify fax copies of documents are real. What is amazing is the forgeries were so bad you could easily conclude that fax copies were forgeries.


80 posted on 11/01/2005 4:00:38 AM PST by Always Right
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I went back and read this story again and this sentence really struck me....

"Mapes writes that she had felt the Guard segment was a big success after airing on Sept. 8, 2004, until the following morning at 11 a.m. when she learned that a bunch of "far-right" Web sites were claiming that documents were forged."

Big success? Is that what the press is supposed to do? Air stories that are big successes? Meaning what? That it would ruin George W. Bush's chance of re-election? Isn't the press supposed to report the true facts and let the people decide? What made her think it was a big success? How did she know so soon that it was a big success? Was it because it was all over the liberal MSM? She and Dan Blather really were trying to bring down this president. They are the slime balls. The so called MSM scares the hell out of me. Even Fox News has gone bad. Who can you trust anymore?


82 posted on 11/01/2005 4:03:38 AM PST by Cricket24 ("We have met the enemy and it's the U.S. press (and the democrats and some Republicans)!")
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So is the more Shilling for Socialists via Timmy Russert's (Go Bills) wife at Vanity Fair. That rag seems to be working overtime to salvage every chronically lying liberal around--Mapes--Wilson, etc.


84 posted on 11/01/2005 4:06:17 AM PST by rod1
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